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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on August 10, 2006, 11:15:53 AM
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AE, what a pussy.
Now don't get me wrong, I appreciate what he did for KSU by and large and I hate to seem him go.
But what's with this ... "Oh, oh, I am not getting exactly what I want right now so I am just going to transfer" crap??
A little note to AE, if you happen to end up at a BCS school, or pretty much any D1 school, you aren't gonna walk in and just be handed the job. And if he's leaving because he thought Freeman was "promised" something, which may very well be the case ... why not stick around for the year and at least see how it plays out??
What happened to the "team" concept.
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I wonder if AE would have been happy as the backup? Or was it starter or bust?
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AE, what a pussy.
Now don't get me wrong, I appreciate what he did for KSU by and large and I hate to seem him go.
But what's with this ... "Oh, oh, I am not getting exactly what I want right now so I am just going to transfer" crap??
A little note to AE, if you happen to end up at a BCS school, or pretty much any D1 school, you aren't gonna walk in and just be handed the job. And if he's leaving because he thought Freeman was "promised" something, which may very well be the case ... why not stick around for the year and at least see how it plays out??
What happened to the "team" concept.
I'd also add that I think it's pretty bush league if Prince told him to "Sleep on it" and then cleaned out his locker ... WTF??
But still, it doesn't keep my from wondering about what I sense is an "I" attitude with this guy.
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if your gonna transfer don't do it 4 days into f^cking fall practice
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it would suck going from starter to scout team qb
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It sounds like he was pissed that he was told he would be given a chance to win the job...spent all summer working out..and had magically been made the scout team QB before one snap of fall practice...then got like 1 or 2 snaps in said first practice.
I'd be pissed off too..no one with integrity lies to a player like that...
Unless Freeman is unbelievably good, he should be the Scout Team QB this year as a RS Freshman...Sorry, but Ronnie can't afford a losing season...so Josh better be all he's cracked up to be and the OL better be decent...
We'll see how "scary smart" this decision looks in a few months.
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Is it so hard to believe that a depthchart of Meier/Freeman/Evridge could have been accurate?
The guy had over 200 attempts last year and only threw 6 TDs. And it's not like the running game was eating up all the TDs.
If Webb hadn't left, I would have had Evridge fourth on the depth chart.
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Before a single practice?
Yes.
It sounds like RP is better at wowing media and fans than he is at convincing his own players to stick around...
Sorry, but not having a legit scout team QB, and losing a person with the intelligence and character of AE hurts...no way to spin it.
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does this graph help explain your feelings nation?
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d101/ds43fan/8ec01251.jpg)
:shy:
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Perhaps....if I could read it.
:)
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It sounds like he was pissed that he was told he would be given a chance to win the job...spent all summer working out..and had magically been made the scout team QB before one snap of fall practice...then got like 1 or 2 snaps in said first practice.
I'd be pissed off too..no one with integrity lies to a player like that...
I'd say Wildcat Nation has some pretty accurate info.
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Perhaps....if I could read it.
:)
lol fixed it
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Before a single practice?
Yes.
Well, darn good thing it didn't happen before a single practice.
Guess who was one of two starting QBs in the Spring Game? That's right, Evridge.
After watching all the Spring practices, and any other improvements over the summer, AE got passed by one player on the depth chart.
That's what happened.
Now what is so unreasonable about that?
And please leave any man-crush you have for AE out of the conversation.
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At least we have a couple of QB's recruited for next year...you know the ones that fit Prince's new system better.... :confused:
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If that's the case...be honest with the player...don't say to work your ass off this summer because you're gonna be competing for the starting job in August....then have him show up and hold a clipboard.
Yes, there is always a depth chart, but it sounds like the decision has been made to me...
I'm not surprised, and I have no particular affection for AE other than he seems to be a stand up kid and I enjoyed having him represent KSU...
That, and the fact that we are now down to 2 QB's...and have absolutely no depth.
NONE.
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Being down to 2 QBs and having no depth rests squarely on the shoulders of AE.
When he found out he wasn't going to be #1 or #2 he wanted to switch to defense. The coaches said they needed him at QB. Then he started talking transfer, and got his locker cleaned out.
If the coaching staff felt the team was best served by having Meier and Freeman ahead of Evridge, you can't fault them in any way. They went with the guys they liked, what do you expect them to do, push a guy they think is the third best QB into a starting spot?
There's a reconstructed shoulder and a true freshman between the third string QB and starting on Saturday. Evridge saw that and decided it was too much.
Think about it. How stand up is that?
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well atleast he screwed himslef to cuz no1 in BCS D-1 will want him if he acted this badly to 3rd string
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Negative...when he found out he would not be allowed to try to improve his standing, he mentioned moving to defense...
Huge difference.
And sorry, having 2 QB's after having 5 just a few months ago is NOT the fault of some 20 year old kid...this one's on the guy that reads a book a week...might I suggest this one..
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0671027034.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1139270343_.jpg)
Since his skills at talking a player into sticking around seem to be lacking....and he's so into those corporate BS self help books.
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So since I am a fan, I can then conclude that:
1. This is another issue the Scary Smart handled poory IMO.
2. AE is still a bit of a wuss, for not sticking it out for at least this year and seeing what develops. Geez ... one freaking practice and you conclude that over the course of the next 4 months you'll never get a shot??
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A little note to AE, if you happen to end up at a BCS school, or pretty much any D1 school, you aren't gonna walk in and just be handed the job. And if he's leaving because he thought Freeman was "promised" something, which may very well be the case ... why not stick around for the year and at least see how it plays out??
If he felt he wouldn't have a chance to play this year but played it out anyway, he would only have one year of eligibility remaining if he transferred to a D1 school later.
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I highly disagree.
I think Prince screwed him royally. I bet he outperformed Josh Freeman, but wasn't given a chance to show that on a consistent basis. When he said he wanted to play DEFENSE just to see the field, that's what really tipped it off that he was being screwed.
