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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: fatty fat fat on July 27, 2006, 01:34:02 AM
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&@#%, that pisses me off.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/sports/colleges/kansas_state_university/15132488.htm
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We need that extra scholly for some more quality recruits!
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&*$@!, that pisses me off.
No it doesn't. You're a drama queen. :violin:
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You're a drama queen.
:)
:violin:
:mad: :mad: :mad:
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
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I am not in a wait and see mode anymore. prince pulls this crap and the players will quit on him. AW wes well liked from what I can gather. The article said that he was just 3 classes from graduating, and Prince aid F*uck that, the kid can't play. he can go get a diploma at southestren texas international college.
Prince is a fuc*ing a-hole. No excuse for this. And this aint the first player or recruit he has screwed over lik this. how much kool aid is left in the bottle before you realize that this guy is a prick who is gonna take us down? you wonder why he can only get 2 stars, for the most part or worse....it's cause the word is out on Prince and sh*t like taking a schol from a senior who is about to graduate is only going ot make it owrse. You think moms and dads will want to send their ocach to play for KSU? god frobid the kid isn't as good as they thought, there goes all the work he put into college, bye bye, screw you, find another school!
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Purplecobra.... Man are you angry. Calm down the story doesn't indicate anything that happened to cause Prince to remove the schoolie. All you can do is speculate. The only other person who has left the team is Ro. So how can you say Prince does this to everybody? No offense to Webb but I see him as 4th on our QB depth chart. Prince probably asked him to switch positions to add depth to the TEAM . He left Indiana because of playing time how do you know he isn't doing the same thing here. Do you want to know the reason why we can only get 2 star recruits? There are two reasons. The first reason is that the Kansas State High School Athletic Association is BullS*!T. I live in SW Florida and down here the high school football teams have 3 weeks of spring practice and I full game against an opponent in there class ( ie 6A ). They also hold two hand touch summer camps where the teams practice plays and team work. In Kansas you play in the fall that's it done. Yes you have summer weights but that doesn't help learn the game. The second reason is the man just took over the job nobody knows how well or how badly Prince will do. As a young man wanting to play D1 football are you going to take a chance on a new coach and hope the team is good. Are will you go somewhere that is established. There must have been some reason Prince pulled his schoolie wither it was academics or just the detriment to the team because Webb wasn't going to get playing time. Only Prince knows.
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Prince is a racist!
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What will stuff like this do to our graduation rates? Seems it would be wise to have a guy graduate that is on course..
So, we now have a QB that can't stay healthy, a QB that has won....1 game? or no games at KSU in his playing time...and a true freshman...
Awesome.
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I hope there's more to this story. It's f'ing stupid to get rid of a player that has performed well on the Big XII level - especially a QB.
Someone should send Prince a copy of the 04 NU game...maybe his obsession with NU will make him rethink this decision.
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Another thing - why the hell wasn't anybody mentioning Ryan Schmidt leaving?
Wasn't he a likely OL starter?!?!
argh.
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I don't think its a very smart move with Webb.
But, with every new coaching regime comes stuff like this ... its just the way things go.
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Wide receiver Ro Grigsby said in June he was forced out
Hmmmmm!
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Allen Webb is leaving Kansas State after his football scholarship was taken away.
Only three courses shy of graduation, the senior quarterback will transfer to Texas College, an NAIA school in Tyler, Texas.
What kind of a coach takes a Senior student's scholarship away when he's 3 credits shy of graduation?
A leader?
:bs:
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sends a pretty strong message about academics
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Don't do 'em?
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yeah, I don't know if I like the direction we are headed in.
Being stricter than Snyder on team rules is not a good sign for this program.
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I don't like the looks of this from this side of the story... But simple truth is, there are always two sides and we are only going to ever hear this side. I don't think anyone can say how big of a loss this is unless they are inside the program. It's clear that there's been an attitude/motivation problem with this team for the past two years. Maybe Webb was part of that problem. Maybe we'll see Moreira out as well. Wasn't there rumors about him leaving/ having an attitude problem?
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"We need that extra scholly for some more quality recruits!"
Jeez, at least think things out here. Prince has scholarships open, without having Webb leave, if he wanted to bring someone in late this fall. Webb's elligibility is done after this season so his scholarship would be open anyway.
