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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: Kat Kid on September 30, 2006, 09:23:19 PM
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But just look at his potential!
I mean his arm strength is amazing :eek:
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At this point we're going to lose every game left on the schedule. I'd rather lose with Freeman than lose with Meier. At least if Freeman continues to blow goats QB recruits will realize that they have a shot at starting whereas if he rides the pine he remains the heir apparent and we'll blow next season finding out how much he sucks.
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We can still win 8 games.
It just might take us a couple of years to get that many.
:frown:
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At this point we're going to lose every game left on the schedule. I'd rather lose with Freeman than lose with Meier. At least if Freeman continues to blow goats QB recruits will realize that they have a shot at starting whereas if he rides the pine he remains the heir apparent and we'll blow next season finding out how much he sucks.
This sounds like Republican spin on the Iraq War. I say cut and run.
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3 picks in one half. Freeman should not play.
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Does anyone else feel like if Freeman comes in when we are behind it means we are giving up?
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Starting him after this performance certainly feels like we're giving up on the season, that's for sure.
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Starting him after this performance certainly feels like we're giving up on the season, that's for sure.
To me, starting him is our only chance at a bwl game. Continuing to throw Dylan out there is giving up, IMO.
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I only listened to the game, didn't actually see how he played. But the stats and how it sounded sure are not good. What possible reason could you have to think he'll lead us to a bowl? Meier might or even probably will not, but Freeman is sucking beyond belief at the moment.
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3 picks in one half. Freeman should not play.
allready wasted redshirt year might as well get the bugs out :banghead:
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i can see why Prince didn't want to waste a redshirt on Freeman, that would have been plain stupid to leave talent like that on the bench to mature.
i have to think Evridge would have been better this year after a year under his belt, remember how much Snyder loved Allan?
Hopefully, josh will work through the growing pains this year and be ready to take a step forward next year
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Starting him after this performance certainly feels like we're giving up on the season, that's for sure.
To me, starting him is our only chance at a bwl game. Continuing to throw Dylan out there is giving up, IMO.
WTF? Freeman = Kerry Meier.
Barmaan is probably better than Dylan but they are both are best chances to win. I think they've proven this.
Freeman has more potential, but just like Kerry throws TONS of interceptions. Why are Dylan's numbers so unacceptable, but Golden Boy pick-a-thon ok? Why not put in someone who can at least retain possession for the posibility of a first down, a drive and maybe by the ku game an offensive TD?
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Starting him after this performance certainly feels like we're giving up on the season, that's for sure.
To me, starting him is our only chance at a bwl game. Continuing to throw Dylan out there is giving up, IMO.
WTF? Freeman = Kerry Meier.
Barmaan is probably better than Dylan but they are both are best chances to win. I think they've proven this.
Freeman has more potential, but just like Kerry throws TONS of interceptions. Why are Dylan's numbers so unacceptable, but Golden Boy pick-a-thon ok? Why not put in someone who can at least retain possession for the posibility of a first down, a drive and maybe by the ku game an offensive TD?
Dylan has done NOTHING to prove we have a better chance of winning with him. At least Freeman has proven to have big play potential...two of his completions were our two longest of the year.
With Dylan, you have no chance to score, but you don't turn it over until you get into the redzone.
With Soul Glo, you have a chance to score, but you run the risk of turning it over before you get into the redzone.
I'm willing to take my chances with Freeman.
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Starting him after this performance certainly feels like we're giving up on the season, that's for sure.
To me, starting him is our only chance at a bwl game. Continuing to throw Dylan out there is giving up, IMO.
WTF? Freeman = Kerry Meier.
Barmaan is probably better than Dylan but they are both are best chances to win. I think they've proven this.
Freeman has more potential, but just like Kerry throws TONS of interceptions. Why are Dylan's numbers so unacceptable, but Golden Boy pick-a-thon ok? Why not put in someone who can at least retain possession for the posibility of a first down, a drive and maybe by the ku game an offensive TD?
Dylan has done NOTHING to prove we have a better chance of winning with him. At least Freeman has proven to have big play potential...two of his completions were our two longest of the year.
With Dylan, you have no chance to score, but you don't turn it over until you get into the redzone.
With Soul Glo, you have a chance to score, but you run the risk of turning it over before you get into the redzone.