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There's nothing that shows that Evridge outperformed anybody.
And Prince has been 100000% consistent that he would make QB decisions quickly in fall practice. AE didn't like the decisions, so he bailed.
If he was outperforming someone and not getting the love for it, it needs to be shown, not speculated.
After watching the Spring Game I felt that Meier was ahead of AE, and that Freeman had vastly more potential.
And no matter how you want to twist it, it all comes down to one answer.
Coach told AE he was #3, AE didn't like that, so he left.
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And Prince has been 100000% consistent that he would make QB decisions quickly in fall practice.
And by "quickly in fall practice" he obviously meant "before fall practice began".
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certainly in the first week.
Do you think AE is a better QB than Meier? Does he have more potential than Freeman?
Why is it so hard to believe that third is where AE belonged on the depth chart?
The guy threw over 200 passes and only hit paydirt 6 times.
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certainly in the first week.
Do you think AE is a better QB than Meier? Does he have more potential than Freeman?
Why is it so hard to believe that third is where AE belonged on the depth chart?
The guy threw over 200 passes and only hit paydirt 6 times.
I definitely don't consider Meier to be significantly better than Evridge, and potential won't necessarily win games this year. On day 1 of practice, everyone deserved equal footing, like Prince preached about doing. Heck, at least see how everyone does in full pads before making up your mind.
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Day 1 of practice was in April.
If you recall, Evridge started the Spring Game.
200 passes......6 TDs.
Allen !@#$%^ Webb did better than that.
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Day 1 of practice was in April.
If you recall, Evridge started the Spring Game.
200 passes......6 TDs.
Allen !@#$%^ Webb did better than that.
I was pissed about Webb leaving, too. Last year, his QB rating was significantly higher than Meier's in '04 or Evridge's in '05.
Passing Att-Cmp-Int Yds TD Long Sack
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Meier, Dylan 10-7-1 53 1 11 0
Webb, Allen 6-5-0 79 1 47 0
Evridge, Allan 12-6-0 72 1 22 1
Freeman, Josh 7-5-0 57 1 29 0
Lopina, Kevin 3-2-1 24 0 19 1
Looks to me like everyone was pretty equal.
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kinda shoots your theory down that Evridge never got a chance to compete, he had more of a chance in the spring game than anyone else.
the coaches looked at it and liked Meier and Freeman better.
you may not agree with it, but it's not like Evridge was unarguably better.
Evridge was #3, didn't like it, so he bailed.
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If potential meant anything Thomas Clayton would be All Big 12.
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kinda shoots your theory down that Evridge never got a chance to compete, he had more of a chance in the spring game than anyone else.
the coaches looked at it and liked Meier and Freeman better.
you may not agree with it, but it's not like Evridge was unarguably better.
Evridge was #3, didn't like it, so he bailed.
My point is that NO ONE that transferred got to compete. I don't give a crap about Evridge, Webb, or Lopina in particular...I think they all got screwed, and screwing those players will hurt the football team.
As for setting your two-deep in stone immediately after spring practice - 5 months of weights and conditioning can change a player dramatically on the field. Also, as Nation mentioned, it seems like Evridge thought he would have a chance to compete right up until the first fall practice. Why would a coach do this?
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I just hope Josh Freeman does not = Marc Dunn.
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it seems like Evridge thought he would have a chance to compete right up until the first fall practice. Why would a coach do this?
You do it so he doesn't transfer earlier. If Prince gets him to stick around until fall practice begins, there isn't much of a chance he'll transfer. It didn't pay off this time.
Freeman will get many more chances than Dunn ever got.
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I just hope Josh Freeman does not = Marc Dunn.
its ok Marc Dunn was white
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My point is that NO ONE that transferred got to compete. I don't give a crap about Evridge, Webb, or Lopina in particular...I think they all got screwed, and screwing those players will hurt the football team.
As for setting your two-deep in stone immediately after spring practice - 5 months of weights and conditioning can change a player dramatically on the field. Also, as Nation mentioned, it seems like Evridge thought he would have a chance to compete right up until the first fall practice. Why would a coach do this?
Who said he set the two deep in stone after Spring practices? For all you know it was decided last Friday, before the first open practice.
And what does it say that it's obvious that Dylan Meier got to compete, and is indeed competing? And the fact that Evridge got to start the Spring Game pretty much proves that he got to compete.
Any word on what Josh Freeman did in those 5 months of conditioning? I heard he put on 25 pounds of muscle, and is now pushing 250.
What do you have to show that Evridge didn't get a chance to compete right until the first fall practice?!??
You know he was competing at the end of Spring.
What a bunch of drama queers.
I mean queens.
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Who said he set the two deep in stone after Spring practices? For all you know it was decided last Friday, before the first open practice.
What's the difference? They made up their minds without seeing any additional practice either way. Both options are equally foolish.
And what does it say that it's obvious that Dylan Meier got to compete, and is indeed competing?
Ron recognizes the value of having more than one QB on the roster?
And the fact that Evridge got to start the Spring Game pretty much proves that he got to compete.
What about Webb and Lopina? Again, I think it's extremely foolish to annoint a starter based on spring practice.
What do you have to show that Evridge didn't get a chance to compete right until the first fall practice?!??
You know he was competing at the end of Spring.
Huh? He might have thought he was competing, but he really wasn't. Once fall practice opened, it finally became obvious to him that he had no shot.
What a bunch of drama queers.
I mean queens.
Nice.
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It sounds like he was pissed that he was told he would be given a chance to win the job...spent all summer working out..and had magically been made the scout team QB before one snap of fall practice...then got like 1 or 2 snaps in said first practice.
I'd be pissed off too..no one with integrity lies to a player like that...
Unless Freeman is unbelievably good, he should be the Scout Team QB this year as a RS Freshman...Sorry, but Ronnie can't afford a losing season...so Josh better be all he's cracked up to be and the OL better be decent...
We'll see how "scary smart" this decision looks in a few months.
