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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: Kat Kid on September 07, 2008, 11:48:44 AM
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Outside of Freeman turning into Johnathon Beasley, we don't have anyone that went for 4 yards a carry against a 1aa. Let the suck sink in.
Conversely, the receivers are pretty fantastic. Do we know when Murphy is back full speed?
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Yeah, the lack of a legit 1aa talent at RB is going to hurt pretty bad come conference play.
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Very vanilla, but still not good, Valentine was terrible on the rare occasion he actually got to the 2nd level.
The only back that looked like they have real potential is Woods.
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I just want to add that RB recruiting is way overrated, anybody can play that position.
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Very vanilla, but still not good, Valentine was terrible on the rare occasion he actually got to the 2nd level.
The only back that looked like they have real potential is Woods.
I agree wholeheartedly with the vanilla scone part, but isn't that kind of the point? Vanilla vs. D1aa should be rolling them for 5ypc+ with a retard running straight to the whole and falling over. I don't think this is necessarily all a o-line issue, but they certainly end up looking like much better pass blockers even when considering the enormous disparity in talent between the two skill positions. I think we should all prepare ourselves to look like the Philly Eagles when Westbrook goes down. This is going to be a goofy amount of passing. The fact that Freems has figured out the Beasley bowl is a major positive. He's the only I would trust inside the 5 or to pick up a 3rd/4th and short at this point.
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i wonder if they know they suck? I mean, for our LG, C, RG, and RT it's at least like year 3 of them playing (and sucking) you'd have to think that by now they realize they're terrible at being an offensive lineman.
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they were selling out on the run, it won't be good this year but not as bad as it looked sat. big 12 teams will respect the pass more.
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i wonder if they know they suck? I mean, for our LG, C, RG, and RT it's at least like year 3 of them playing (and sucking) you'd have to think that by now they realize they're terrible at being an offensive lineman.
Honestly, I think this is part of it, but our RB's are terrible. Just awful. The white dude runs hard which is cool, but it is mostly because he runs standing straight up and doesn't cut much. Our o-line is questionable in the run game, but I think this is a ton about the inability of our rb's to recognize or hit a hole let alone make a cut, make people miss, etc.
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i wonder if they know they suck? I mean, for our LG, C, RG, and RT it's at least like year 3 of them playing (and sucking) you'd have to think that by now they realize they're terrible at being an offensive lineman.
Honestly, I think this is part of it, but our RB's are terrible. Just awful. The white dude runs hard which is cool, but it is mostly because he runs standing straight up and doesn't cut much. Our o-line is questionable in the run game, but I think this is a ton about the inability of our rb's to recognize or hit a hole let alone make a cut, make people miss, etc.
I think valentine has decent vision. but having 2 inexperienced and margianally(?) talented rb's will hurt us this year.
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margianally(?) talented rb's
Gross exageration of our RB talent imo.
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margianally(?) talented rb's
Gross exageration of our RB talent imo.
i'm a homer.
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Reverses count as runs, s'all good.
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WhyTF can't LP get the frack back on the team? So what, he stole a few video games? Am I missing something else..did he rape and murder 20 coeds that I'm not aware of? Our running backs position is ungodly embarrassing. 1AA talent at any position is unacceptable and that's exactly what we got right now. F'n ridic Ron.
:curse: :angry: :flush: :runaway: crap hitting fan :suicideispainless: ;)
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they were selling out on the run, it won't be good this year but not as bad as it looked sat. big 12 teams will respect the pass more.
Bingo.
MSU asked to get shredded by Freeman by playing man coverage and 8 in the box. Nearly all of our run plays were out of a 2 TE set. Pretty easy to see coming. I'm not sure why MSU would throw in the towel and surrender to our pass attack or maybe they actually thought their CB's are that good.? Hmmm...not sure. I am sure that Freeman could complete a 10 yard pass play whenever he felt like it. Also, Lamark is developing into (dare I say) an NFL type WR. Very fluid, made some tough grabs while being thumped, and was very hard to bring down. Let's cease and desist this "L.B. to linebacker" stuff here and now please. The d00d is showing some serious upside. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
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Do we have any other DB's that can be converted to RB???
