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Title: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: WavetheWheat on January 21, 2009, 09:51:18 PM
and that's not even the worst thing Frank has done tonight.  As he placed that metallic purple pocket square folded like a wildcat claw any decision moving forward wouldn't be his worst.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: fatty fat fat on January 21, 2009, 09:53:05 PM
that's def. the reason we are 0-4 in conference play. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: KCcat28 on January 21, 2009, 09:54:07 PM
Shooting killed us... if we hit some shots early and guard the 3 better we win this game... once again just doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: WavetheWheat on January 21, 2009, 09:54:11 PM
that's def. the reason we are 0-4 in conference play. :rolleyes:

I remember when you used to blindly support Prince.  Those were good days.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2009, 09:54:20 PM
and that's not even the worst thing Frank has done tonight.  As he placed that metallic purple pocket square folded like a wildcat claw any decision moving forward wouldn't be his worst.

I haven't looked at phog.net, but I'm guessing this is the summary of the game thread.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: fatty fat fat on January 21, 2009, 09:55:28 PM
that's def. the reason we are 0-4 in conference play. :rolleyes:

I remember when you used to blindly support Prince.  Those were good days.

really? lmao.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: GoldbrickGangBoss on January 21, 2009, 09:55:37 PM
that's def. the reason we are 0-4 in conference play. :rolleyes:

I remember when you used to blindly support Prince.  Those were good days.

He does the same with martin.

Eventually he'll be like Dax is now.

One could say that Dax is currently ahead of his time.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: WavetheWheat on January 21, 2009, 10:01:07 PM
(http://coachshuffle.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/timj.jpg)

Call him.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: McGrowlTowelZac on January 21, 2009, 10:01:51 PM
we will blindly support every coach, until his teams start imploding, at which we will then call for their jobs.  its just easier that way.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: wildcats92 on January 21, 2009, 10:03:52 PM
(http://coachshuffle.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/timj.jpg)

Call him.

Sorry ..but who is he??
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: A-Lishious on January 21, 2009, 10:04:58 PM
that's def. the reason we are 0-4 in conference play. :rolleyes:

I remember when you used to blindly support Prince.  Those were good days.

He does the same with martin.

Eventually he'll be like Dax is now.

One could say that Dax is currently ahead of his time.

Dax is so pissed he is a KSU fan. If he were a ku fan he would be having sooo much more fun. His semi-elitist attitude combined with his blind devotion to his team, he would be a pretty good ku fan.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: McGrowlTowelZac on January 21, 2009, 10:05:53 PM
(http://coachshuffle.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/timj.jpg)

Call him.

He has call ID, and is ignoring us.  You call, see if he picks up, if he does then he was totally lying to us.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2009, 10:06:33 PM
I hate, I mean hate the Snyder hire, but I still love Frank.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: McGrowlTowelZac on January 21, 2009, 10:08:32 PM
I hate, I mean hate the Snyder hire, but I still love Frank.

I love his empty faced, out of ideas look he is giving 80% of the game now.  He has lost some pep.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: michigancat on January 21, 2009, 10:10:24 PM
I hate, I mean hate the Snyder hire, but I still love Frank.

I love his empty faced, out of ideas look he is giving 80% of the game now.  He has lost some pep.

Well, to be fair, he did try to defend the pick and roll about 3 different ways in the first half, and then tried about 3 different zones in the second half.  Maybe he should have called more timeouts to "yell"?

:dunno:
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: chum1 on January 21, 2009, 10:12:39 PM
Quote from: sh*t f*ck
Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...

F*ck that.  Although the sh*tty zone didn't help matters, the guy didn't go 9-12 becuase of it.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 21, 2009, 10:14:20 PM
For the resident squawks . . . I don't derive my self esteem from a basketball team like you guys do.

Now . . . on the team, completely lost out there . . . utterly, absolutely lost.  But hey, Frank did try multiple defenses, and Baylor was still wide open out at the 3 all night. 
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: GoldbrickGangBoss on January 21, 2009, 10:15:31 PM
You shouldn't refer to us as 'squawks'.