Come on. Did you not see the WIBW interview? By the way, that interview was on FRIDAY. I'm pretty sure the first practice was on Saturday. Everidge was leaving before practice even started.
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AE, what a pussy.
Now don't get me wrong, I appreciate what he did for KSU by and large and I hate to seem him go.
But what's with this ... "Oh, oh, I am not getting exactly what I want right now so I am just going to transfer" crap??
A little note to AE, if you happen to end up at a BCS school, or pretty much any D1 school, you aren't gonna walk in and just be handed the job. And if he's leaving because he thought Freeman was "promised" something, which may very well be the case ... why not stick around for the year and at least see how it plays out??
What happened to the "team" concept.
I'm with you dax. AE is a quitter. Screw him!
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Did they see what the players did over the summer? Yup.
How long did Evridge work to move up the depth chart? 4 days.
Dylan Meier got a chance to compete and so did Evridge, that's why they were the starters for the Spring Game. One stayed on the two deep the other didn't. One is still on the team, the other took his ball and went home.
Are you suggesting that all five QBs should have received equal reps for the first couple weeks of fall practice? Do you honestly think Snyder, or any other sane coach, does that? Webb lost chances to compete by skipping spring practices, when he returned, he participated and competed. Lopina competed as well, but he and Webb bailed BEFORE fall practices.
So you're saying that Evridge wasn't really competing during Spring practices? He got more reps than anyone else.
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It sounds like he was pissed that he was told he would be given a chance to win the job...spent all summer working out..and had magically been made the scout team QB before one snap of fall practice...then got like 1 or 2 snaps in said first practice.
I'd be pissed off too..no one with integrity lies to a player like that...
I'd say Wildcat Nation has some pretty accurate info.
Man, if I were you I'd run down a couple of sources and print that info. Talk about selling papers.
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Did they see what the players did over the summer? Yup.
How long did Evridge work to move up the depth chart? 4 days.
Dylan Meier got a chance to compete and so did Evridge, that's why they were the starters for the Spring Game. One stayed on the two deep the other didn't. One is still on the team, the other took his ball and went home.
Are you suggesting that all five QBs should have received equal reps for the first couple weeks of fall practice? Do you honestly think Snyder, or any other sane coach, does that? Webb lost chances to compete by skipping spring practices, when he returned, he participated and competed. Lopina competed as well, but he and Webb bailed BEFORE fall practices.
So you're saying that Evridge wasn't really competing during Spring practices? He got more reps than anyone else.
Here's what it comes down to:
Based on information printed in the media, I think Evridge was misled and mistreated.
Based on speculation and rumors, you think Evridge isn't good enough to play for Kansas State.
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Tim, we know you're excited about the hire that was made while you reside over the department.
It's ok that he has only 2 QB's on schollie...maybe next year we can get that to one.
Give your buddy Fogler a call and thank him for hiring Huggy for us again.
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Tim, we know you're excited about the hire that was made while you reside over the department.
It's ok that he has only 2 QB's on schollie...maybe next year we can get that to one.
Give your buddy Fogler a call and thank him for hiring Huggy for us again.
Jesus. Take your crappy posting to gopowercat.com
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It sounds like he was pissed that he was told he would be given a chance to win the job...spent all summer working out..and had magically been made the scout team QB before one snap of fall practice...then got like 1 or 2 snaps in said first practice.
I'd be pissed off too..no one with integrity lies to a player like that...
I'd say Wildcat Nation has some pretty accurate info.
Man, if I were you I'd run down a couple of sources and print that info. Talk about selling papers.
Ok, ScubaSteve, I'll bite. Something bothering you? You seem a little bitter.
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(http://justinwallin.googlepages.com/Untitled-1copy.jpg/Untitled-1copy-large.jpg)
Some one with better p-shop skills can take this magazine cover over and fill in the headlines.
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It sounds like he was pissed that he was told he would be given a chance to win the job...spent all summer working out..and had magically been made the scout team QB before one snap of fall practice...then got like 1 or 2 snaps in said first practice.
I'd be pissed off too..no one with integrity lies to a player like that...
I'd say Wildcat Nation has some pretty accurate info.
Man, if I were you I'd run down a couple of sources and print that info. Talk about selling papers.
Ok, ScubaSteve, I'll bite. Something bothering you? You seem a little bitter.
What do you mean? You don't think that would sell some papers?
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What do you mean? You don't think that would sell some papers?
Some are reliable. Some aren't.
If you've followed J-Mart work AT ALL you'd realize nearly everything he's said has been 100% correct.
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Here's what it comes down to:
Based on information printed in the media, I think Evridge was misled and mistreated.
Based on speculation and rumors, you think Evridge isn't good enough to play for Kansas State.
You couldn't be more wrong if you were banging an infant panda while posting that.
What we know is that Evridge was competing through Spring.
We know that Freeman has been busting but enough to play well in the Spring and gain 20 pounds of muscle.
We know that coach put Evridge at #3 at the start of fall practices.
And we know that Evridge would rather leave than be the #3 QB at KSU.
That's the undeniable truth of this story.
My opinion is that putting Evridge #3 is reasonable. It can be argued against, but it can be argued for as well.
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Of course, that is outside of the Mario Taybron fiasco. ;)
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You left out the fact that Evridge was going to be the #3 QB no matter what, as he would not receive significant reps to prove himself, and the fact that Prince childishly cleaned out Evridge's locker when he was considering a transfer.
Another fact is Prince couldn't adequately manage the ego's of 3 freaking QB's on a 105 man roster.
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Rusty and I and others might be more well versed on following a program that can't hold onto valuable players as we have followed KSU bball through the Wooly era.
Whitey, the point is, he was told he would be allowed to compete for the starting job when fall camp opened...but he wasn't.
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Rusty and I and others might be more well versed on following a program that can't hold onto valuable players as we have followed KSU bball through the Wooly era.
Get back to us when Prince is losing his star player in his 4th year of coaching.
No Brain.