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WhyTF can't LP get the frack back on the team? So what, he stole a few video games? Am I missing something else..did he rape and murder 20 coeds that I'm not aware of? Our running backs position is ungodly embarrassing. 1AA talent at any position is unacceptable and that's exactly what we got right now. F'n ridic Ron.
Kept old tags on car when he bought it and racked thousands of dollars in parking tickets....
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WhyTF can't LP get the frack back on the team? So what, he stole a few video games? Am I missing something else..did he rape and murder 20 coeds that I'm not aware of? Our running backs position is ungodly embarrassing. 1AA talent at any position is unacceptable and that's exactly what we got right now. F'n ridic Ron.
Kept old tags on car when he bought it and racked thousands of dollars in parking tickets....
who doesn't at KSU? the first part's not so good. 5 game suspension seems adequate
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WhyTF can't LP get the frack back on the team? So what, he stole a few video games? Am I missing something else..did he rape and murder 20 coeds that I'm not aware of? Our running backs position is ungodly embarrassing. 1AA talent at any position is unacceptable and that's exactly what we got right now. F'n ridic Ron.
Kept old tags on car when he bought it and racked thousands of dollars in parking tickets....
I'll give you a hint: It's worse than video games and parking tickets, but less than killing two babies.
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Leon Patton just needs to shake it off and get back on the team.
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Leon Patton just needs to shake it off and get back on the team.
Agreed. Sometimes these obstacles in life are like whiplash. Just have to keep your head on strait, and stable.
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I'll give you a hint: It's worse than video games and parking tickets, but less than killing two babies.
LOL (feel bad) LOL
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Just saying, Leon Patton is really not light years better than Keithen Valentine.
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Just saying, Leon Patton is really not light years better than Keithen Valentine.
:rolleyes: :jerkoff:
Leon is 10 kazillion light years better than Valentine.
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I feel so spoiled for ripping on Thomas Clayton.
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Just saying, Leon Patton is really not light years better than Keithen Valentine.
:rolleyes: :jerkoff:
Leon is 10 kazillion light years better than Valentine.
Convince me.
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Just saying, Leon Patton is really not light years better than Keithen Valentine.
:rolleyes: :jerkoff:
Leon is 10 kazillion light years better than Valentine.
Convince me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRi05ubQ-I
any other ?s
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Just saying, Leon Patton is really not light years better than Keithen Valentine.
:rolleyes: :jerkoff:
Leon is 10 kazillion light years better than Valentine.
Convince me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRi05ubQ-I
any other ?s
Just a sexy vid. Leon didn't do anything at all last year, IMO,IIRC, FWIW.
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leon isnt 10 kazillion but he is quite a bit better imo. prolly would have demolished that 3.0 ypc(or w/e it is now) that keithen is carrying around right now.
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leon isnt 10 kazillion but he is quite a bit better imo. prolly would have demolished that 3.0 ypc(or w/e it is now) that keithen is carrying around right now.
Probably, might be like 3.8.
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Leon Patton just needs to shake it off and get back on the team
Wow..just wow. Extremely clever but still..just wow
The only chains Leon will be moving is on a chaingang... :mad:
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Very vanilla, but still not good, Valentine was terrible on the rare occasion he actually got to the 2nd level.
The only back that looked like they have real potential is Woods.
I agree wholeheartedly with the vanilla scone part, but isn't that kind of the point? Vanilla vs. D1aa should be rolling them for 5ypc+ with a retard running straight to the whole and falling over. I don't think this is necessarily all a o-line issue, but they certainly end up looking like much better pass blockers even when considering the enormous disparity in talent between the two skill positions. I think we should all prepare ourselves to look like the Philly Eagles when Westbrook goes down. This is going to be a goofy amount of passing. The fact that Freems has figured out the Beasley bowl is a major positive. He's the only I would trust inside the 5 or to pick up a 3rd/4th and short at this point.