I'm willing to take my chances with Freeman.
terrible analysis.
Freeman may show flashes of brilliance, but the games but running him out there to turn the ball over 5-6 times a game is the antithesis of winning. I would submit to you, it is impossible to win games with this team turning the ball over 5-6 times a game.
With Dylan it is highly improbable that we will win the game, but not impossible. With Freeman it is IMPOSSIBLE.
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Starting him after this performance certainly feels like we're giving up on the season, that's for sure.
To me, starting him is our only chance at a bwl game. Continuing to throw Dylan out there is giving up, IMO.
WTF? Freeman = Kerry Meier.
Barmaan is probably better than Dylan but they are both are best chances to win. I think they've proven this.
Freeman has more potential, but just like Kerry throws TONS of interceptions. Why are Dylan's numbers so unacceptable, but Golden Boy pick-a-thon ok? Why not put in someone who can at least retain possession for the posibility of a first down, a drive and maybe by the ku game an offensive TD?
Dylan has done NOTHING to prove we have a better chance of winning with him. At least Freeman has proven to have big play potential...two of his completions were our two longest of the year.
With Dylan, you have no chance to score, but you don't turn it over until you get into the redzone.
With Soul Glo, you have a chance to score, but you run the risk of turning it over before you get into the redzone.
I'm willing to take my chances with Freeman.
terrible analysis.
Freeman may show flashes of brilliance, but the games but running him out there to turn the ball over 5-6 times a game is the antithesis of winning. I would submit to you, it is impossible to win games with this team turning the ball over 5-6 times a game.
With Dylan it is highly improbable that we will win the game, but not impossible. With Freeman it is IMPOSSIBLE.
I see your point...we'll just have to agree to disagree.
You think we're more likely to win scoring 3 points with 2 or 3 turnovers...I think we're more likely to win scoring 14 with 4 or 5 turnovers.
Also, Freeman's decision making will improve as the season goes on...that's much more likely than Meier's arm getting stronger. It's still kind of the same thing as before...Meier *might* give us a better chance to win against Oklahoma State....but Freeman will give us a better chance to win against CU and ku once he gains experience.
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I stand by my earlier comment: we're either going to lose one season to this debacle or two and no matter who starts or plays at QB we're unlikely to win another game this year. If Freeman is a lost cause let's throw this season away discovering that fact rather than throwing this season away on a washed-up has-been who started out as a piss-poor QB then throwing next season away discovering that Freeman isn't the second coming of Chad May.
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I stand by my earlier comment: we're either going to lose one season to this debacle or two and no matter who starts or plays at QB we're unlikely to win another game this year. If Freeman is a lost cause let's throw this season away discovering that fact rather than throwing this season away on a washed-up has-been who started out as a piss-poor QB then throwing next season away discovering that Freeman isn't the second coming of Chad May.
Amen.
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I stand by my earlier comment: we're either going to lose one season to this debacle or two and no matter who starts or plays at QB we're unlikely to win another game this year. If Freeman is a lost cause let's throw this season away discovering that fact rather than throwing this season away on a washed-up has-been who started out as a piss-poor QB then throwing next season away discovering that Freeman isn't the second coming of Chad May.
yeah. I think I may be just cynical enough to disagree with Rusty, but not yet cynical enough to believe this.
God, this is going to get worse isn't it?
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You guys may be right. The quicker we get experience for the young guys, the better they will be in the future.
I mean, just look at what it has done for the Kansas City Royals.
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You guys may be right. The quicker we get experience for the young guys, the better they will be in the future.
I mean, just look at what it has done for the Kansas City Royals.
Because major league baseball is nearly identical to college football.
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You guys may be right. The quicker we get experience for the young guys, the better they will be in the future.
I mean, just look at what it has done for the Kansas City Royals.
Because major league baseball is nearly identical to college football.
Unfortunately the Royals scored more points this weekend than the 'Cats. :rolleyes:
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You guys may be right. The quicker we get experience for the young guys, the better they will be in the future.
I mean, just look at what it has done for the Kansas City Royals.
Because major league baseball is nearly identical to college football.
Ron Powlus.