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What do you mean? You don't think that would sell some papers?
Some are reliable. Some aren't.
If you've followed J-Mart work AT ALL you'd realize nearly everything he's said has been 100% correct.
I have followed J-Mart's work VERY closely. 100% correct? Hmmm... maybe. 100% accurate? I would say probably so. I don't have a problem with J-Mart's work. It's the whole print media industry that bugs me. I understand Prince and Co. isn't talking on this issue except for the standard SID line. Do we want Prince to spout his side of the story? J-Mart has to print something interesting. Prince cleaning Alan's locker out is interesting. If he just printed that Alan was transfering, he'd have the same story that anyone else has. That doesn't make J-Mart a bad reporter, in fact, it probably makes him a good reporter depending on how you measure a good reporter.
Hey, I like Jeff Martin's work ethic. He's proving to be the best beat writer in the state. That doesn't mean I have to like the way the whole industry operates.
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What do you mean? You don't think that would sell some papers?
Some are reliable. Some aren't.
If you've followed J-Mart work AT ALL you'd realize nearly everything he's said has been 100% correct.
I have followed J-Mart's work VERY closely. 100% correct? Hmmm... maybe. 100% accurate? I would say probably so. I don't have a problem with J-Mart's work. It's the whole print media industry that bugs me. I understand Prince and Co. isn't talking on this issue except for the standard SID line. Do we want Prince to spout his side of the story? J-Mart has to print something interesting. Prince cleaning Alan's locker out is interesting. If he just printed that Alan was transfering, he'd have the same story that anyone else has. That doesn't make J-Mart a bad reporter, in fact, it probably makes him a good reporter depending on how you measure a good reporter.
Hey, I like Jeff Martin's work ethic. He's proving to be the best beat writer in the state. That doesn't mean I have to like the way the whole industry operates.
Aren't you a gp.com subscriber?
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You left out the fact that Evridge was going to be the #3 QB no matter what, as he would not receive significant reps to prove himself, and the fact that Prince childishly cleaned out Evridge's locker when he was considering a transfer.
Another fact is Prince couldn't adequately manage the ego's of 3 freaking QB's on a 105 man roster.
That's not a fact, it's an opinion.
If it were a fact, Freeman and Meier would have been the starting QBs in the Spring Game, and the top two through the spring practices.
But it was Evridge on the two deep.
Evridge's ego couldn't handle being #3. So he wanted to switch to defense and leave the team with 2 QBs. Coach said no way, we need you as #3 QB.
And Evridge left.
Those are the facts.
Pull out and untwist your panties. Make sure any runaway sand is cleaned out as well. If need be, douche.
Then maybe you'll be able to look at this issue with a little reason.
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Rusty and I and others might be more well versed on following a program that can't hold onto valuable players as we have followed KSU bball through the Wooly era.
Get back to us when Prince is losing his star player in his 4th year of coaching.
No Brain.
He needs to get to year 4 first...
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You left out the fact that Evridge was going to be the #3 QB no matter what, as he would not receive significant reps to prove himself, and the fact that Prince childishly cleaned out Evridge's locker when he was considering a transfer.
Another fact is Prince couldn't adequately manage the ego's of 3 freaking QB's on a 105 man roster.
That's not a fact, it's an opinion.
If it were a fact, Freeman and Meier would have been the starting QBs in the Spring Game, and the top two through the spring practices.
But it was Evridge on the two deep.
Evridge's ego couldn't handle being #3. So he wanted to switch to defense and leave the team with 2 QBs. Coach said no way, we need you as #3 QB.
And Evridge left.
Those are the facts.
Pull out and untwist your panties. Make sure any runaway sand is cleaned out as well. If need be, douche.
Then maybe you'll be able to look at this issue with a little reason.
If having 3 QB's was so important, why was AE's locker cleaned out why he was pondering his decision?
Also, if he could handle 3 egos, we would have 3 scholarship QB's right now, instead of 2. <----100% fact
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Rusty and I and others might be more well versed on following a program that can't hold onto valuable players as we have followed KSU bball through the Wooly era.
Get back to us when Prince is losing his star player in his 4th year of coaching.
No Brain.
He needs to get to year 4 first...
Heh.
He got ya there, fatty.
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Rusty and I and others might be more well versed on following a program that can't hold onto valuable players as we have followed KSU bball through the Wooly era.
Get back to us when Prince is losing his star player in his 4th year of coaching.
No Brain.
He needs to get to year 4 first...
No one cared when wooly kicked players off the team is his 1st year.
Of course, that's because no one really cared about basketball.
If Prince doesn't make it to his 4th year (assuming his results are no worse than Wooldridge), it'd because he's black and wooldridge was not, and KSU fans care about football and could care less about basketball.
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Playing the race card? Wow..
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If Jim Wooldridge was a black man, there is no way he stays for 6 seasons.
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What do you mean? You don't think that would sell some papers?
Some are reliable. Some aren't.
If you've followed J-Mart work AT ALL you'd realize nearly everything he's said has been 100% correct.
I have followed J-Mart's work VERY closely. 100% correct? Hmmm... maybe. 100% accurate? I would say probably so. I don't have a problem with J-Mart's work. It's the whole print media industry that bugs me. I understand Prince and Co. isn't talking on this issue except for the standard SID line. Do we want Prince to spout his side of the story? J-Mart has to print something interesting. Prince cleaning Alan's locker out is interesting. If he just printed that Alan was transfering, he'd have the same story that anyone else has. That doesn't make J-Mart a bad reporter, in fact, it probably makes him a good reporter depending on how you measure a good reporter.
Hey, I like Jeff Martin's work ethic. He's proving to be the best beat writer in the state. That doesn't mean I have to like the way the whole industry operates.
Aren't you a gp.com subscriber?
Yeah, but too much drama over there. It's fun to post over here. :dancin:
Lot's of good info over there though. Lot's of bad info too.
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If Jim Wooldridge was a black man, there is no way he stays for 6 seasons.