My bet here is there is more to this story than one article mentions. Seemingly there wasn't the same outrage when Webb was *off the team* before the Spring Game. Why the change now?
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yeaahhhh... I think that was a joke.... Yeaahhh.... Hmm... A crack at prince's recruiting... Yeaaahhh...
Also there's a change in opinion now, because now its a fact... Not speculation.
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Whatever Webb did to be excused 3 HOURS SHORT of graduation would, IMO, have to be huge, so huge that we would have heard rumblings of something that he did.
We didn't.
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FBWillie-
Which means absolutely nothing because there have been no results posted based on Ron Prince's recruiting. If anything, this move should be getting applause as it opens space for this great Top 100 prep QB RON PRINCE RECRUITED to play over the formerly two star Alan Webb. Who is the better player there based on this great star system! Freeman.
Who cares if that is actually the case, we're talking recruiting rankings here!
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Another thing - why the hell wasn't anybody mentioning Ryan Schmidt leaving?
Wasn't he a likely OL starter?!?!
argh.
Multiple players leaving/transferring with no sound explanation?
Black Jim Wooldridge? ;)
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Or perhaps Jim Wooldridge wearing a Ron Prince mask?
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FBWillie-
Which means absolutely nothing because there have been no results posted based on Ron Prince's recruiting. If anything, this move should be getting applause as it opens space for this great Top 100 prep QB RON PRINCE RECRUITED to play over the formerly two star Alan Webb. Who is the better player there based on this great star system! Freeman.
Who cares if that is actually the case, we're talking recruiting rankings here!
Actually, no one is talking about recruiting here... I'm pretty sure the person that said "We need that extra scholly for some more quality recruits!" was making a JOKE. I don't know if you have noticed this, but several people on here are cracking on prince for his recruiting methods. I understand that sarcasm is sometimes hard to read on a forum... perhaps this will help.
[sarcasm]we need that extra scholly for some more quality recruits![/sarcasm]
Is it clear yet?
I'll just assume you as well were being sarcastic.
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Whatever Webb did to be excused 3 HOURS SHORT of graduation would, IMO, have to be huge, so huge that we would have heard rumblings of something that he did.
We didn't.
he could take ballroom dancing and still graduate. screw prince.
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Actually, someone IS talking recruiting. You point out their comment. Sarcasm or whatever you believe it is, that is talking about recruiting.
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hah hahahah... I thought you were being serious for a second... Boy you had me going... Ha. Good one.
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Prince is a racist!
[sarcasm] Jeez, at least think things out here. Prince has black herritage, and his wife is white, if he wanted to be racist he could have said something to Webb about not liking white women or something.
My bet here is there is more to this story than one article mentions. Seemingly there wasn't the same outrage when Ro Grigsby was off they team for being black. Why the change now?[/sarcasm]
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I have a very hard time accepting this on face value, that being that this is all the asshole head coach. If Webb had not done something that warranted his scholly getting taken away he would be defending himself and he's not. He is being conspicuously silent about WHY he's had it yanked, don't you think? He's not telling any more about the specifics than Prince, which to me says that Prince is doing just what I'd hope our coach would do, show restraint and allow the student athlete his privacy.
That my friends is the MUCH MUCH more plausible underlying reasoning behind all that we do not know. I well believe that were this 1989, the same people would be saying the same things about Snyder.
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LaVell Edwards, Frank Beamer, Al Groh, Jack Welch ... burn the ships, go ashore!!
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That my friends is the MUCH MUCH more plausible underlying reasoning behind all that we do not know. I well believe that were this 1989, the same people would be saying the same things about Snyder.
Mods, can we ban the next person that tries to compare the actions of Ron in 2005 to those of Bill Snyder in 1989?
Thanks, and God bless.
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That my friends is the MUCH MUCH more plausible underlying reasoning behind all that we do not know. I well believe that were this 1989, the same people would be saying the same things about Snyder.
Mods, can we ban the next person that tries to compare the actions of Ron in 2005 to those of Bill Snyder in 1989?
Thanks, and God bless.
If not ban, can we at least line them up for a Mule Kick??
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That my friends is the MUCH MUCH more plausible underlying reasoning behind all that we do not know. I well believe that were this 1989, the same people would be saying the same things about Snyder.
