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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: 1BADWILDCAT on February 22, 2009, 09:24:49 PM
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I am always amazed at the inferiority complex that some K-Staters have. K-State is viewed as a great place to coach. By all accounts, Coach Ludwig loved Manhattan and enjoyed working with Coach Snyder. However, some unforeseen circumstances made the Cal job more compelling. In four years, I had 3 different position coaches and I know other players at other universities that had a similar experience.
I do not post much, but I know for a fact that there was a solid reason for Coach Ludwig's departure and I will leave it at that. There is no reason for ad hominen attacks on Andy Ludwig and his character. I have several friends who coach at the D1 level and they say nothing but glowing things about Andy Ludwig. By the way, these friends also say nothing but glowing things about Coach Snyder. This should not be viewed as an indictment of Coach Snyder and the way he treats his assistants or the way the program is headed.
With Coach Prince, the departures of coaches was troubling because they all left due to the arrogance of the coach and not on friendly terms. Dave Brock may be a great coach, but how many of you could suffer through a demotion and remain on a staff or in a job? Where was his upside? He had a 2-year audition and Coach Snyder chose to go another direction. Case closed. I wish only the best for him and his family.
Coach Snyder has an ego like all of us, but he would never put himself above the program or his coaches. That is the difference between him and Ron Prince. Ron Prince was so riddled with self-doubt that he had to create a boastful and arrogant alter-ego to mask his insecurity. He was a fraud and his assistants knew it. Nobody wants to coach for a fraud. Part of being a successful coach is surrounding yourself with capable assistants whom you know and trust. Dana Dimel is a tireless recruiter and an excellent football coach. Del Miller is also a great coach. I have two children and if I ever lost one of them, I am not sure I could recover. Some of you may not have known that Coach Miller lost his son after a lengthy battle with cancer. After the Big 12 championship, Ell Roberson showed his class by shouting out to Coach Miller and telling him how much he missed him. The players absoultely loved him. The loss of his son took his desire away and I think he has got it back.
All coaches work long hours. Any coach who does not want to work for Coach Snyder is an idiot. In coaching circles he is mentioned along with Joe Paterno and Tom Osborne. That is lofty company and this honor is not bestowed upon many coaches. Coach Snyder has been known as a coach who will willingly and readily counsel any new coach who seeks his advice (see Urban Meyer). Coaches respect that and that does not go unnoticed. I can not wait for football season. This team will surprise some people. These kids have been poorly coached and guided for three years and that will no longer be the case. Coach Snyder may be 69, but there is no one and I repeat no one that I would rather have coaching this football team. :ksu: :kstatriot: :dancin: :runaway:
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who will be our qb
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Is there some hidden message in (Long)?
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who will be our qb
TIA :notworthy:
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what's the reason? who cares if it's legitimate or not.?
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I am always amazed at the inferiority complex that some K-Staters have. K-State is viewed as a great place to coach. By all accounts, Coach Ludwig loved Manhattan and enjoyed working with Coach Snyder. However, some unforeseen circumstances made the Cal job more compelling. In four years, I had 3 different position coaches and I know other players at other universities that had a similar experience.
I do not post much, but I know for a fact that there was a solid reason for Coach Ludwig's departure and I will leave it at that. There is no reason for ad hominen attacks on Andy Ludwig and his character. I have several friends who coach at the D1 level and they say nothing but glowing things about Andy Ludwig. By the way, these friends also say nothing but glowing things about Coach Snyder. This should not be viewed as an indictment of Coach Snyder and the way he treats his assistants or the way the program is headed.
With Coach Prince, the departures of coaches was troubling because they all left due to the arrogance of the coach and not on friendly terms. Dave Brock may be a great coach, but how many of you could suffer through a demotion and remain on a staff or in a job? Where was his upside? He had a 2-year audition and Coach Snyder chose to go another direction. Case closed. I wish only the best for him and his family.