Sadly, you're probably right.
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If having 3 QB's was so important, why was AE's locker cleaned out why he was pondering his decision?
Also, if he could handle 3 egos, we would have 3 scholarship QB's right now, instead of 2. <----100% fact
If AE's ego could handle being the #3 QB, we would have 3 scholarship QBs right now instead of 2. Someone had to be third, AE wasn't going to let it be him. <----- FACT
AE said he would rather play defense than see the team with 3 scholarship QBs, didn't he?
What do you make of that?
He had his chance to compete, and when coach made his decision, AE was #3. AE couldn't handle that.
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If having 3 QB's was so important, why was AE's locker cleaned out why he was pondering his decision?
Also, if he could handle 3 egos, we would have 3 scholarship QB's right now, instead of 2. <----100% fact
If AE's ego could handle being the #3 QB, we would have 3 scholarship QBs right now instead of 2. Someone had to be third, AE wasn't going to let it be him. <----- FACT
AE said he would rather play defense than see the team with 3 scholarship QBs, didn't he?
What do you make of that?
He had his chance to compete, and when coach made his decision, AE was #3. AE couldn't handle that.
What good is a 3rd string QB that isn't allowed to practice? They aren't - all 3rd string qb's are useless.
Prince made a good decision by showing AE the door.
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Couple of responses:
Mr. White - the fact is, he didn't feel he could trust the coaching staff anymore. It's as simple as that. When a relationship reaches that point, it can't continue. Why didn't he feel he could trust anyone? Because he'd been told this was going to be an open competition. Prince wasn't around to evaluate summer workouts. Evridge went from co-No. 1 in the spring with five QBs on the roster to third-string with 3 QBs on the roster. The head coach wasn't around to observe what went down in the summer, but Allan is suddenly demoted? He's not a dumb kid.
ScubaSteve - Of course I'm not right all of the time. I was wrong on Taybron - felt bad about that - and I'll argue semantics about Webb. I don't know what you want from the print media. I'm not lazy - I'll guarantee his locker was cleaned out. I just wondered if you had a bone to pick.
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Couple of responses:
Mr. White - the fact is, he didn't feel he could trust the coaching staff anymore. It's as simple as that. When a relationship reaches that point, it can't continue. Why didn't he feel he could trust anyone? Because he'd been told this was going to be an open competition. Prince wasn't around to evaluate summer workouts. Evridge went from co-No. 1 in the spring with five QBs on the roster to third-string with 3 QBs on the roster. The head coach wasn't around to observe what went down in the summer, but Allan is suddenly demoted? He's not a dumb kid.
One guy passed him, and he hangs around for 4 practices?
He was competing in the Spring, when he was given preference over Freeman. Freeman passes him the first week of fall practices and he wants to bail?
I see his side of it, and I know it must suck hard to go from starter to #3. But to go to the coach and start talking transfer after 4 practices of not being a co-starter?
Sorry man, if AE wanted to compete for the two deep, he would be at practice, not in Texas.
I saw the writing as well. I figured AE was #4 prior to Webb leaving and #3 after Webb left. But being #3 behind a true freshman and a rebuilt shoulder by no means results in no opportunity for PT. If he wanted competition, he wouldn't have started talk about switching positions and transfer.
AE didn't want competition. He wanted to be the starter. When it was taken away, he left awfully fast, didn't he?
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Since I am a fan, I now blame Prince for everything ... "sleep on it" ... then clean the kids locker out.
Class.
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Couple of responses:
Mr. White - the fact is, he didn't feel he could trust the coaching staff anymore. It's as simple as that. When a relationship reaches that point, it can't continue. Why didn't he feel he could trust anyone? Because he'd been told this was going to be an open competition. Prince wasn't around to evaluate summer workouts. Evridge went from co-No. 1 in the spring with five QBs on the roster to third-string with 3 QBs on the roster. The head coach wasn't around to observe what went down in the summer, but Allan is suddenly demoted? He's not a dumb kid.
One guy passed him, and he hangs around for 4 practices?
He was competing in the Spring, when he was given preference over Freeman. Freeman passes him the first week of fall practices and he wants to bail?
I see his side of it, and I know it must suck hard to go from starter to #3. But to go to the coach and start talking transfer after 4 practices of not being a co-starter?
Sorry man, if AE wanted to compete for the two deep, he would be at practice, not in Texas.
I saw the writing as well. I figured AE was #4 prior to Webb leaving and #3 after Webb left. But being #3 behind a true freshman and a rebuilt shoulder by no means results in no opportunity for PT. If he wanted competition, he wouldn't have started talk about switching positions and transfer.
AE didn't want competition. He wanted to be the starter. When it was taken away, he left awfully fast, didn't he?
You're from Missouri, aren't you? Stubborn and inable to comprehend logic....
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What part do you disagree with?
Evridge wanted to transfer within four days of being passed by one guy on the depth chart.
When he's listed as a starter, all is well. Freeman passes him up, and it's splitsville.
It's not logic -- it's reality.
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Couple of responses:
Mr. White - the fact is, he didn't feel he could trust the coaching staff anymore. It's as simple as that. When a relationship reaches that point, it can't continue. Why didn't he feel he could trust anyone? Because he'd been told this was going to be an open competition. Prince wasn't around to evaluate summer workouts. Evridge went from co-No. 1 in the spring with five QBs on the roster to third-string with 3 QBs on the roster. The head coach wasn't around to observe what went down in the summer, but Allan is suddenly demoted? He's not a dumb kid.
ScubaSteve - Of course I'm not right all of the time. I was wrong on Taybron - felt bad about that - and I'll argue semantics about Webb. I don't know what you want from the print media. I'm not lazy - I'll guarantee his locker was cleaned out. I just wondered if you had a bone to pick.
Not saying you are lazy, and I believe that his locker was cleaned out. I just know what to expect from the print media and try to keep in mind that there are more facts than what are presented in any particular story. The problem is that not everyone does that and that results in opinions being formed from only the facts that they are presented without considering any other possibilty.