Its so hurtful.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: Bookcat on January 21, 2009, 10:42:54 PM
Drive inside, dish out to the perimeter.

nothing fancy really. #24 was just unconscious draining it.

The dude was laughing and talking crap as he backpeddled up the court.


On one of his early treys that swished in Pullens face he called him a "bitch." I gotta admit I chuckled....then got pissed again.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 21, 2009, 10:45:16 PM
Like I said . . . Frank's multiple defenses just couldn't figure out that little screen for the guy with the hot hand . . . or the simple rotation and run threw sets that Baylor was running . . . what the f do you expect our guys to do with a drive and dish??

Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: sys on January 21, 2009, 10:47:28 PM
dunn was really good.  really liked acy too, would have been a great get last year.



ksu was getting just as many wide open looks as bu, btw.  they just aren't as noticeable when you miss.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 21, 2009, 10:49:45 PM
dunn was really good.  really liked acy too, would have been a great get last year.



ksu was getting just as many wide open looks as bu, btw.  they just aren't as noticeable when you miss.

That's true, but Baylor has never been known for great defense . . . I had been led to believe that Frank was some sort of Defensive savant however . . . but hey, he did run multiple defenses, and hey, they all sucked.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: mcmwcat on January 21, 2009, 10:53:40 PM
hard to defend anything when you can't stop dribble penetration.  no matter what defense you used.  jerrel was outstanding tonight breaking down any defense that came his way.  i thought the most effective defense was the 3/4 court press.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: sys on January 21, 2009, 10:56:49 PM
i know people are going to jump on this, but honestly i didn't think ksu's defense was that bad.


was solid to start the game (but rebounding was horrible).  had a few breakdowns right before half and a few more through the first part of the 2nd.  not perfect, but bu's an outstanding offensive team.


defense was better than against ku or nu.  maybe about comparable to the ou game.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: Chingon on January 21, 2009, 11:02:37 PM
i know people are going to jump on this, but honestly i didn't think ksu's defense was that bad.


was solid to start the game (but rebounding was horrible).  had a few breakdowns right before half and a few more through the first part of the 2nd.  not perfect, but bu's an outstanding offensive team.


defense was better than against ku or nu.  maybe about comparable to the ou game.
Just got back from the game, and I have to agree.  I would have liked to see more fouls by us in the first half.  We did have trouble with screens, but this was mostly due to poor effort than scheme. 

Oh well, another learning game for young people I suppose.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: mcmwcat on January 21, 2009, 11:05:04 PM
can't say the defense was good but the rebounding was poor.  they are one and the same imo.  part of getting a stop is making sure they don't get 2nd & 3rd chances.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: Chingon on January 21, 2009, 11:07:58 PM
can't say the defense was good but the rebounding was poor.  they are one and the same imo.  part of getting a stop is making sure they don't get 2nd & 3rd chances.
Our rebounding is above average.

Man I wish we could hit the bunnies though.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: WavetheWheat on January 22, 2009, 11:30:22 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/994944.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/994944.html)

“I was really surprised,” Dunn said. “They kept the same defense.”
Title: LOLers:
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 22, 2009, 11:30:51 AM
But, but Frank kept changing defenses.

Guard LaceDarius Dunn

On his shooting for the night...

“I was really surprised. They kept the same defense. I have to give a lot of credit to our guards. They found the open spots and it was my responsibility to knock down the shots.”

24     Dunn, LaceDarius     -     11-14     9-12  :lol:   2-2     1-4     5     3     33     0     3     1     1     32
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: mcmwcat on January 22, 2009, 11:42:10 AM
lollers dax spouting phog.net talking points.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 22, 2009, 11:43:10 AM
lollers dax spouting phog.net talking points.

Yeah . . . kstatesports.com is now phognet.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: mcmwcat on January 22, 2009, 11:43:20 AM
dunn can't see forest thru the trees
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 22, 2009, 11:44:41 AM
dunn can't see forest thru the trees

Last night Dunn was on the great plains by himself and the basket looked 10 feet in diameter.