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I stand by my earlier comment: we're either going to lose one season to this debacle or two and no matter who starts or plays at QB we're unlikely to win another game this year. If Freeman is a lost cause let's throw this season away discovering that fact rather than throwing this season away on a washed-up has-been who started out as a piss-poor QB then throwing next season away discovering that Freeman isn't the second coming of Chad May.
yeah. I think I may be just cynical enough to disagree with Rusty, but not yet cynical enough to believe this.
God, this is going to get worse isn't it?
It's not even cynical. It's just realistic and extremely practical.
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I stand by my earlier comment: we're either going to lose one season to this debacle or two and no matter who starts or plays at QB we're unlikely to win another game this year. If Freeman is a lost cause let's throw this season away discovering that fact rather than throwing this season away on a washed-up has-been who started out as a piss-poor QB then throwing next season away discovering that Freeman isn't the second coming of Chad May.
yeah. I think I may be just cynical enough to disagree with Rusty, but not yet cynical enough to believe this.
God, this is going to get worse isn't it?
It's not even cynical. It's just realistic and extremely practical.
You slimy bastard, I won't cut and run from this season.
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You guys may be right. The quicker we get experience for the young guys, the better they will be in the future.
I mean, just look at what it has done for the Kansas City Royals.
Because major league baseball is nearly identical to college football.
Ron Powlus.
This Ron Powlus?
His completions, attempts, yards and touchdowns are all school records, and his 7,479 yards total offense are also the most in school history.
http://www.ndqb1.com/profile.php/player/4
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I mean, just look at what it has done for the Kansas City Royals.
But we aren't going to send all of our players to Wisconsin or San Diego State just before the prime of their careers like the Royals ... oh wait. :(
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I stand by my earlier comment: we're either going to lose one season to this debacle or two and no matter who starts or plays at QB we're unlikely to win another game this year. If Freeman is a lost cause let's throw this season away discovering that fact rather than throwing this season away on a washed-up has-been who started out as a piss-poor QB then throwing next season away discovering that Freeman isn't the second coming of Chad May.
yeah. I think I may be just cynical enough to disagree with Rusty, but not yet cynical enough to believe this.
God, this is going to get worse isn't it?
It's not even cynical. It's just realistic and extremely practical.
You slimy bastard, I won't cut and run from this season.
If Meier started the remainder of the season and we fail to make a bowl, would we be better off than if Freeman had started?
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I stand by my earlier comment: we're either going to lose one season to this debacle or two and no matter who starts or plays at QB we're unlikely to win another game this year. If Freeman is a lost cause let's throw this season away discovering that fact rather than throwing this season away on a washed-up has-been who started out as a piss-poor QB then throwing next season away discovering that Freeman isn't the second coming of Chad May.
yeah. I think I may be just cynical enough to disagree with Rusty, but not yet cynical enough to believe this.
God, this is going to get worse isn't it?
It's not even cynical. It's just realistic and extremely practical.
You slimy bastard, I won't cut and run from this season.
If Meier started the remainder of the season and we fail to make a bowl, would we be better off than if Freeman had started?
No. But why do you hate Kansas State Football (and America)?
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I hate sucking.
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Yes, that Ron Powlus. The one who started all four years thus accumulating more yards and TD's than any other Notre Dame quarterback and finishing off his career with a sterling 7-6 record as a senior.
All that experience gave him a big head start in the NFL as well.
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Yes, that Ron Powlus. The one who started all four years thus accumulating more yards and TD's than any other Notre Dame quarterback and finishing off his career with a sterling 7-6 record as a senior.
All that experience gave him a big head start in the NFL as well.
Wait...he had a subpar year as a senior under a new coach? Hmmm....
Also, would giving him the Alex Gordon "don't rush him" treatment have allowed him to meet the ridiculous expectations placed on him?
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Freeman may have a new coach when he is a senior as well.
I don't want him to sit just for the sake of "not rushing him." I just want him to win the position with a superior performance. He certainly hasn't done that in the games, and according to J-Mart he hasn't done it in practice either.
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Freeman may have a new coach when he is a senior as well.
I don't want him to sit just for the sake of "not rushing him." I just want him to win the position with a superior performance. He certainly hasn't done that in the games, and according to J-Mart he hasn't done it in practice either.
He was 3 points worse than Dylan...but 100 yards better.