In regards to your response to MrWhite above, why does the fact that he was number 3 on the depth chart mean there wasn't going to be an open competition? The depth chart has to start somewhere, doesn't it? Was Prince around to evaluate the summer performance of Freeman or Meier? Has Prince told you why AE got less reps in that first practice? Did Allan tell you that Prince said, "Look Allan, you have no chance to be the starter."? Is it possible that the spring practice resulted in the starting depth chart? Does that mean it would end up that way? I understand that Allan doesn't think he can trust the coaches any more. Could it be that he is wrong?
Maybe all of the answers to these questions result in Ron Prince being sneaky bastard that tricked AE into not transferring earlier, but I'm not going to draw that conclusion without hearing from Prince. Maybe I am wrong, but it seems like you already have.
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Any word on what Josh Freeman did in those 5 months of conditioning? I heard he put on 25 pounds of muscle, and is now pushing 250.
If he put on 25 pounds of muscle in 5 months I hope he didn't use the USC method...keep the needle. I have a hard time believing he has put that much muscle on... I would believe 20% muscle and 80% fat.
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C'mon, man. I don't have any stake in this. If people talk to me, I listen. That's it. Prince doesn't talk to me. I'm careful about attribution and try not to be biased. That's my job. But that's the problem. When he doesn't comment, I lose a little credibility because people don't want to believe what I've written is true or it's one-sided. That's bullcrap.
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C'mon, man. I don't have any stake in this. If people talk to me, I listen. That's it. Prince doesn't talk to me. I'm careful about attribution and try not to be biased. That's my job. But that's the problem. When he doesn't comment, I lose a little credibility because people don't want to believe what I've written is true or it's one-sided. That's bull@#%$.
Who said anything about you losing credibility? I just said it SEEMS by your tone like you have formed an opinion based on what you are hearing from the players that are transferring. That's either true or not.
I know there isn't a d&*n thing that can be done about it, but I don't like one-sided reporting regardless of the reason. I know you have a job to do. Doesn't mean I have to like the result.
Look, if Prince is a sneaky bastard, fine. I'm just saying I'm not going to form an opinion without hearing from him.
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Question......If Evridge discussed playing on defense to get on the field, wouldn't that kind of dispel the notion that he had a big ego? I mean, QB's with egoes want to be QB's and want to start, right?
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Question......If Evridge discussed playing on defense to get on the field, wouldn't that kind of dispel the notion that he had a big ego? I mean, QB's with egoes want to be QB's and want to start, right?
He wasn't going to play over there either.
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Everyone is capable of reading between the lines. Some people just choose not to.
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Evridge was a terrible quarterback. That's all that needs to be said.
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Evridge was a terrible quarterback. That's all that needs to be said.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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Why don't you go discuss KsqUawk Golden Shower.
If you actually read some of Fatasses comments ... they scream lowered expectations.
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Goldbrick thinking about fatty= :jerkoff:
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"Of course, that's because no one really cared about basketball. "
Nobody? No. People did care. Difference is most of those who did care thought Wooldridge would be an upgrade over the "former regime", whom nearly everyone hated. No matter what that regime did, it could do nothing right. Therefore, the new guy was given the benefit of the doubt what he was doing had to been or probably was right. We're seeing the opposite here.
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C'mon, man. I don't have any stake in this. If people talk to me, I listen. That's it. Prince doesn't talk to me. I'm careful about attribution and try not to be biased. That's my job. But that's the problem. When he doesn't comment, I lose a little credibility because people don't want to believe what I've written is true or it's one-sided. That's bull@#%$.
Let's be honest here....
You're the best writer on KSU sports, but by your own admission Prince doesn't talk to you.
There's two sides to the AE story, Evridge and Prince.
If Prince isn't talking to you, your story is going to be one sided. Unless you have some freaky mind reading power, NSA like abilities to snoop on football coaches or a direct line to Dionne Warwick that's just the reality of the situation.
I don't hold it against you, but it has to be considered.
There's no question that Evridge was getting the opportunities in the Spring. He a huge chunk of those snaps in the fall, and bailed four days later. Those are the facts.
It's also a fact that the only way Prince can know what he has in a rehabbed Dylan Meier and true freshman Josh Freeman is through practice. You don't have to give Evridge all the snaps to know what he's capable of.
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You left out the fact that Evridge was going to be the #3 QB no matter what, as he would not receive significant reps to prove himself, and the fact that Prince childishly cleaned out Evridge's locker when he was considering a transfer.
ding ding ding
At this point I'm very ashamed of our head coach. I now know what its like to be a fan of any other B12 north team, excepting Iowa State I guess.
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KSt8er - Did Evridge have significant reps to prove himself in the Spring? How long did he wait in the Fall to get significant reps?
There's only so many reps to go around, as soon as Evridge wasn't being treated as the starter, he bailed.
When he was being treated as the starter, he stayed.
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IMO from what I can piece together it went down like this:
AE stayed through the summer. In this he was led to believe that he would have an equal opportunity at the #1 spot.
AE learns upon start of fall practice that there will be no such equality. He too learns that he'll be over there with the practice squad for the next three years.
AE goes and talks with the person who assured him last spring that it's all good.
That person asks him to sleep on it and they can talk the next day.
That person has AE's locker cleaned out before the next days talk.
That person lied last spring to try and keep at least one sucker around for the practice squad.
That person lied to someone who's proven his mettle on the field for KSU.
AE not only deserved equal opportunity, he earned it. There was no opportunity, the deal was done back on signing day.
That person is RP.
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IMO from what I can piece together it went down like this:
AE stayed through the summer. In this he was led to believe that he would have an equal opportunity at the #1 spot.
AE learns upon start of fall practice that there will be no such equality. He too learns that he'll be over there with the practice squad for the next three years.
AE goes and talks with the person who assured him last spring that it's all good.
That person asks him to sleep on it and they can talk the next day.