Mods, can we ban the next person that tries to compare the actions of Ron in 2005 to those of Bill Snyder in 1989?
Thanks, and God bless.
If not ban, can we at least line them up for a Mule Kick??
That would probably be more appropriate.
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Mods, can we ban the next person that tries to compare the actions of Ron in 2005 to those of Bill Snyder in 1989?
hey dumbass, not anywhere in that statement did I compare Prince to Snyder, now did I? Nope. Said that posters would act and say the same ignorant crap that they are saying now, BIG diff dude.
Mods (MJ) can we ban the ass-clown Prince haters please, and thanks. :poundon:
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KSt8er = Ron Prince ?
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KSt8er = Ron Prince ?
:fiesta: :popcorn:
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Mods, can we ban the next person that tries to compare the actions of Ron in 2005 to those of Bill Snyder in 1989?
hey dumbass, not anywhere in that statement did I compare Prince to Snyder, now did I? Nope. Said that posters would act and say the same ignorant crap that they are saying now, BIG diff dude.
Comparing the reactions fans would make is essentially comparing their actions.
No one would be pissed about weeding out the remains of an 0-30-1 team.
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Atleast not when their expectations are around 5-6 or 4-7 with an occasional bowl trip... But now that are expectations are much higher why are we pissed "about weeding out the remains of an 5-6 team"
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I didn't realize that our team was the Alan Webb team. My bad.
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Similar to the Alan Parsons Project, but different.
:fiesta:
MCMW
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Explains that Serious music they play at the stadium...
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There's more the story. :blahblah:
He's leaving because he didn't win the starting job. Just a guess.
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How about the fact that Allen knew he probably wouldn't play, was ineligible to transfer to a 3rd D-1 school, and had to be cut loose so he could be picked up by the NAIA school...it doesn't sound dirty to me. There has been talk of him transfering for months, was his schollie pulled or was he released? Is there a difference?
He said something about knowing the message he was getting...was that message "hey you haven't been holding up to your end of the bargain effort wise, you want out, lets do something that will make us both happy"? or "you probably won't get time at QB, how about postion X, we could use you there"? and he didn't like those messages??
How about the message Momma wrote on the evil Sneak board about him always looking for something better and his multiple transfers and visits and transfers always hoping for greener grass??
Just wish the kid luck and lets not pile on Prince about it. :blahblah:
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I think it's more along the lines that Webb has some issues with Prince. J-MART eludes to the issue of Prince being in love with Freeman, and that may be true, or had some play in it.
However, the person who needs to do the work is the player. The coach sets the rules, provides the support, and the athlete needs to do his part of the bargain. Since it's clear there is more the bargain than just showing up for practice, the games, and school, we can pretty much assume that other factors are in play. I wouldn't be too surprised to see that personality issues probably had something to do with it.
If anything, it sounds like Prince is sending a message. Archer said it clearly at the beginning of Prince's tenure that Prince pretty much lets everyone be who they want to be, dress like they want, be more relaxed. That didn't mean that standards of conduct aren't in force, or expectations have been lax. Sounds very much like someone who knows how to run a tight ship. Any of you that have been in the military know what I mean. I have watched General Officers come into command and remove people that others thought "Oh this is a great guy" only to learn he and the new General didn't get along, or that maybe something else was going on we didn't know about and the new General decided this wasn't going to work out.
That's the way life works, and believe it or not, some of you people still in college havent' seen this part of the world. It goes on all the time and you either sit in your room and pout all day, or you get off your ass and make something good come from it. Things happen for a reason, the issue is, how do you respond to adversity.
Webb will be just fine. I'm sorry it had to happen this way, I thought he was a good athlete and had the potential to be an Ell Roberson. For whatever reason, be it his own or someone elses, it didn't work out. It's not like the entire program hinged on him.
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This will be the only thing I'll post on this topic that isn't rooted in facts:
Sure, Allen made some mistakes. But there are plenty of kids on the rosters who are still making comparable mistakes, maybe even worse. Just seems kinda convenient - in this case - to enforce rules when it'll mean less clutter at a key position. You'd think a new coach would want to be consistent with his actions because people will be watching. But, based on conversations I've had, I'm not certain that's been the case.
For the record, all I've reported is factual.
Just my thoughts.