But hey, Frank ran multiple defenses.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: mcmwcat on January 22, 2009, 11:47:06 AM
do you deny that martin failed to switch defenses?  dax maybe is the one who can't see the forest thru the trees.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 22, 2009, 11:49:23 AM
do you deny that martin failed to switch defenses?  dax maybe is the one who can't see the forest thru the trees.

No I don't deny that. 
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: WavetheWheat on January 22, 2009, 11:49:41 AM
do you deny that martin failed to switch defenses?  dax maybe is the one who can't see the forest thru the trees.

He may have changed defense eventually.  I know for a fact (I was watching) that in the three straight possessions that Dunn swished a 3 pointers were all against zone.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: mcmwcat on January 22, 2009, 11:50:25 AM
do you deny that martin failed to switch defenses?  dax maybe is the one who can't see the forest thru the trees.

He may have changed defense eventually.  I know for a fact (I was watching) that in the three straight possessions that Dunn swished a 3 pointers were all against zone.

what happened then?
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: WavetheWheat on January 22, 2009, 11:53:59 AM
do you deny that martin failed to switch defenses?  dax maybe is the one who can't see the forest thru the trees.

He may have changed defense eventually.  I know for a fact (I was watching) that in the three straight possessions that Dunn swished a 3 pointers were all against zone.

what happened then?

He changed defense for a few minutes.  At that point the kid had already made 7 three pointers.  7.  He allowed a shooter to make 7 threes before adjusting. 
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: michigancat on January 22, 2009, 11:54:09 AM
do you deny that martin failed to switch defenses?  dax maybe is the one who can't see the forest thru the trees.

He may have changed defense eventually.  I know for a fact (I was watching) that in the three straight possessions that Dunn swished a 3 pointers were all against zone.

what happened then?

And what defense were we in for the entire first half?  :dunno:
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 22, 2009, 12:00:24 PM
Floor recognition is terrible . . . bad basketball players.

Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: mcmwcat on January 22, 2009, 12:01:37 PM
dunn had made 1 before that streak of 3 in a row.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=290212306
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: michigancat on January 22, 2009, 12:03:37 PM
dunn had made 1 before that streak of 3 in a row.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=290212306

We weren't even in zone for that first stretch.
Title: for those here that believe we wasn't out coached
Post by: dubnation on January 22, 2009, 12:10:10 PM
Guard LaceDarius Dunn

On his shooting for the night...

“I was really surprised. They kept the same defense. I have to give a lot of credit to our guards. They found the open spots and it was my responsibility to knock down the shots.”

hell even the other team is suprised that we aren't getting coached
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: BMWJhawk on January 22, 2009, 12:11:00 PM
LOL @ all the Martin apologists in this thread.  How bad would K-State have to get in order to question the man's coaching ability?
Title: Re: for those here that believe we wasn't out coached
Post by: hemmy on January 22, 2009, 12:12:14 PM
:repost:
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: michigancat on January 22, 2009, 12:14:49 PM
LOL @ all the Martin apologists in this thread.  How bad would K-State have to get in order to question the man's coaching ability?

consecutive recruiting classes w/ no top 100 recruits.   I'm willing to let anything slide as long as recruits are coming.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: steve dave on January 22, 2009, 12:16:34 PM
LOL @ all the Martin apologists in this thread.  How bad would K-State have to get in order to question the man's coaching ability?

consecutive recruiting classes w/ no top 100 recruits.   I'm willing to let anything slide as long as recruits are coming.

Agreed
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: mcmwcat on January 22, 2009, 12:20:46 PM
LOL @ all the Martin apologists in this thread.  How bad would K-State have to get in order to question the man's coaching ability?

2 or 3 consecutive years w/o ncaa tourney would do for me.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: WavetheWheat on January 22, 2009, 12:22:22 PM
dunn had made 1 before that streak of 3 in a row.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=290212306

We are talking about 2 different stretches.  I was talking about the 11 minute mark in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 22, 2009, 12:47:37 PM
LOL @ all the Martin apologists in this thread.  How bad would K-State have to get in order to question the man's coaching ability?

consecutive recruiting classes w/ no top 100 recruits.   I'm willing to let anything slide as long as recruits are coming . . .