That person has AE's locker cleaned out before the next days talk.
That person lied last spring to try and keep at least one sucker around for the practice squad.
That person lied to someone who's proven his mettle on the field for KSU.
AE not only deserved equal opportunity, he earned it. There was no opportunity, the deal was done back on signing day.
That person is RP.
And you pieced all that together by listening to Allan Everidge, his mother, and reading what Jeff Martin has to say. You're a regular Sherlock Holmes.
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IMO from what I can piece together it went down like this:
AE stayed through the summer. In this he was led to believe that he would have an equal opportunity at the #1 spot.
AE learns upon start of fall practice that there will be no such equality. He too learns that he'll be over there with the practice squad for the next three years.
AE goes and talks with the person who assured him last spring that it's all good.
That person asks him to sleep on it and they can talk the next day.
That person has AE's locker cleaned out before the next days talk.
That person lied last spring to try and keep at least one sucker around for the practice squad.
That person lied to someone who's proven his mettle on the field for KSU.
AE not only deserved equal opportunity, he earned it. There was no opportunity, the deal was done back on signing day.
That person is RP.
Evridge told the coaches he was thinking about transferring on Tuesday. That's a fact.
Fall practices started the previous Saturday. That's a fact.
Evridge was a co-starter through spring practices. That's a fact.
Evridge wanted to transfer just four days after being passed on the depth chart by ONE player. That's a fact.
My opinion is that he was not exactly willing to face an open competition. My opinion is that Evridge thought he was significantly better than Meier, Freeman or both, and should have been getting snaps that went to them.
When he didn't get those snaps, he picked up his ball and left. That's a fact.
Meier hasn't taken a snap of D1A ball since the fall of 2004. That's a fact.
Freeman has never taken a snap of D1A ball. That's a fact.
Evridge took hundreds of snaps last fall, and many more this spring as a co-starter. That's a fact.
The only way Prince can know if Meier or Freeman is capable of being on the field this year is to see them in practice. That's a fact.
When someone else got practice snaps, Evridge wanted to transfer. That's a fact.
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questions for you ScubaS -
#1- tell my your best guess on why AE stayed at KSU all summer?
#2- Why do you think AE left?
And no, I made my speculations from quotes by AE, not anyone elses, certainly not his mothers recent comments. Nothing he's said leads me to believe he's trying to fry RP, he's had the opportunity to do just that. I've made my speculations by looking at the timeline for the most part. That to me speaks volume about what has gone down.
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I am unable to follow anyone's logic when it has at its core that AE is a quitter. If he hasn't proven different to you in being here this fall, and more so on the field, then your eyes and mind must surely be closed. AE wanted a chance to compete for the starting job, and at KSU. He's not willing to be relegated to the practice squad.
RP should have informed him last spring (at the least) that he was not going to get his chance but he could be on the practice squad if he stayed. He tried to trick him, get him this far down the road and corner him into staying for his practice squad. It is dishonest, disrespectful, and to a kid who'd given all he could to the KSU football team. He didn't even have nuts enough to look him in the eyes the next day. :poundon:
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I am unable to follow anyone's logic when it has at its core that AE is a quitter. If he hasn't proven different to you in being here this fall, and more so on the field, then your eyes and mind must surely be closed. AE wanted a chance to compete for the starting job, and at KSU. He's not willing to be relegated to the practice squad.
RP should have informed him last spring (at the least) that he was not going to get his chance but he could be on the practice squad if he stayed. He tried to trick him, get him this far down the road and corner him into staying for his practice squad. It is dishonest, disrespectful, and to a kid who'd given all he could to the KSU football team. He didn't even have nuts enough to look him in the eyes the next day. :poundon:
evridge quit when he was getting the third most reps four days into fall practice. that's just the facts, and isn't name calling.
what did Prince do last spring? treated Evridge like a co-starter. this fall he gave some of those reps to Freeman, who didn't get them in the spring, to see what he had. Evridge quit four days later.
Evridge didn't have the guts to see what happend. he had a true freshman and a rehab case in front of him after one week of practice, and he bailed. talk about nuts.
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Evridge didn't have the guts to see what happend. he had a true freshman and a rehab case in front of him after one week of practice, and he bailed. talk about nuts.
you really cannot believe this? :rolleyes:
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he had a true freshman and a rehab case in front of him after one week of practice, and he bailed.
that's fact.
and i don't think he wanted to see what happened.
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questions for you ScubaS -
#1- tell my your best guess on why AE stayed at KSU all summer?
#2- Why do you think AE left?
Why would I do that? Then I would be guilty of doing exactly what you are doing without all the facts. I'm not stupid enough to do that. I am smart enough to think of several scenarios that are different from your speculation.
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I am unable to follow anyone's logic when it has at its core that AE is a quitter.
Maybe the fact that he quit the team has something to do with it. :rolleyes:
That takes some logic skills.
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Maybe the fact that he quit the team has something to do with it.
That takes some logic skills.
Ok, lets see if we can go just a tad bit deeper here. He quit because he's a quitter, or because he wasn't going to be allowed to compete any longer? He quit because he's a quitter, but he's more than willing to go to a completely new school, completely new offense, much more competition at his position, and give up a years eligibility in the process, to have the opportunity to COMPETE for play time?
hmmmmm? :banghead:
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Because I can, I just want to say that both Prince and Evridge are pussy's.
Thank you.
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Maybe the fact that he quit the team has something to do with it.
That takes some logic skills.
Ok, lets see if we can go just a tad bit deeper here. He quit because he's a quitter, or because he wasn't going to be allowed to compete any longer? He quit because he's a quitter, but he's more than willing to go to a completely new school, completely new offense, much more competition at his position, and give up a years eligibility in the process, to have the opportunity to COMPETE for play time?
hmmmmm? :banghead:
One who quits is a quitter. Pretty simple.