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He was 5 incompletions and 3 picks behind Meier.
I also think that rushing a player that is not ready can have bad effects in the future. If you put Freeman in positions he is not ready for this year then his thoughts next year or after that are going to be more like "Oh crap, here we go again" rather than "I've waited to damn long for this moment."
See David Clyde.
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the risk/reward with freeman makes more sense due to how our defense is playing well enough to still keep us in the game.
at least i think that makes sense.
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the risk/reward with freeman makes more sense due to how our defense is playing well enough to still keep us in the game.
at least i think that makes sense.
Our defense will be so frustrated/tired/injured by the ku game if we keep Freeman in the rest of the way that they will roll over and die.
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the risk/reward with freeman makes more sense due to how our defense is playing well enough to still keep us in the game.
at least i think that makes sense.
Our defense will be so frustrated/tired/injured by the ku game if we keep Freeman in the rest of the way that they will roll over and die.
i think the same would happen with dylan, but i believe we will score more points with freeman no matter how many mistakes he makes.
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Can't score anything when you throw it to the other team.
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Can't score anything when you throw it to the other team.
...or to the dirt...
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Makes me wonder where 22 of Freemans passes went to Saturday!
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ttt4kk
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KK,
Are you thinking you'd like a do-over on this thread?! :tongue:
By the way, thank the fair-weathered who sold me the rest of their season tickets. I would have paid $60 just to see last Saturday's game!
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Tigers win. K-State wins. ku loses.
Great weekend. GREAT weekend.
I drank champagne to excess two nights.
I do kind of feel like a retard for not going to the K-State game and watching the Tigers game while listening to K-State on the radio though. Can I still post here after admitting that? :redface:
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Tigers win. K-State wins. ku loses.
Great weekend. GREAT weekend.
I drank champagne to excess two nights.
I do kind of feel like a retard for not going to the K-State game and watching the Tigers game while listening to K-State on the radio though. Can I still post here after admitting that? :redface:
You missed a great game.
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Tigers win. K-State wins. ku loses.
Great weekend. GREAT weekend.
I drank champagne to excess two nights.
I do kind of feel like a retard for not going to the K-State game and watching the Tigers game while listening to K-State on the radio though. Can I still post here after admitting that? :redface:
You missed a great game.
I know, but think about it. K-state has some serious mojo when I stay home and wish I was there.
A quick recap:
2000 NU
2000 OU
2003 OU
2003 NU
2004 MU
Away/Bowl games I've been to:
1996 Rice W
1996 MU W
1996 ku W
1996 BYU L
1997 OU W
1998 CU W
1998 MU W
1998 ku W
1998 A&M L
1999 UT W
2000 Iowa W
2000 ku W
2000 Tenn W
2002 CU L
2002 ku W
2003 Cal W
2004 ku L
2006 ku ?
13-4 Overall
Perhaps I am not going to enough road games and going to too many home games?
BTW: the A&M loss should count for 100,000 losses and the Big XII Title for 50,000 wins.
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way/Bowl games I've been to:
1996 Rice W
1996 MU W
1996 ku W
1996 BYU L
1997 OU W
1998 CU W
1998 MU W
1998 ku W
1998 A&M L
1999 UT W
2000 Iowa W
2000 ku W
2000 Tenn W
2002 CU L
2002 ku W
2003 Cal W
2004 ku L
2006 ku ?
13-4 Overall
Damn. That's impressive. We used to win at places like Texas as if it was nothing. :crybaby:
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way/Bowl games I've been to:
1996 Rice W
1996 MU W
1996 ku W
1996 BYU L
1997 OU W
1998 CU W
1998 MU W
1998 ku W
1998 A&M L
1999 UT W
2000 Iowa W
2000 ku W
2000 Tenn W
2002 CU L
2002 ku W
2003 Cal W
2004 ku L
2006 ku ?
13-4 Overall
Damn. That's impressive. We used to win at places like Texas as if it was nothing. :crybaby:
Granted, we were down at half. We had NFL talent then. Darren Howard. Simenau. Fatafehi. Beisel wasn't even a superstar here and he's still in the league for chrissakes! Jeremetrius Butler LEFT EARLY and it confused everyone!
Imagine the things above happening now. :crybaby: