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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: michigancat on September 16, 2006, 05:47:45 PM
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He played a very nice 3rd quarter, I thought.
His arm is not healthy.
Is he the worst KSU QB since ????(Pre-Chad May???)
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Right now he's probably the worst KSU QB since the late 80s but he's probably either playing hurt or never reocvered from the surgery. The first half was dismal and he had a few key errors in the second half that ended drives. With even an average QB we score 50 on Marshall today.
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Thoughts?
Not good.
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he had a bad first half, but i think he picked it up in the second half. i gotta give him a little credit though, ron prince just shouldn't have ran out all of our other qb's. He still sucks, but he's all we got at the moment
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Geez ... some of you apparently don't remember how bad some of KSU's QB's sucked in the 80's.
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So Dylan has been our quarterback for 3 games to mixed reviews and there's really been no proof that Prince wants to have Freeman in there. Everidge, Webb, and Lopina couldn't beat out this Dylan? Or could they foresee the future and knew they wouldn't get a chance in the future?
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Webb had a pretty good cast and he was pretty average at best. I think Meyer gets better when his pass protection get better. Same goes when they get the blocking down for the running game. He will have more time and teams will pay if they try to tee off on him. He got rushed a lot today. I will say how ever that I was dissapointed to see Everidge leave.With that said it be what it be. Should be interesting to see what new quarter back sign with K-state. :ksu:
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Webb had a pretty good cast and he was pretty average at best. I think Meyer gets better when his pass protection get better. Same goes when they get the blocking down for the running game. He will have more time and teams will pay if they try to tee off on him. He got rushed a lot today. I will say how ever that I was dissapointed to see Everidge leave.With that said it be what it be. Should be interesting to see what new quarter back sign with K-state. :ksu:
a lot of his overthrown passes could be contributed to the wind. if it isn't windy next week. he might complete a few..
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So Dylan has been our quarterback for 3 games to mixed reviews and there's really been no proof that Prince wants to have Freeman in there. Everidge, Webb, and Lopina couldn't beat out this Dylan? Or could they foresee the future and knew they wouldn't get a chance in the future?
Yeah, our offseaon qb moves make no sense.
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So Dylan has been our quarterback for 3 games to mixed reviews and there's really been no proof that Prince wants to have Freeman in there. Everidge, Webb, and Lopina couldn't beat out this Dylan? Or could they foresee the future and knew they wouldn't get a chance in the future?
mixed reviews? you mean there are people out there who think hes good? he sucks and until he doesnt suck we will have a crappy offense like we have had the first 3 games of the year. unless he pulls his head out of his ass against louisville we will lose b/c they can actually score points.
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19-35 256 and aTD ain't bad for a team that can't run the ball. He had a horrid second quarter, but played decently outside of that.
I don't think he's any worse than either of the guys we had last year.
Before that I'll reserve judgement for a couple of weeks, but I'm not sure that Kav was much better if at all.
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He sucks, but our O-line sucks way worse.
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If he had a power running game to work with and we quite playing chuck and duck, I think he'll be fine.
How bad is Freeman to not be playing?
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I'm not convinced the OL is worse than Dylan.
If he had a power running game to work with and we quite playing chuck and duck, I think he'll be fine.
How bad is Freeman to not be playing?
Um, that "chuck and duck" passing game is about all Dylan could complete. That five yard TE curl was as good as any running play....I had no problem with playcalling yesterday.
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I think our pass protection is 100% better than what it was in the Illinois State game. He had quite a bit of time to complete passes, IMO. Many of his balls were simply underthrown - or overthrown.
I'm not sold on Thomas Clayton, either. Our blocking could be alot better, but Clayton can't break tackles - period.
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I think our pass protection is 100% better than what it was in the Illinois State game. He had quite a bit of time to complete passes, IMO. Many of his balls were simply underthrown - or overthrown.
We're tied for 4th in the nation in sacks allowed! What O-Line problems?
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I think our pass protection is 100% better than what it was in the Illinois State game. He had quite a bit of time to complete passes, IMO. Many of his balls were simply underthrown - or overthrown.
We're tied for 4th in the nation in sacks allowed! What O-Line problems?
98th in passing efficiency. :yuck:
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/2006/Internet/ranking_summary/2006000000327.HTML
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Meier is AWFUL!!! :banghead:
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I'm not a big fan of Clayton. The o-line isn't good, but we need a back in there that can follow his blocks when they are there. Clayton constantly cuts back into trouble and yes, he can't break a tackle. I want to know what's up with Johnson. He must be horrendous at picking up blocks. Sure would be nice to see what he can do. Heck, I liked Petrie yesterday more than Clayton. As much as Prince likes to sub players I was surprised we didn't see Patton or Johnson yesterday. As much crap that KSU fans have given ku about Cornish, I'd take him in a heartbeat over what we've seen so far.
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I'm not sold on Thomas Clayton, either. Our blocking could be alot better, but Clayton can't break tackles - period
I have maintained this stance since conference play started last year, he is vastly overrated. He might as well quit football and start his career in bodybuilding because his strength is not functional.
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Agreed on Clayton, though I think some of you are starting to overestimate our O-line.
It really really blows.
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Agreed on Clayton, though I think some of you are starting to overestimate our O-line.
It really really blows.
No, not really. My assessment of the OL isn't much different from yours.
I just think Dylan's worse.
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Everyone talks about Clayton's power, that he's a strong back, but he just never seems to eithe punch the hole hard enough, or goes down the moment someone touches him.
The O-Line isn't that bad, and after watching Petrie take a few runs, there obviously is something Clayton isn't capable of doing. Clayton just needs to learn how to drive through the tackle attempts.
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Agreed on Clayton, though I think some of you are starting to overestimate our O-line.
It really really blows.
No, not really. My assessment of the OL isn't much different from yours.
I just think Dylan's worse.
Ah. Well, in my opinion, for Dylan's suckiness to be equivalent to the O-line's, he'd have to go 3-27 for 17 yards, 5 ints and no TDs. That's how bad I think our O-line is.
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Agreed on Clayton, though I think some of you are starting to overestimate our O-line.
It really really blows.
No, not really. My assessment of the OL isn't much different from yours.
I just think Dylan's worse.
Ah. Well, in my opinion, for Dylan's suckiness to be equivalent to the O-line's, he'd have to go 3-27 for 17 yards, 5 ints and no TDs. That's how bad I think our O-line is.
wow.
98th in passing efficiency, 70th in rushing, 4th in sacks allowed.
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It's just my opinion based on watching individual matchups at the line. They're getting beaten by players on these teams who have no business beating them.
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Since the thread started on Dylan and got whacked to Clayton.......Clayton is not a great RB but he's not bad either. The bottom line is he is the best we've got and one of the only RBs we've got that can block. Give him a break!! Go Cats!!
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It's just my opinion based on watching individual matchups at the line. They're getting beaten by players on these teams who have no business beating them.
I see. You prefer to make assessments based on perception rather than actual results.
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I trust kougar24's (computer science major) offensive line X's and O's analysis.
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Ha, shut up. :) Besides, I'm a terrible CS student.
Anyhoo, perhaps I am mistaken, and just expect too much from an O-line with an O-line guy for a head coach after 3 games against mostly weak opponents.
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Ha, shut up. :) Besides, I'm a terrible CS student.
No you are not.
btw: i'm retaking cis200 next semester. you should help me.
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If Webb were playing behind this oline, he wouldn't be doing anything, either. He'd be getting that deer-in-the-headlights look, then try to roll out to his blindside, get hit as he spun around, and fumble.
Jon Cornish wouldn't be doing much behind this oline, because he waits too long to pick his hole. Once he gets through the line, he has the burst to break the big one, but with a line that doesn't open holes, he'd be getting dropped for a loss, too.
The bottom line, as others have pointed out, is that our oline play is just bad, as it has been for the past couple of years. One would hope that with our oline specialist head coach, we'll see improvement in that area as we progress. With some good oline play, this team could make some noise in the North.
We should just be glad we don't have OU's line. They had to pull the redshirt off a freshman yesterday and play him. It's gonna be a long year for the Sooners.
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Jon Cornish
:love: :love:
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We're not 4th in sacks allowed because the OL is pass blocking well. We're 4th in sacks allowed because we're using lots of short drops and Meier is getting the ball off in time.
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We're not 4th in sacks allowed because the OL is pass blocking well. We're 4th in sacks allowed because we're using lots of short drops and Meier is getting the ball off in time.
So he's throwing the ball fast enough not to get sacked?
k.
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Is he the worst KSU QB since ????(Pre-Chad May???)
yes
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We're not 4th in sacks allowed because the OL is pass blocking well. We're 4th in sacks allowed because we're using lots of short drops and Meier is getting the ball off in time.
So he's throwing the ball fast enough not to get sacked?
k.
Exactly. He was under pressure a number of times yesterday on 3 step drops. That's pretty ridiculous.
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We're not 4th in sacks allowed because the OL is pass blocking well. We're 4th in sacks allowed because we're using lots of short drops and Meier is getting the ball off in time.
So he's throwing the ball fast enough not to get sacked?
k.
Exactly. He was under pressure a number of times yesterday on 3 step drops. That's pretty ridiculous.
That's more scheme problems than physical deficiencies, and should be more easily corrected. Dylan's wounded ducks are physical.
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We're not 4th in sacks allowed because the OL is pass blocking well. We're 4th in sacks allowed because we're using lots of short drops and Meier is getting the ball off in time.
So he's throwing the ball fast enough not to get sacked?
k.
Exactly. He was under pressure a number of times yesterday on 3 step drops. That's pretty ridiculous.
That's more scheme problems than physical deficiencies, and should be more easily corrected. Dylan's wounded ducks are physical.
But see, right now, those OL deficiencies are there. Currently Meier is outperforming the OL by a mile.
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We're not 4th in sacks allowed because the OL is pass blocking well. We're 4th in sacks allowed because we're using lots of short drops and Meier is getting the ball off in time.
So he's throwing the ball fast enough not to get sacked?
k.
Exactly. He was under pressure a number of times yesterday on 3 step drops. That's pretty ridiculous.
That's more scheme problems than physical deficiencies, and should be more easily corrected. Dylan's wounded ducks are physical.
But see, right now, those OL deficiencies are there. Currently Meier is outperforming the OL by a mile.
No. Both have major problems. OL is more easily corrected. Meier has a limp noodle for an arm.
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We're not 4th in sacks allowed because the OL is pass blocking well. We're 4th in sacks allowed because we're using lots of short drops and Meier is getting the ball off in time.
So he's throwing the ball fast enough not to get sacked?
k.
Exactly. He was under pressure a number of times yesterday on 3 step drops. That's pretty ridiculous.
That's more scheme problems than physical deficiencies, and should be more easily corrected. Dylan's wounded ducks are physical.
But see, right now, those OL deficiencies are there. Currently Meier is outperforming the OL by a mile.
No. Both have major problems. OL is more easily corrected. Meier has a limp noodle for an arm.
Yesterday Meier went 19-35-256-1-1. That's not bad.
I'd have to chart it to give you a number, and I'm not going to, but the number of knockdowns allowed by the OL on a QB that wasn't holding the ball was bad.
We gained 99 yards on 27 caries. That is pretty bad.
Again, right now Meier is out-performing the OL.
You seem to think that by the end of the year that will change. I think you're being too optimistic about the OL.
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We're not 4th in sacks allowed because the OL is pass blocking well. We're 4th in sacks allowed because we're using lots of short drops and Meier is getting the ball off in time.
So he's throwing the ball fast enough not to get sacked?
k.
Exactly. He was under pressure a number of times yesterday on 3 step drops. That's pretty ridiculous.
That's more scheme problems than physical deficiencies, and should be more easily corrected. Dylan's wounded ducks are physical.
But see, right now, those OL deficiencies are there. Currently Meier is outperforming the OL by a mile.
No. Both have major problems. OL is more easily corrected. Meier has a limp noodle for an arm.
O Line won't be solved until these guys play in the system another year. We probably only have Dylan for this year. I doubt we get him for another. Freeman needs to step up his play and get ready to outperform everyone.
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I think the OL has much more potential to improve (this year) than Dylan. He's just physically limited right now.
Either way, this is like arguing whether or not the 87 KSU team was worse than the 88 team. Both are really, really bad.
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I think the OL has much more potential to improve (this year) than Dylan. He's just physically limited right now.
Either way, this is like arguing whether or not the 87 KSU team was worse than the 88 team. Both are really, really bad.
Really? You think that this is the same level of argument of the 87, 88 team? You ever see one of those teams?
Re: Dylan, Is it because he's physically limited or is it because of the system? I tend to think it's more of the system. I could see whether it might be still is recovering his strength, but he can throw the ball the distance, and his rollout pass to Moriera where he threw on the run was a beautiful throw. Ducks happen from time to time, but I don't know what his duck to good throw ratio is.
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Let's hope they actually make a competition out of who improves more.
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Let's hope they actually make a competition out of who improves more.
As long as we keep winning, then I think that's good.
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19-35-256-1-1in a win over Marshall isn't anywhere close to 1987 or 1988 bad. As bad as the OL is, it's not 1987, 1988 bad.
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Ha, shut up. :) Besides, I'm a terrible CS student.
Anyhoo, perhaps I am mistaken, and just expect too much from an O-line with an O-line guy for a head coach after 3 games against mostly weak opponents.
Prince can only work with the talent he inherited. If you don't like the O-Line talent you might want to think about giving Billy a call.
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Ha, shut up. :) Besides, I'm a terrible CS student.
Anyhoo, perhaps I am mistaken, and just expect too much from an O-line with an O-line guy for a head coach after 3 games against mostly weak opponents.
Prince can only work with the talent he inherited. If you don't like the O-Line talent you might want to think about giving Billy a call.
I realize. But I'd like to see more noticeable work being done with 'em.
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19-35-256-1-1in a win over Marshall isn't anywhere close to 1987 or 1988 bad. As bad as the OL is, it's not 1987, 1988 bad.
I think the OL has much more potential to improve (this year) than Dylan. He's just physically limited right now.
Either way, this is like arguing whether or not the 87 KSU team was worse than the 88 team. Both are really, really bad.
Really? You think that this is the same level of argument of the 87, 88 team? You ever see one of those teams?
Re: Dylan, Is it because he's physically limited or is it because of the system? I tend to think it's more of the system. I could see whether it might be still is recovering his strength, but he can throw the ball the distance, and his rollout pass to Moriera where he threw on the run was a beautiful throw. Ducks happen from time to time, but I don't know what his duck to good throw ratio is.
Christ, you two are the queens of the literal.
I think the OL has much more potential to improve (this year) than Dylan. He's just physically limited right now.
Either way, this is like arguing whether or not the 87 KSU team was worse than the 88 team. Both are really, really bad.
Re: Dylan, Is it because he's physically limited or is it because of the system? I tend to think it's more of the system. I could see whether it might be still is recovering his strength, but he can throw the ball the distance, and his rollout pass to Moriera where he threw on the run was a beautiful throw. Ducks happen from time to time, but I don't know what his duck to good throw ratio is.
I think it's all physical. The system gave him wide open receivers all game. He can't throw the ball with distance consistently. He made a ton of bad throws...Receivers pretty much caught everything in their vicinity, once again. So his good pass to bad pass ratio was about 19:12 when you consider a few throw-aways under pressure.
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I'll work hard on my sense of ironic detachment so I won't embarass this board.
As for Meier's performance.
I see. You prefer to make assessments based on perception rather than actual results.
19-35-256.
Meier wasn't anywher near as bad as what you're implying in this thread.
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19-35-256-1-1in a win over Marshall isn't anywhere close to 1987 or 1988 bad. As bad as the OL is, it's not 1987, 1988 bad.
I think the OL has much more potential to improve (this year) than Dylan. He's just physically limited right now.
Either way, this is like arguing whether or not the 87 KSU team was worse than the 88 team. Both are really, really bad.
Really? You think that this is the same level of argument of the 87, 88 team? You ever see one of those teams?
Re: Dylan, Is it because he's physically limited or is it because of the system? I tend to think it's more of the system. I could see whether it might be still is recovering his strength, but he can throw the ball the distance, and his rollout pass to Moriera where he threw on the run was a beautiful throw. Ducks happen from time to time, but I don't know what his duck to good throw ratio is.
Christ, you two are the queens of the literal.
Queen of the literal? LOL!! You're the one whining about Dylan's throwing arm being a noodle. Talk about overexaggerating like a woman.
I think the OL has much more potential to improve (this year) than Dylan. He's just physically limited right now.
Either way, this is like arguing whether or not the 87 KSU team was worse than the 88 team. Both are really, really bad.
Re: Dylan, Is it because he's physically limited or is it because of the system? I tend to think it's more of the system. I could see whether it might be still is recovering his strength, but he can throw the ball the distance, and his rollout pass to Moriera where he threw on the run was a beautiful throw. Ducks happen from time to time, but I don't know what his duck to good throw ratio is.