Coach Snyder has an ego like all of us, but he would never put himself above the program or his coaches. That is the difference between him and Ron Prince. Ron Prince was so riddled with self-doubt that he had to create a boastful and arrogant alter-ego to mask his insecurity. He was a fraud and his assistants knew it. Nobody wants to coach for a fraud. Part of being a successful coach is surrounding yourself with capable assistants whom you know and trust. Dana Dimel is a tireless recruiter and an excellent football coach. Del Miller is also a great coach. I have two children and if I ever lost one of them, I am not sure I could recover. Some of you may not have known that Coach Miller lost his son after a lengthy battle with cancer. After the Big 12 championship, Ell Roberson showed his class by shouting out to Coach Miller and telling him how much he missed him. The players absoultely loved him. The loss of his son took his desire away and I think he has got it back.
All coaches work long hours. Any coach who does not want to work for Coach Snyder is an idiot. In coaching circles he is mentioned along with Joe Paterno and Tom Osborne. That is lofty company and this honor is not bestowed upon many coaches. Coach Snyder has been known as a coach who will willingly and readily counsel any new coach who seeks his advice (see Urban Meyer). Coaches respect that and that does not go unnoticed. I can not wait for football season. This team will surprise some people. These kids have been poorly coached and guided for three years and that will no longer be the case. Coach Snyder may be 69, but there is no one and I repeat no one that I would rather have coaching this football team. :ksu: :kstatriot: :dancin: :runaway:
welcome home beasley. :popcorn:
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I know for a fact that there was a solid reason for Coach Ludwig's departure and I will leave it at that.
God I hate posts like this. If you aren't going to say anything then don't bring it up.
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Assistant coaches come and go at the drop of a hat. Not important, imho.
Unless it was one of ours, of course. :runaway:
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Coach Snyder may be 69, but there is no one and I repeat no one that I would rather have coaching this football team. :ksu: :kstatriot: :dancin: :runaway:
Agree totally! And thanks for your insight. I did not know all that about Del Miller.
:thumbsup:
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thank goodness for basketball
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I know for a fact that there was a solid reason for Coach Ludwig's departure and I will leave it at that.
God I hate posts like this. If you aren't going to say anything then don't bring it up.
QFT. Asshole tard move, imo (but not really. It's fact).
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didn't attempt to read.
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what's the reason? who cares if it's legitimate or not.?
The 1 1/2 hour ride from the airport with OB. He decided he would rather mainline caffeinated products than ever do that again. Versus violating his church's tenents and facing eternal hell, he decided to leave football hell for Cal. There you go. Try talking to OB for 1 1/2 hours without entertaining sucking off the biz end of a .357.
I heard Fran is willing to take the OC job. Any truth there?
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The O/C position has already been filled . . . by Del Miller. :curse:
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didn't attempt to read.
That was smart cire, IMO - it was entirely opinion - which is like a certain body part that I wont mention. "Hi, I am a former FB player (I guess) and here is what I think." GREAT, how many times will we have to digest this crap before people stop posting it.
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Regardless of whether the information is from a credible source, that post was extremely :kstatriot: :kstatriot: :kstatriot:
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This post, so far, has been the only thing to give me hope since Ludwig left.
So, what is the legitimate reason for leaving? Did we dump him or did he dump us? Was it about the $$$?
And why is the word "Long" in the subject?
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This post, so far, has been the only thing to give me hope since Ludwig left.
So, what is the legitimate reason for leaving? Did we dump him or did he dump us? Was it about the $$$?
And why is the word "Long" in the subject?
what makes you think it was anything other than that he didn't want to work 15 hr days?
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I'm guessing "Long" is just a warning that there's a lot of reading in the post? :runaway:
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So, what is the legitimate reason for leaving?
Tough to raise perfect little pod-children so far from the mothership?
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Several "solid reasons for leaving":
1] More money
2] A HC who doesn't require 70 hour weeks
3] A place where he won't have to empty the Depends pail
4] A roster which won't destroy his reputation
5] An easier place to recruit
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This hire is going to end up worse than the prince hire.
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Ludwig left to be closer to his mother, who is in a nursing home in the bay area. You can't blame a guy for that.
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Ludwig left to be closer to his mother, who is in a nursing home in the bay area. You can't blame a guy for that.
Meadowlark Hills not good enough for her? Place is a &@#%ing paradise.
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Ludwig left to be closer to his mother, who is in a nursing home in the bay area. You can't blame a guy for that.
Pussy. No wonder Snyder kicked his momma loving ass out.
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Ludwig left to be closer to his mother, who is in a nursing home in the bay area. You can't blame a guy for that.
Pussy. No wonder Snyder kicked his momma loving ass out.