Our base running game is very vanilla anyway, consisting of inside/outside zone with an occasional trap. And I think for the most part the offensive line is solid, I just don't know if Valentine or Dold are very good zone backs. Those guys have to be good at reading blocks, quick decision makers, and able to burst when the opportunity presents itself and I really don't see that. And it hurts that those guys aren't going to break 20+ yard gains b/c at the end of the day that's often what gets good backs to 4-5 YPC. When "breaking it" is only going to get you to a 15 yard gain its not good for your YPC or your running game in general.
I do have to give Prince/Brock credit for implimenting some QB run game. No reason any college QB shouldn't use it b/c it puts so much pressure on the defense. And no doubt Freeman can handle it, even if its 5-10 attempts per game. With our RB situation, we're going to need it. We don't have to run the ball at a 5 YPC clip and get 150+ per game to be a 7-8 win team this year, but we will need to average between 3-4 YPC and get around 80 to 100. You have to at least have enough to force the defense to keep even numbers in the box.
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Just sayin'...DOD running game was pretty weak pre-Scobey...just sayin'.
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Just sayin'...DOD running game was pretty weak pre-Scobey...just sayin'.
And the early results would indicate this line, WR corp, and QB would compare favorably with any of those groups. IMHO. But it is early, next Wed will give us a little better indication.
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Louisville has a very average defense that will likely respect the pass enough that there should be running opportunities.
If we run 25 times for 64 yds, I'm worried.
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Just sayin'...DOD running game was pretty weak pre-Scobey...just sayin'.
Hickson averaged 5 per on his career, better than Scobey.
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Very vanilla, but still not good, Valentine was terrible on the rare occasion he actually got to the 2nd level.
The only back that looked like they have real potential is Woods.
I agree wholeheartedly with the vanilla scone part, but isn't that kind of the point? Vanilla vs. D1aa should be rolling them for 5ypc+ with a retard running straight to the whole and falling over. I don't think this is necessarily all a o-line issue, but they certainly end up looking like much better pass blockers even when considering the enormous disparity in talent between the two skill positions. I think we should all prepare ourselves to look like the Philly Eagles when Westbrook goes down. This is going to be a goofy amount of passing. The fact that Freems has figured out the Beasley bowl is a major positive. He's the only I would trust inside the 5 or to pick up a 3rd/4th and short at this point.
Our base running game is very vanilla anyway, consisting of inside/outside zone with an occasional trap. And I think for the most part the offensive line is solid, I just don't know if Valentine or Dold are very good zone backs. Those guys have to be good at reading blocks, quick decision makers, and able to burst when the opportunity presents itself and I really don't see that. And it hurts that those guys aren't going to break 20+ yard gains b/c at the end of the day that's often what gets good backs to 4-5 YPC. When "breaking it" is only going to get you to a 15 yard gain its not good for your YPC or your running game in general.
I do have to give Prince/Brock credit for implimenting some QB run game. No reason any college QB shouldn't use it b/c it puts so much pressure on the defense. And no doubt Freeman can handle it, even if its 5-10 attempts per game. With our RB situation, we're going to need it. We don't have to run the ball at a 5 YPC clip and get 150+ per game to be a 7-8 win team this year, but we will need to average between 3-4 YPC and get around 80 to 100. You have to at least have enough to force the defense to keep even numbers in the box.
I would say our entire run game. We should really do more RB draws to get lanes for these backs. And probably more traps/counters. Give them angles to work with.
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Abandon the run - FIRE AWAY FREEMS (Godlike)!
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Just sayin'...DOD running game was pretty weak pre-Scobey...just sayin'.
Hickson averaged 5 per on his career, better than Scobey.
But he rarely had big games against good teams.
Not very dominant.
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Very vanilla, but still not good, Valentine was terrible on the rare occasion he actually got to the 2nd level.
The only back that looked like they have real potential is Woods.