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This will be the only thing I'll post on this topic that isn't rooted in facts:
Sure, Allen made some mistakes. But there are plenty of kids on the rosters who are still making comparable mistakes, maybe even worse. Just seems kinda convenient - in this case - to enforce rules when it'll mean less clutter at a key position. You'd think a new coach would want to be consistent with his actions because people will be watching. But, based on conversations I've had, I'm not certain that's been the case.
For the record, all I've reported is factual.
Just my thoughts.
Dang.. and I have a couple of questions.. and now you cut me off...
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There's obviously something more at play here than Webb wanting playing time.
You don't leave a school that has treated you well (see his comments about the fans), 3 hours short of graduation, to play NAIA ball in Texas, on your own accord. I could care less about how this impacts the fball team, that has nothing to do with it.
Ron Prince needs to realize that fans of K-State football are not his fans, we're fans of the players and the program they represent. When you treat one of our own like crap you need to answer for it.
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This will be the only thing I'll post on this topic that isn't rooted in facts:
Sure, Allen made some mistakes. But there are plenty of kids on the rosters who are still making comparable mistakes, maybe even worse. Just seems kinda convenient - in this case - to enforce rules when it'll mean less clutter at a key position. You'd think a new coach would want to be consistent with his actions because people will be watching. But, based on conversations I've had, I'm not certain that's been the case.
For the record, all I've reported is factual.
Just my thoughts.
Hit me at [email protected] or call me.
Dang.. and I have a couple of questions.. and now you cut me off...
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im sorry the kool-aid runs out when you kick off a player 3 hours from graduation go F*ck yourself and tell snyder to get his ass back into coaching while your at it
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im sorry the kool-aid runs out when you kick off a player 3 hours from graduation go F*ck yourself and tell snyder to get his ass back into coaching while your at it
You sound like a 13 year old.
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43?? WTF? Geta grip son.
It sounds to me like he saw the writting on the wall and wants to play ball somewhere...3 hours short. :crybaby: cry me a river, its called money, pay KSU the cash to finish up. :violin:
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" So how can you say Prince does this to everybody? "
not everyone, but I also remeber 2 commits that he pulled schols on. I apologize, i do not reember the names. but he pulled their schol offers after they had already commited and about 3 weeks till signing day. one ended up at boise state and the other guy only had one other offer and that was cu. but, his cu offer was given to somebody else after he commited to KSU. either way, both kids got their offers yanked at the last minute with little or no explanation, the offers were yanked right after Prince got commits at those guys positions who were better.
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"He's leaving because he didn't win the starting job. Just a guess"
who is the starter? answewr is nobody. Webb did good for us last year. he started 5 games and won 4. He even was the hero vs Mizzou. He may not have started this year but the cahcnes are he would have played cause our o-line sucks and one wb was bound to go down.
This whole thing looks to me like qb's are getting shoved to the side for freeman, without Freeman having earned the job. this is very bad. If you scrwe over well liked players and promote somebody who hasn't earned the respect fo the team your offense is going ot have serious moral issues. I thought we were going ot have a 6-7 win year this year, right now I am thinking I should cut that number in half.
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Oh really Fusker.....err I mean Cobra.
Could it possibly be that Freeman is better than Webb?
Could it possibly be that Evridge is better than Webb?
Could it possibly be that Meier is better than Webb?
The answer is Yes............even as a freshman.
The answer is Yes............he started much of last year.
The answer is Yes............he WILL start THIS year.
Take your crap back to Lincoln. :bootyshake:
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"He's leaving because he didn't win the starting job. Just a guess"
who is the starter? answewr is nobody. Webb did good for us last year. he started 5 games and won 4. He even was the hero vs Mizzou. He may not have started this year but the cahcnes are he would have played cause our o-line sucks and one wb was bound to go down.
This whole thing looks to me like qb's are getting shoved to the side for freeman, without Freeman having earned the job. this is very bad. If you scrwe over well liked players and promote somebody who hasn't earned the respect fo the team your offense is going ot have serious moral issues. I thought we were going ot have a 6-7 win year this year, right now I am thinking I should cut that number in half.
Gee if I were you I'd sell your season tickets while they were still worth something.