. . . and then what?? 
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: BMWJhawk on January 22, 2009, 12:53:38 PM
LOL @ all the Martin apologists in this thread.  How bad would K-State have to get in order to question the man's coaching ability?

consecutive recruiting classes w/ no top 100 recruits.   I'm willing to let anything slide as long as recruits are coming.



So once Delonte Hill leaves, you're off the Martin bandwagon? 
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: michigancat on January 22, 2009, 12:57:23 PM
LOL @ all the Martin apologists in this thread.  How bad would K-State have to get in order to question the man's coaching ability?

consecutive recruiting classes w/ no top 100 recruits.   I'm willing to let anything slide as long as recruits are coming . . .

. . . and then what?? 

Fire him.

LOL @ all the Martin apologists in this thread.  How bad would K-State have to get in order to question the man's coaching ability?

consecutive recruiting classes w/ no top 100 recruits.   I'm willing to let anything slide as long as recruits are coming.



So once Delonte Hill leaves, you're off the Martin bandwagon? 

Not if he lands decent classes.  (COUSINS VISITING!)
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: steve dave on January 22, 2009, 12:58:19 PM
LOL @ all the Martin apologists in this thread.  How bad would K-State have to get in order to question the man's coaching ability?

consecutive recruiting classes w/ no top 100 recruits.   I'm willing to let anything slide as long as recruits are coming.



So once Delonte Hill leaves, you're off the Martin bandwagon? 

The question is:  will someone make him a head coach?  Is someone going pay him what we do as an assistant?
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: jthutch on January 22, 2009, 12:58:38 PM
Dunn was draining 3's on our man 2 man as well he was a equal opportunity marksman.  It happened whe Jerrells would break Pullen down and then Dunn would just let one splash right in Browns face.  He was unconsience there wasn't anything a defense was going to do to stop that last night.  He would have just stepped back another foot and hit another.  Or pass to Jerrells or Carter to drop another 3 on us.  We just don't have the horses to keep up with that kind of offensive power.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: mcmwcat on January 22, 2009, 01:24:31 PM
dunn had made 1 before that streak of 3 in a row.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=290212306

We are talking about 2 different stretches.  I was talking about the 11 minute mark in the 2nd half.

so you are saying he played zone the first 30 minutes of the game?  i remember differently
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: The Nasti on January 22, 2009, 01:52:23 PM
Why we lost...


1 - Effort in the first 17 minutes was horrible. Reminded me of the Oregon game.

2 - Dunn was unconscious.

3 - Baylor has experienced Big XII players, we do not. Their guards may be the best in the league.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: sys on January 22, 2009, 03:01:40 PM
dunn was probably talking about man and the 1st half.


ksu played maybe 5 minutes of zone all game.  and michigancat is right, ksu played like 3 different zones.  lol @ the hawk and dax for their lbbiqs.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: BMWJhawk on January 22, 2009, 05:24:15 PM
dunn was probably talking about man and the 1st half.


ksu played maybe 5 minutes of zone all game.  and michigancat is right, ksu played like 3 different zones.  lol @ the hawk and dax for their lbbiqs.


K-State is 0-7 against BCS schools.  Martin is not a good coach.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Lacedarius Dunn says thanks for staying in that zone...
Post by: Bookcat on January 22, 2009, 10:43:09 PM
dunn was probably talking about man and the 1st half.


ksu played maybe 5 minutes of zone all game.  and michigancat is right, ksu played like 3 different zones.  lol @ the hawk and dax for their lbbiqs.


K-State is 0-7 against BCS schools.  Martin is not a good coach.  Sorry.

Again, there you go with making an assertion that no one really disagrees with...but Martin also has a good class coming in next year...as well as Curtis Kelly. Dude would help us a ton this year. Think Acy for Baylor.