I agree wholeheartedly with the vanilla scone part, but isn't that kind of the point? Vanilla vs. D1aa should be rolling them for 5ypc+ with a retard running straight to the whole and falling over. I don't think this is necessarily all a o-line issue, but they certainly end up looking like much better pass blockers even when considering the enormous disparity in talent between the two skill positions. I think we should all prepare ourselves to look like the Philly Eagles when Westbrook goes down. This is going to be a goofy amount of passing. The fact that Freems has figured out the Beasley bowl is a major positive. He's the only I would trust inside the 5 or to pick up a 3rd/4th and short at this point.
Our base running game is very vanilla anyway, consisting of inside/outside zone with an occasional trap. And I think for the most part the offensive line is solid, I just don't know if Valentine or Dold are very good zone backs. Those guys have to be good at reading blocks, quick decision makers, and able to burst when the opportunity presents itself and I really don't see that. And it hurts that those guys aren't going to break 20+ yard gains b/c at the end of the day that's often what gets good backs to 4-5 YPC. When "breaking it" is only going to get you to a 15 yard gain its not good for your YPC or your running game in general.
I do have to give Prince/Brock credit for implimenting some QB run game. No reason any college QB shouldn't use it b/c it puts so much pressure on the defense. And no doubt Freeman can handle it, even if its 5-10 attempts per game. With our RB situation, we're going to need it. We don't have to run the ball at a 5 YPC clip and get 150+ per game to be a 7-8 win team this year, but we will need to average between 3-4 YPC and get around 80 to 100. You have to at least have enough to force the defense to keep even numbers in the box.
I would say our entire run game. We should really do more RB draws to get lanes for these backs. And probably more traps/counters. Give them angles to work with.
I'm including reverses and the newly added QB run game as "secondary" parts of our run game, but our base is the zone stuff and some traps with occasional counters. Really if you run zone well you don't need a lot of other stuff, but whether it be on our offensive line or our backs (and I lean toward the backs being the problem) we are not running zone even as well as we did last year. We run reverses enough that they are a pretty key part of our running game. I am a bit surprised that we don't run any RB draws, but its never been part of Prince's run game and it wasn't something Snyder did either.
Angles may help these guys, but from what I've seen neither has enough burst or speed to be more than a servicable back-up at this level. Dold could develop into more of course, but he's got a way to go. I respect Valentine and what he's been able to accomplish, but there is a reason he didn't draw any BCS offers either out of HS or JUCO. Great kid to have as a back-up, but IMO he's basically another player like Terry Petrie from the last couple of years, but in his case the guys that should be ahead of him either didn't make it, haven't developed, or aren't playing b/c of poor decisions they made off the field.
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Just sayin'...DOD running game was pretty weak pre-Scobey...just sayin'.
Hickson averaged 5 per on his career, better than Scobey.
But he rarely had big games against good teams.
Not very dominant.
a) Hickson is better than any back we have right now, but I agree he wasn't a dominant, gamebreaking back.
b) Hickson's best years were when he was able to play off a running QB, especially with Bishop, to take off some of the pressure and open running lanes for him. So that makes it even a tougher comparison.
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Our run game under Prince has been extremely vanilla and always has been. I think we talked about this in '06 that it was like Prince was running an offense you'd see when you have the best players and could just do whatever you liked. The OL run blocking, while not as bad as the RB running, is bad. They reach to block a lot. I meant angles for OL, not the RB's. The RB draw,considering how well we can pass, should be a staple in this offense.
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a) Hickson is better than any back we have right now, but I agree he wasn't a dominant, gamebreaking back.
As a junior/senior with a stellar O-line and well established offensive system.
b) Hickson's best years were when he was able to play off a running QB, especially with Bishop, to take off some of the pressure and open running lanes for him. So that makes it even a tougher comparison.
Best years? The entirety of his production as well as the other DOD backs was completely dependent upon the QB run game and an experienced O-line. See: Sproles for Heisman 2004.
Don't try to make our past RB's into something they weren't.
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Just sayin'...DOD running game was pretty weak pre-Scobey...just sayin'.