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congrats catfan28, you can name all of our qb's. now for your next trick can you tell me how many games we won last year and the starting qb's for each of those wins?
and btw, if Prince yanked webbs schol so he could put a true frosh ahead of him then prince is mentally retarded, but it's nice your always walking behind prince patting his butt playing damage control. your gonna have a busy year i think
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That my friends is the MUCH MUCH more plausible underlying reasoning behind all that we do not know. I well believe that were this 1989, the same people would be saying the same things about Snyder.
Mods, can we ban the next person that tries to compare the actions of Ron in 2005 to those of Bill Snyder in 1989?
Thanks, and God bless.
yes because this has become an extremely rampant problem :rolleyes:
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it appears everyone is in agreement on at least one thing here:
nothing will be lost on the football field
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congrats catfan28, you can name all of our qb's. now for your next trick can you tell me how many games we won last year and the starting qb's for each of those wins?
and btw, if Prince yanked webbs schol so he could put a true frosh ahead of him then prince is mentally retarded, but it's nice your always walking behind prince patting his butt playing damage control. your gonna have a busy year i think
Actually, I don't do tricks Cobra.....
I leave that up to you trying to "trick" us into believing your a K-Stater......
When we all know your true colors.
Stuff that rabbit into your hat.
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looks like catfan 28 didn't want to asnwer the direct question I asked him. that's ok, i understand from other posters that he is a bit of a coward.
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looks like catfan 28 didn't want to asnwer the direct question I asked him. that's ok, i understand from other posters that he is a bit of a coward.
First a poser.....
Next a name-caller.....
You make a great Fusker Cobra. :D
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just following your lead coward. any time frame on when you will be getting back to us with your answer or do you just not know as much about ksu football as I
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just following your lead coward. any time frame on when you will be getting back to us with your answer or do you just not know as much about ksu football as I
purplecobra, what are your thoughts on the hiring of Bob Huggins?
I haven't seen your comments yet.
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cobra, what's up with Nebraska allowing a sex abuser on their team?
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Is there a way to just ignore a poster so that every time they post it doesn't show up as a new post? Or maybe I just don't see it all together... This d1psh1t is really start to waste a lot of my time.
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purple headed cobra (d1ck) get off this board.. after all your crap on this board you finally pushed me to register and speak up for everyone on this board.. corn inbred fusker douche.. :bootyshake: :bootyshake:
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Welcome to the board.
Just think, you'll be able have a story for why you registered. It was to voice frustration with the biggest idiot on here.
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Do you guys really think that Prince wants to start Freeman this season? Do you think he would be ready to start a real game as a true freshman?
(If not, I find it interesting that both ku and KSU are going to each depend heavily on a Meier brother this season.)
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Fatty,
What's up... I never heard you say that you were wrong in this post and that you didn't know what you were talking about. Webb kicked himself out, just another pruning from the ol' football idiot tree, your boy Moreira just might be next. :forked:
RN
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Geez, ease up there Francis.
Y'all shore do fly off the handle quick.
Do you really thick that Prince would encourage all this negative press on purpose? Get a grip.
Someone is just making news to sell papers. Nothing to see here. Y'all go back to your homes.
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Geez, ease up there Francis.
Y'all shore do fly off the handle quick.
Do you really thick that Prince would encourage all this negative press on purpose? Get a grip.
Someone is just making news to sell papers. Nothing to see here. Y'all go back to your homes.
I sure am glad I don't have to listen to you talk. Yuck.
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It's a "Jump to Conclusions mat". You see, you have this mat, with different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO!
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It's a "Jump to Conclusions mat". You see, you have this mat, with different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO!
"I think that's a horrible Idea."
"Yes, yes, that is the worst idea I have ever heard"
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Another thing - why the hell wasn't anybody mentioning Ryan Schmidt leaving?
Wasn't he a likely OL starter?!?!
argh.
Former K-State offensive lineman Ryan Schmidt is hoping to win an appeal that would allow him to play this fall at South Florida. According to his mother, Tammy, Schmidt's financial aid -- his scholarship -- was not renewed at K-State. Being an out-of-state kid, he had no option but to transfer. He landed at US, and because it was an undue hardship on Schmidt and he no control over the circumstances, Schmidt should be eligible immediately. The case, his mother admits, isn't a slam dunk, but they're hopeful the ruling will be in their favor
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/sports/colleges/kansas_state_university/15230772.htm
Jeffrey Martin has been kicking ass.