Donovan has back to back NC's. ku and Self have to go 20 or so years between NC's.
Donovan was in the NIT last year. Roy's team lost to Self's team by 18 points in the Final Four last year. Calipari's team lost to Self's team in the Nat'l Championship last year. Howland and Calipari have never won a Nat'l Championship. Coach K? Talk about SNOWCOAT. Pitino? LMAO... they just lost to Western Kentucy by 14 points. Tom Izzo? Michigan State just lost to Maryland by 18 and UNC by 35.Donovan has back to back NC's. Everybody who watched the Final Four knows Roy gave you guys that game, didn't coach with any intensity. Coach K has multiple NC's. Oh, and Self just lost to a team Calipari handled easily earlier in the year.
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Donovan was in the NIT last year. Roy's team lost to Self's team by 18 points in the Final Four last year. Calipari's team lost to Self's team in the Nat'l Championship last year. Howland and Calipari have never won a Nat'l Championship. Coach K? Talk about SNOWCOAT. Pitino? LMAO... they just lost to Western Kentucy by 14 points. Tom Izzo? Michigan State just lost to Maryland by 18 and UNC by 35.Donovan has back to back NC's. Everybody who watched the Final Four knows Roy gave you guys that game, didn't coach with any intensity. Coach K has multiple NC's. Oh, and self just lost to a team Calipari handled easily earlier in the year.
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Donovan was in the NIT last year. Roy's team lost to Self's team by 18 points in the Final Four last year. Calipari's team lost to Self's team in the Nat'l Championship last year. Howland and Calipari have never won a Nat'l Championship. Coach K? Talk about SNOWCOAT. Pitino? LMAO... they just lost to Western Kentucy by 14 points. Tom Izzo? Michigan State just lost to Maryland by 18 and UNC by 35.Donovan has back to back NC's. Everybody who watched the Final Four knows Roy gave you guys that game, didn't coach with any intensity. Coach K has multiple NC's. Oh, and self just lost to a team Calipari handled easily earlier in the year.
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Yes, I'm sure that's the only reason why ku was up 40-12 at one point. Couldn't have been anything ku did. I'll concede that Coach K is the best coach in basketball, period. As for Calipari, Self has the head-to-head win in the National Championship.
[/b]Donovan was in the NIT last year. Roy's team lost to Self's team by 18 points in the Final Four last year. Calipari's team lost to Self's team in the Nat'l Championship last year. Howland and Calipari have never won a Nat'l Championship. Coach K? Talk about SNOWCOAT. Pitino? LMAO... they just lost to Western Kentucy by 14 points. Tom Izzo? Michigan State just lost to Maryland by 18 and UNC by 35.Donovan has back to back NC's. Everybody who watched the Final Four knows Roy gave you guys that game, didn't coach with any intensity. Coach K has multiple NC's. Oh, and self just lost to a team Calipari handled easily earlier in the year.
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Yes, I'm sure that's the only reason why ku was up 40-12 at one point. Couldn't have been anything ku did. I'll concede that Coach K is the best coach in basketball, period. As for Calipari, Self has the head-to-head win in the National Championship.
Just noticed that Donovan's Florida team only lost to UMass by 12 last year in the NIT semi-final game. What a "garbage" basketball coach.
Donovan has back to back NC's. ku and Self have to go 20 or so years between NC's.
If Rush, Arthur, and Chalmers all came back, ku wins back-to-back NC's also.
Donovan was in the NIT last year. Roy's team lost to Self's team by 18 points in the Final Four last year. Calipari's team lost to Self's team in the Nat'l Championship last year. Howland and Calipari have never won a Nat'l Championship. Coach K? Talk about SNOWCOAT. Pitino? LMAO... they just lost to Western Kentucy by 14 points. Tom Izzo? Michigan State just lost to Maryland by 18 and UNC by 35.
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Donovan was in the NIT last year. Roy's team lost to Self's team by 18 points in the Final Four last year. Calipari's team lost to Self's team in the Nat'l Championship last year. Howland and Calipari have never won a Nat'l Championship. Coach K? Talk about SNOWCOAT. Pitino? LMAO... they just lost to Western Kentucy by 14 points. Tom Izzo? Michigan State just lost to Maryland by 18 and UNC by 35.Donovan has back to back NC's. Everybody who watched the Final Four knows Roy gave you guys that game, didn't coach with any intensity. Coach K has multiple NC's. Oh, and self just lost to a team Calipari handled easily earlier in the year.
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Yes, I'm sure that's the only reason why ku was up 40-12 at one point. Couldn't have been anything ku did. I'll concede that Coach K is the best coach in basketball, period. As for Calipari, Self has the head-to-head win in the National Championship.
Not Cal's fault his team choked on a big fat one
Donovan has back to back NC's. ku and Self have to go 20 or so years between NC's.
If Rush, Arthur, and Chalmers all came back, ku wins back-to-back NC's also.
North Carolina would like to speak to you.
[/b]Donovan was in the NIT last year. Roy's team lost to Self's team by 18 points in the Final Four last year. Calipari's team lost to Self's team in the Nat'l Championship last year. Howland and Calipari have never won a Nat'l Championship. Coach K? Talk about SNOWCOAT. Pitino? LMAO... they just lost to Western Kentucy by 14 points. Tom Izzo? Michigan State just lost to Maryland by 18 and UNC by 35.Donovan has back to back NC's. Everybody who watched the Final Four knows Roy gave you guys that game, didn't coach with any intensity. Coach K has multiple NC's. Oh, and self just lost to a team Calipari handled easily earlier in the year.
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Yes, I'm sure that's the only reason why ku was up 40-12 at one point. Couldn't have been anything ku did. I'll concede that Coach K is the best coach in basketball, period. As for Calipari, Self has the head-to-head win in the National Championship.
So Nolan Richardson is a better coach than Coach K?? 94' national championship game
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[/b]Donovan was in the NIT last year. Roy's team lost to Self's team by 18 points in the Final Four last year. Calipari's team lost to Self's team in the Nat'l Championship last year. Howland and Calipari have never won a Nat'l Championship. Coach K? Talk about SNOWCOAT. Pitino? LMAO... they just lost to Western Kentucy by 14 points. Tom Izzo? Michigan State just lost to Maryland by 18 and UNC by 35.Donovan has back to back NC's. Everybody who watched the Final Four knows Roy gave you guys that game, didn't coach with any intensity. Coach K has multiple NC's. Oh, and self just lost to a team Calipari handled easily earlier in the year.
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Yes, I'm sure that's the only reason why ku was up 40-12 at one point. Couldn't have been anything ku did. I'll concede that Coach K is the best coach in basketball, period. As for Calipari, Self has the head-to-head win in the National Championship.
So Nolan Richardson is a better coach than Coach K?? 94' national championship game
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Boeheim's been to the NIT two years in a row.Donovan has back to back NC's. ku and Self have to go 20 or so years between NC's.
If Rush, Arthur, and Chalmers all came back, ku wins back-to-back NC's also. LOL @ a K-State fan talking National Championships.
Boeheim's been to the NIT two years in a row.Donovan has back to back NC's. ku and Self have to go 20 or so years between NC's.
If Rush, Arthur, and Chalmers all came back, ku wins back-to-back NC's also. LOL @ a K-State fan talking National Championships.
Boeheim has owned ku twice in huge games. Once to go to the final four, and once to win the National championship.....maybe look for a different coach to criticize, Ben.
Donovan has back to back NC's. ku and Self have to go 20 or so years between NC's.
If Rush, Arthur, and Chalmers all came back, ku wins back-to-back NC's also. LOL @ a K-State fan talking National Championships.
Boeheim's been to the NIT two years in a row.Donovan has back to back NC's. ku and Self have to go 20 or so years between NC's.
If Rush, Arthur, and Chalmers all came back, ku wins back-to-back NC's also. LOL @ a K-State fan talking National Championships.
Boeheim has owned ku twice in huge games. Once to go to the final four, and once to win the National championship.....maybe look for a different coach to criticize, Ben.
He beat Roy in the '03 title game... needed a 14-point comeback to beat an inexperienced, rebuilding ku team. NIT two years in a row. Yeah, just incredible.
Boeheim's been to the NIT two years in a row.Donovan has back to back NC's. ku and Self have to go 20 or so years between NC's.
If Rush, Arthur, and Chalmers all came back, ku wins back-to-back NC's also. LOL @ a K-State fan talking National Championships.
Boeheim has owned ku twice in huge games. Once to go to the final four, and once to win the National championship.....maybe look for a different coach to criticize, Ben.
He beat Roy in the '03 title game... needed a 14-point comeback to beat an inexperienced, rebuilding ku team. NIT two years in a row. Yeah, just incredible.
11-25-08, so if Syracuse is an NIT team, what does that make ku? sit at home and watch the tourney team? plus all of syracuse's players on that '03 NC team were young as well. you have no argument for '03.
Boeheim's been to the NIT two years in a row.Donovan has back to back NC's. ku and Self have to go 20 or so years between NC's.
If Rush, Arthur, and Chalmers all came back, ku wins back-to-back NC's also. LOL @ a K-State fan talking National Championships.
Boeheim has owned ku twice in huge games. Once to go to the final four, and once to win the National championship.....maybe look for a different coach to criticize, Ben.
He beat Roy in the '03 title game... needed a 14-point comeback to beat an inexperienced, rebuilding ku team. NIT two years in a row. Yeah, just incredible.
11-25-08, so if Syracuse is an NIT team, what does that make ku? sit at home and watch the tourney team? plus all of syracuse's players on that '03 NC team were young as well. you have no argument for '03.
I'm sorry, man, but you don't know what the hell you're talking about half of the time. Syracuse went to the NIT in '07 and '08. I don't know what the '03 championship game has to do with Bill Self.
I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now. Never said they were an NIT team this season. Do you even watch college basketball?
Donovan was in the NIT last year. Roy's team lost to Self's team by 18 points in the Final Four last year. Calipari's team lost to Self's team in the Nat'l Championship last year. Howland and Calipari have never won a Nat'l Championship. Coach K? Talk about SNOWCOAT. Pitino? LMAO... they just lost to Western Kentucy by 14 points. Tom Izzo? Michigan State just lost to Maryland by 18 and UNC by 35.
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I'll summarize:
Donovan - NIT last season
Boeheim - NIT last season
Howland - never won a Nat'l title
Calipari - never won a Nat'l title
Williams - great coach, team lost to ku by 18 points in '08 Final Four
Coach K - great coach, probably the best in the country (loves himself some SNOWCOAT)
Calhoun - hasn't done much recently with all that talent
Izzo - has had some pretty "meh" teams lately
Matta - NIT last season
Bottom line... every coach has flaws. Every coach has had teams that struggled. Every coach has had teams that have been upset by a lesser team. K-State fans hold Bill Self to an impossibly high standard so when he fails you can act like the man can't coach. Just take a look at that list and you will understand how difficult it is to consistently compete for championships. Florida lost all five starters last season and look what happened.
I'll summarize:
Donovan - NIT last season
Boeheim - NIT last season
Howland - never won a Nat'l title
Calipari - never won a Nat'l title
Williams - great coach, team lost to ku by 18 points in '08 Final Four
Coach K - great coach, probably the best in the country (loves himself some SNOWCOAT)
Calhoun - hasn't done much recently with all that talent
Izzo - has had some pretty "meh" teams lately
Matta - NIT last season
Bottom line... every coach has flaws. Every coach has had teams that struggled. Every coach has had teams that have been upset by a lesser team. K-State fans hold Bill Self to an impossibly high standard so when he fails you can act like the man can't coach. Just take a look at that list and you will understand how difficult it is to consistently compete for championships. Florida lost all five starters last season and look what happened.
I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now. Never said they were an NIT team this season. Do you even watch college basketball?
so why base the last two seasons on BS being better than JB if i can't use this year's meeting? do you even watch college basketball? prbly too busy in your 'rec league'.
Moral Victory then?I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now. Never said they were an NIT team this season. Do you even watch college basketball?
so why base the last two seasons on BS being better than JB if i can't use this year's meeting? do you even watch college basketball? prbly too busy in your 'rec league'.
Look, the point is that Boeheim has been to the NIT two straight years. If that were the case for Bill Self, this wouldn't even be a discussion. As for the head-to-head, I don't think that this year's game decisively gives Boeheim the edge. Syracuse came back from 14 points down to send the game to overtime. Considering that Syracuse returned multiple starters from last year and is the more experienced team, while ku replaced five starters and brought back 4 scholarship players from last year, I'd give the edge to Self. JMO.
Donovan was in the NIT last year. Roy's team lost to Self's team by 18 points in the Final Four last year. Calipari's team lost to Self's team in the Nat'l Championship last year. Howland and Calipari have never won a Nat'l Championship. Coach K? Talk about SNOWCOAT. Pitino? LMAO... they just lost to Western Kentucy by 14 points. Tom Izzo? Michigan State just lost to Maryland by 18 and UNC by 35.
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this argument is terrible. you can't reference individual games that's idiotic and closed-minded. i don't care if you think self is in the top 5 but if you say he's a better coach than roy williams simply b/c he beat him last year, well that's just stupid. in my book the top 5 in no order are:
Roy/ Krzyzewski/ Pitino/ Calhoun/ Boeheim
These guys win with and without talent, something i'm not so sure if guys like cal or self could do.
I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now. Never said they were an NIT team this season. Do you even watch college basketball?
so why base the last two seasons on BS being better than JB if i can't use this year's meeting? do you even watch college basketball? prbly too busy in your 'rec league'.
Look, the point is that Boeheim has been to the NIT two straight years. If that were the case for Bill Self, this wouldn't even be a discussion. As for the head-to-head, I don't think that this year's game decisively gives Boeheim the edge. Syracuse came back from 14 points down to send the game to overtime. Considering that Syracuse returned multiple starters from last year and is the more experienced team, while ku replaced five starters and brought back 4 scholarship players from last year, I'd give the edge to Self. JMO.
I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now. Never said they were an NIT team this season. Do you even watch college basketball?
so why base the last two seasons on BS being better than JB if i can't use this year's meeting? do you even watch college basketball? prbly too busy in your 'rec league'.
Look, the point is that Boeheim has been to the NIT two straight years. If that were the case for Bill Self, this wouldn't even be a discussion. As for the head-to-head, I don't think that this year's game decisively gives Boeheim the edge. Syracuse came back from 14 points down to send the game to overtime. Considering that Syracuse returned multiple starters from last year and is the more experienced team, while ku replaced five starters and brought back 4 scholarship players from last year, I'd give the edge to Self. JMO.
I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now. Never said they were an NIT team this season. Do you even watch college basketball?
so why base the last two seasons on BS being better than JB if i can't use this year's meeting? do you even watch college basketball? prbly too busy in your 'rec league'.
Look, the point is that Boeheim has been to the NIT two straight years. If that were the case for Bill Self, this wouldn't even be a discussion. As for the head-to-head, I don't think that this year's game decisively gives Boeheim the edge. Syracuse came back from 14 points down to send the game to overtime. Considering that Syracuse returned multiple starters from last year and is the more experienced team, while ku replaced five starters and brought back 4 scholarship players from last year, I'd give the edge to Self. JMO.
Ben your reasoning for "better" active coaches is hilarious.
yes, self is so much better than the third winningest active coach who also has a NC. :blahblah:
I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now. Never said they were an NIT team this season. Do you even watch college basketball?
so why base the last two seasons on BS being better than JB if i can't use this year's meeting? do you even watch college basketball? prbly too busy in your 'rec league'.
Look, the point is that Boeheim has been to the NIT two straight years. If that were the case for Bill Self, this wouldn't even be a discussion. As for the head-to-head, I don't think that this year's game decisively gives Boeheim the edge. Syracuse came back from 14 points down to send the game to overtime. Considering that Syracuse returned multiple starters from last year and is the more experienced team, while ku replaced five starters and brought back 4 scholarship players from last year, I'd give the edge to Self. JMO.
Ben your reasoning for "better" active coaches is hilarious.
yes, self is so much better than the third winningest active coach who also has a NC. :blahblah:
He's coached for like 40 years. Of course he has more wins. Like I give a f*ck.
I completely agree with Ben.
oops! retraction. i just realized i was reading the last portion of all his posts that ends with "I'm getting pwn3d by All Big 12 linebacker Terry Pierce". sorry, i'll have to pay more attention next time.
...that are better than Bill Self. This should be good.
...that are better than Bill Self. This should be good.
Validate me ksufans.com . . . validate me!!
...that are better than Bill Self. This should be good.
Validate me ksufans.com . . . validate me!!
'Pad's right on cue with his usual validation bullsh*t.
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I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now. Never said they were an NIT team this season. Do you even watch college basketball?
so why base the last two seasons on BS being better than JB if i can't use this year's meeting? do you even watch college basketball? prbly too busy in your 'rec league'.
Look, the point is that Boeheim has been to the NIT two straight years. If that were the case for Bill Self, this wouldn't even be a discussion. As for the head-to-head, I don't think that this year's game decisively gives Boeheim the edge. Syracuse came back from 14 points down to send the game to overtime. Considering that Syracuse returned multiple starters from last year and is the more experienced team, while ku replaced five starters and brought back 4 scholarship players from last year, I'd give the edge to Self. JMO.
...that are better than Bill Self. This should be good.
Angry Ben . . . as per usual. :thumbsup:
'Pad's right on cue with his usual validation bullsh*t.
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Donovan was in the NIT last year. Roy's team lost to Self's team by 18 points in the Final Four last year. Calipari's team lost to Self's team in the Nat'l Championship last year. Howland and Calipari have never won a Nat'l Championship. Coach K? Talk about SNOWCOAT. Pitino? LMAO... they just lost to Western Kentucy by 14 points. Tom Izzo? Michigan State just lost to Maryland by 18 and UNC by 35.
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I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now. Never said they were an NIT team this season. Do you even watch college basketball?
I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now. Never said they were an NIT team this season. Do you even watch college basketball?
Jimmy B doesn't seem to keep a roster of McD AA's on hand...
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I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now. Never said they were an NIT team this season. Do you even watch college basketball?
Jimmy B doesn't seem to keep a roster of McD AA's on hand...
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Boeheim had three McD AA's last year: Donte Green, Johnny Flynn, and Eric Devendorf. ku had one more McD AA with Collins, Arthur, Aldrich, and Chalmers.
I simply pointed out that Syracuse has been to the NIT two years in a row now. Never said they were an NIT team this season. Do you even watch college basketball?
Jimmy B doesn't seem to keep a roster of McD AA's on hand...
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Boeheim had three McD AA's last year: Donte Green, Johnny Flynn, and Eric Devendorf. ku had one more McD AA with Collins, Arthur, Aldrich, and Chalmers. Both teams have the same amount this year (Flynn, Devendorf and Aldrich, Collins)
Donovan was in the NIT last year. Roy's team lost to Self's team by 18 points in the Final Four last year. Calipari's team lost to Self's team in the Nat'l Championship last year. Howland and Calipari have never won a Nat'l Championship. Coach K? Talk about SNOWCOAT. Pitino? LMAO... they just lost to Western Kentucy by 14 points. Tom Izzo? Michigan State just lost to Maryland by 18 and UNC by 35.
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So I guess going by yugojayhawks definition Frank is just as good of a coach as Bill
Self, after all they have split head to head and both were in the NCAA tourney last year.
All Self has done is win conference title after conference title, have the best winning percentage in the nation over his tenure at ku, and oh yeah the stat he leads all KSU coaches of all time in, National Championships: 1