Hickson averaged 5 per on his career, better than Scobey.
But he rarely had big games against good teams.
Not very dominant.
a) Hickson is better than any back we have right now, but I agree he wasn't a dominant, gamebreaking back.
b) Hickson's best years were when he was able to play off a running QB, especially with Bishop, to take off some of the pressure and open running lanes for him. So that makes it even a tougher comparison.
I was talking more in ground game in general as opposed to a specific back. Any running back in history is better than what we have now.
The line up and run over people mentality didn't really come into play until later. <-This is more of what I was referring to.
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and there were a couple rb draws sat.
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and there were a couple rb draws sat.
I know. And they got some good yardage. Should probably be called more often, imo.
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and there were a couple rb draws sat.
I know. And they got some good yardage. Should probably be called more often, imo.
well. Maybe with Carson. Tough to imagine the first team "o" doing any better...in either game.
Carson's "o" was kind of difficult to achieve balance when the strategy was "let's see if we can run when they know we are going to run".
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and there were a couple rb draws sat.
I know. And they got some good yardage. Should probably be called more often, imo.
well. Maybe with Carson. Tough to imagine the first team "o" doing any better...in either game.
Carson's "o" was kind of difficult to achieve balance when the strategy was "let's see if we can run when they know we are going to run".
against better teams, we're going to have to figure out a way to run the ball effectively, the draw will do that because it will help with the pass rush.
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and there were a couple rb draws sat.
I know. And they got some good yardage. Should probably be called more often, imo.
well. Maybe with Carson. Tough to imagine the first team "o" doing any better...in either game.
Carson's "o" was kind of difficult to achieve balance when the strategy was "let's see if we can run when they know we are going to run".
against better teams, we're going to have to figure out a way to run the ball effectively, the draw will do that because it will help with the pass rush.
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Yeah, this is a good point. Running some draws could help with pass rush.
I'm just most pleased that we are running Freeman some.
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Biggest concern is going to be protecting a lead. I think we'll have a decent run game when it's secondary to our passing. Unfortunately, we'll have to be a pass first team, even when leading late in the game. We'll never be able to line up and run for first downs when they are expecting it. Not this year at least. 4th quarters are going to be nerve wracking.
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I sit in the endzone and have a pretty good vantage point to see holes, blocking, etc. I would say 3 out of every 5 run plays there was 2 DL or LB in the backfield and very few RBs not named D. Sproles could have done anything with that kind of blocking. The RBs suck, but the run blocking is v. pathetic imHo.
Just like in RPs first 2 years, they will have to use the short pass game to Lamark, Banks, and co. to substitute the run game. Not all bad, but as pointed out holding on to a lead with that kind of attack can be :ohno:
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Just sayin'...DOD running game was pretty weak pre-Scobey...just sayin'.
Hickson averaged 5 per on his career, better than Scobey.
But he rarely had big games against good teams.
Not very dominant.
maybe if Hickson wasn't injured @ end of '98 bishop isn't carrying the ball on that fumble against A&M.
:crybaby:
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Just sayin'...DOD running game was pretty weak pre-Scobey...just sayin'.
Hickson averaged 5 per on his career, better than Scobey.
But he rarely had big games against good teams.
Not very dominant.
maybe if Hickson wasn't injured @ end of '98 bishop isn't carrying the ball on that fumble against A&M.
:crybaby:
DON'T SPEAK OF THAT :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby:
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and there were a couple rb draws sat.
I know. And they got some good yardage. Should probably be called more often, imo.
well. Maybe with Carson. Tough to imagine the first team "o" doing any better...in either game.
Carson's "o" was kind of difficult to achieve balance when the strategy was "let's see if we can run when they know we are going to run".
against better teams, we're going to have to figure out a way to run the ball effectively, the draw will do that because it will help with the pass rush.
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Yeah, this is a good point. Running some draws could help with pass rush.
I'm just most pleased that we are running Freeman some.
until freems breaks his hand on a facemask.
snyder tard.