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Ok, lets see if we can go just a tad bit deeper here. He quit because he's a quitter, or because he wasn't going to be allowed to compete any longer? He quit because he's a quitter, but he's more than willing to go to a completely new school, completely new offense, much more competition at his position, and give up a years eligibility in the process, to have the opportunity to COMPETE for play time?
hmmmmm? :banghead:
he bailed less than a week into fall practices! he didn't give competition a chance. as soon as he wasn't a co-starter, he bailed. that's the fact.
you can say he wasn't going to be allowed to compete - that's opinion - and ignore that he was listed as a co-starter for MUCH longer than he was treated as a #3.
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So you are admitting that he was, after 4 practices already relegated to #3 status. Where did you see him listed as a co-starter for this year? If you are refering to the spring game then it has no bearing on this fall at all. It appears that AE's status and play time then was token time to fool him into staying around under false pretence. I'd like to know how a coach can determine a #3 after said #3 has taken a total of 2 snaps during the NEW WIDE OPEN COMPETITION. Damn he's amazing. I realize you like to infer than since AE got the snaps last spring that the others deserve more now, and that AE simply misread that and quit in a pouting fit. Ludicrous.
Look, I've read enough to know how you do your math and we do not have the same answers, lets just move on.
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So you are admitting that he was, after 4 practices already relegated to #3 status. Where did you see him listed as a co-starter for this year? If you are refering to the spring game then it has no bearing on this fall at all. It appears that AE's status and play time then was token time to fool him into staying around under false pretence. I'd like to know how a coach can determine a #3 after said #3 has taken a total of 2 snaps during the NEW WIDE OPEN COMPETITION. Damn he's amazing. I realize you like to infer than since AE got the snaps last spring that the others deserve more now, and that AE simply misread that and quit in a pouting fit. Ludicrous.
Look, I've read enough to know how you do your math and we do not have the same answers, lets just move on.
Allan's mom said that he ran with the ones most of the Spring. How can you not factor in what happenned in the Spring? Prince sees more in the other two guys in the Spring and starts out the depth chart accordingly. That doesn't mean that he wasn't getting a chance to move back up. I have my theories as to why he got less reps in that first practice, but I would be speculating. However, his interview on the Friday BEFORE the first practice would be reason enough for me if I were Ron Prince. All in baby!!
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My opinion and it is an opinion is this:
AE played last season because Webb was hurt/ineffective/head case. Our offensive line was injured/sucked and allowed no running game between the tackles so defensives put 8 in the box and not only stopped the run but had a decent opportunity to hurry/sack the QB. AE left this fan = concerned for this year.
How can someone say that Prince wasn't around all summer? So his SUV I saw parked there almost everyday indicated his wife was there?
I don't dispute anything that JMart has written but there is still another side to the story. If told, it may clear things up or it may confirm some of the concerns that have been posted here.
You are the number #3 QB behind a rehabed senior and an untested freshman. We have seen too many games where the QB is injured/ineffective and changes need to be made. Wouldn't you want to work harder so you are ready for that opportunity?
New coach, new offensive and a different life at 2201 Kimball Ave. I can allow some mis-steps to a new head coach..especially since I haven't seen him coach a game yet.
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So you are admitting that he was, after 4 practices already relegated to #3 status. Where did you see him listed as a co-starter for this year? If you are refering to the spring game then it has no bearing on this fall at all. It appears that AE's status and play time then was token time to fool him into staying around under false pretence. I'd like to know how a coach can determine a #3 after said #3 has taken a total of 2 snaps during the NEW WIDE OPEN COMPETITION. Damn he's amazing. I realize you like to infer than since AE got the snaps last spring that the others deserve more now, and that AE simply misread that and quit in a pouting fit. Ludicrous.
Look, I've read enough to know how you do your math and we do not have the same answers, lets just move on.
it was talked about widely in the Spring, and then there's the fact that he was a starter in the Spring Game.
but we know how Evridge really feels about the QB competition:
"It feels like I have to prove myself all over again," he said. "It's been kind of interesting."
he wanted to transfer less than a week after feeling like he had to prove himself.
wake up.
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I'd like to know the last time a 3rd string QB came into a game out of necessity... not mop up duty, but had to because of injury or ineffectiveness of previous two... Meier in 03 with Roberson out for 3 games? Outside of that, I can't think of any others.
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meier entered that 03 game out of necessity, and was pulled out of necessity.
he's somewhat redeemed himself since then, but his performance in that game was textbook pissing down one's leg.
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I'm curious.
Being a quitter means you can make a choice.
You can be a loser without being a quitter, but if you quit, you will always be a loser. One is a simple choice, the other is about circumstance.
Think about this:
If AE quit, he didn't need to have his locker cleaned out to make that decision. Maybe he was already going to, and the coach pushed him over. However, AE could have easily gone back up to the coach and said "Look, Coach, someone cleaned out my locker, but I don't want to quit. Look me straight in the eye and tell me that you don't want me on this team. I want to fight for that position, where are my uniforms?"
Remember, it's about choice. And some choices are more clear cut than others, and sometimes, they aren't as obvious.
I'm not sure that AE wanted to leave, but I'm not sure he was given much of choice. It could have just been a test. I'll take ScubaSteve's premise by saying that we don't know everything that went on, and certainly, this story is not over. But to call a kid a quitter may not be accurate at all. Jeffrey Martin presents the story as it appears to him. That doesn't mean he'll hear every side, and that doesn't mean a story isn't a story simply because one side has been reported. A fan has every right to evaluate what he/she reads to form their own opinion.
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I want to fight for that position, where are my uniforms?"
He already expressed that he wanted to fight for the position. He said that he didn't believe he was going to receive a fair chance at it so he's going to fight for the position at a school willing to give that fair chance.
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I want to fight for that position, where are my uniforms?"
He already expressed that he wanted to fight for the position. He said that he didn't believe he was going to receive a fair chance at it so he's going to fight for the position at a school willing to give that fair chance.
He created that message from his locker being cleared out. That was an obvious choice.
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it was like having to prove myself all over again.....