I think it's all physical. The system gave him wide open receivers all game. He can't throw the ball with distance consistently. He made a ton of bad throws...Receivers pretty much caught everything in their vicinity, once again. So his good pass to bad pass ratio was about 19:12 when you consider a few throw-aways under pressure.
Geezus.. Now it's about throwaways and hurries along with ducks. Is there anything you can do to shore up your noodle arm argument?
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I'll work hard on my sense of ironic detachment so I won't embarass this board.
As for Meier's performance.
I see. You prefer to make assessments based on perception rather than actual results.
19-35-256.
Meier wasn't anywher near as bad as what you're implying in this thread.
Congrats for Dylan for almost matching the numbers of Hofstra QB Anton Clarkson vs. Marshall: 49-25, 256 2TD, 0INT*
*sacked 6 times
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Geezus.. Now it's about throwaways and hurries along with ducks. Is there anything you can do to shore up your noodle arm argument?
I'm giving Dylan some credit...not all his incompletions were due to him trying to one-hop passes to receivers, although most were. Watch the game. He can't throw. I don't think he's recovered from his injury.
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Geezus.. Now it's about throwaways and hurries along with ducks. Is there anything you can do to shore up your noodle arm argument?
I'm giving Dylan some credit...not all his incompletions were due to him trying to one-hop passes to receivers, although most were. Watch the game. He can't throw. I don't think he's recovered from his injury.
I did watch the game. He's got a pretty soft touch for a QB but he can also throw it with decent velocity. He seems to understand how to get it to the receivers. I would speculate that at best he's just an average QB in the college system as he doesn't have standout numbers, but that's just a product of this system.
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O Line won't be solved until these guys play in the system another year.
Try another 2-3 years. OL is an area where you really have to build from the ground up, you can't just plug in a few solid recruits and expect them to perform well as a unit. Plus Prince seems to be recruiting a different physical type than did Snyder so that's going to take a bit of time to work as well.
And let's hope we don't get stuck with Meier for another year. Prince might be tempted to play him again. :yuck:
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O Line won't be solved until these guys play in the system another year.
Try another 2-3 years. OL is an area where you really have to build from the ground up, you can't just plug in a few solid recruits and expect them to perform well as a unit. Plus Prince seems to be recruiting a different physical type than did Snyder so that's going to take a bit of time to work as well.
And let's hope we don't get stuck with Meier for another year. Prince might be tempted to play him again. :yuck:
Eh, maybe. As young and as highly gifted as most of these recruits are they should be able to absorb a much simpler system than Snyder's. The check off's in Snyder's system were numerous and complex.
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Meier is obviously superior to Evridge, Webb, and Lopina. They saw this and left. We all know Freeman isn't ready.
Dylan Meier is a stud and I think its time you all come to terms with that. No one else can drive away three quarterbacks because he's just so awesome.
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Meier is obviously superior to Evridge, Webb, and Lopina. They saw this and left. We all know Freeman isn't ready.
Dylan Meier is a stud and I think its time you all come to terms with that. No one else can drive away three quarterbacks because he's just so awesome.
That was horrible.
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I tried.
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Meier is obviously superior to Evridge, Webb, and Lopina. They saw this and left. We all know Freeman isn't ready.
Dylan Meier is a stud and I think its time you all come to terms with that. No one else can drive away three quarterbacks because he's just so awesome.
Goldy, is this optimism appearing because you know you have 4 seasons of Meier on the horizon?
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Brick is cranking up his sarcasm in hopes of drowning out his despair over ku losing to a god-awful Toledo team.
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Who's Toledo?
Did they have a win before ku played them?
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Who's Toledo?
"...god-awful...team."
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Who's Toledo?
"...god-awful...team."
Oh my. To be a ku fan now.
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Brick is cranking up his sarcasm in hopes of drowning out his despair over ku losing to a god-awful Toledo team.
Its not near as bad as people are making it out to be.
It was a road game. Statistically we dominated them. Our own turnovers cost us the game. Turnovers = correctable.
2-1 ain't bad and even before the season started I knew the Toledo game would be up in the air.
Lots of season left to play. :lick: Good luck against Louisville's second string.
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ku fans should find solice in knowing that their team isn't as bad as their coaching.