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Ludwig left to be closer to his mother, who is in a nursing home in the bay area. You can't blame a guy for that.
Mother / mothership it's all pretty much the same.
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Who cares about excuses. The guy was a total vagine
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Ludwig had a legitimate reason to leave (Long)
:rolleyes:
You never have a "legitimate reason" to leave when you just abandon a school that hired you less then three months ago.
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He saw the writing on the wall. As easy as that.
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This hire is going to end up worse than the prince hire.
Frankly, that's just not possible.
That's not setting a very high standard to beat, but it's utterly inconceivable this hire could end up worse than Prince. (Although anyone walking into this situation at KSU is destined to have a sucky record for the next two years.)
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This hire is going to end up worse than the prince hire.
Frankly, that's just not possible.
That's not setting a very high standard to beat, but it's utterly inconceivable this hire could end up worse than Prince. (Although anyone walking into this situation at KSU is destined to have a sucky record for the next two years.)
I wasn't necessarily talking about our record. We hired a legend to come back and coach our football team. Expectations among most of the fanbase are unrealistically high. What happens when Snyder goes 5-7, 6-6, 6-6 the next 3 years? Things will be ugly. You can't fire him. The stadium is named after him, and he's going to leave on his own terms. This was just such a stupid hire. At least we knew going in that if Prince sucked we could get rid of him without a second thought.
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This hire is going to end up worse than the prince hire.
Frankly, that's just not possible.
That's not setting a very high standard to beat, but it's utterly inconceivable this hire could end up worse than Prince. (Although anyone walking into this situation at KSU is destined to have a sucky record for the next two years.)
I wasn't necessarily talking about our record. We hired a legend to come back and coach our football team. Expectations among most of the fanbase are unrealistically high. What happens when Snyder goes 5-7, 6-6, 6-6 the next 3 years? Things will be ugly. You can't fire him. The stadium is named after him, and he's going to leave on his own terms. This was just such a stupid hire. At least we knew going in that if Prince sucked we could get rid of him without a second thought.
Oh, well then I mostly agree with you. And I don't think our record will be any better than that for the next 3 years.
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I do believe tho that keeping prince would've kept us going in the wrong direction... And with BS you at least know he will try and even if we have losing records you know certain parts of the program will be much better. That will be sending us in the right direction to get better again! Its just going to have to be a long wait...
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This hire is going to end up worse than the prince hire.
Frankly, that's just not possible.
That's not setting a very high standard to beat, but it's utterly inconceivable this hire could end up worse than Prince. (Although anyone walking into this situation at KSU is destined to have a sucky record for the next two years.)
I wasn't necessarily talking about our record. We hired a legend to come back and coach our football team. Expectations among most of the fanbase are unrealistically high. What happens when Snyder goes 5-7, 6-6, 6-6 the next 3 years? Things will be ugly. You can't fire him. The stadium is named after him, and he's going to leave on his own terms. This was just such a stupid hire. At least we knew going in that if Prince sucked we could get rid of him without a second thought.
I agree, though i don't even think it will get "ugly". it will just get boring. it already has, imo. i have little to no desire to even watch ksu football next year. i'm just going to be constantly waiting for basketball season to come.
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This hire is going to end up worse than the prince hire.
Frankly, that's just not possible.
That's not setting a very high standard to beat, but it's utterly inconceivable this hire could end up worse than Prince. (Although anyone walking into this situation at KSU is destined to have a sucky record for the next two years.)
I wasn't necessarily talking about our record. We hired a legend to come back and coach our football team. Expectations among most of the fanbase are unrealistically high. What happens when Snyder goes 5-7, 6-6, 6-6 the next 3 years? Things will be ugly. You can't fire him. The stadium is named after him, and he's going to leave on his own terms. This was just such a stupid hire. At least we knew going in that if Prince sucked we could get rid of him without a second thought.
I agree, though i don't even think it will get "ugly". it will just get boring. it already has, imo. i have little to no desire to even watch ksu football next year. i'm just going to be constantly waiting for basketball season to come.
i know. it's annoying. had we hired patterson, we probably still have a terrible recruiting class, but the "emaw pride" would be overflowing. every single two star scrub patterson would recruit, we would spin it like crazy and have fun doing so.
not so w/mr. 4-7,5-6 synder.