Even funnier.
Cue ksuno1stunner with a derogatory comment about Amir
Rivals/Scout "interested" schools cannot be trusted. From my understanding those come directly from the kids who each have their own definition of "interested schools". For example, it could simply be they've received a letter from each of the schools. It always sounds more impressive to say that a perennial Top 10 team is interested you rather than Temple. This is why there are 4-5 schools listed on almost every Top 100 player in the country. During Nebraska's pinnacle of success at least 75% of the Top 100 listed kids mentioned Nebraska. Only a couple would actually commit to Nebraska but is sounds good to say the defending national champions want me.
With that said, you can't measure "offers" until signing day either. Miami notoriously offers late. Schools like USC may be waiting on academic qualification OR offer late as a backup to a kid they lost (i.e. Marlon Lucky).
So, in summary "interested schools" is bogus and "scholarship offers" should only be used as a guage of quality of recruit at the end of the recruiting process.
crap, I was dissapointed. I thought I had some ammo to use against those jerks that talk bad about our recruits because very few of them have impressive offers or any offfers at all. I agree with those that say interest isn't an offer. Alot of big name teams send out questionaires to hundreds of kids to judge their interest in that team. Then they get back the questionaires and follow up with the kid and if they like him they will ask him to camp and or send tape of the player.
is Akron even 1a anymore?
Even funnier.
Cue ksuno1stunner with a derogatory comment about Amir
sorry, i have not yet ripped amir so far. however, it blows my mind when fans actually spin interest into offers.QuoteRivals/Scout "interested" schools cannot be trusted. From my understanding those come directly from the kids who each have their own definition of "interested schools". For example, it could simply be they've received a letter from each of the schools. It always sounds more impressive to say that a perennial Top 10 team is interested you rather than Temple. This is why there are 4-5 schools listed on almost every Top 100 player in the country. During Nebraska's pinnacle of success at least 75% of the Top 100 listed kids mentioned Nebraska. Only a couple would actually commit to Nebraska but is sounds good to say the defending national champions want me.
With that said, you can't measure "offers" until signing day either. Miami notoriously offers late. Schools like USC may be waiting on academic qualification OR offer late as a backup to a kid they lost (i.e. Marlon Lucky).
So, in summary "interested schools" is bogus and "scholarship offers" should only be used as a guage of quality of recruit at the end of the recruiting process.Quotecrap, I was dissapointed. I thought I had some ammo to use against those jerks that talk bad about our recruits because very few of them have impressive offers or any offfers at all. I agree with those that say interest isn't an offer. Alot of big name teams send out questionaires to hundreds of kids to judge their interest in that team. Then they get back the questionaires and follow up with the kid and if they like him they will ask him to camp and or send tape of the player.
is Akron even 1a anymore?
Even funnier.
Cue ksuno1stunner with a derogatory comment about Amir
sorry, i have not yet ripped amir so far. however, it blows my mind when fans actually spin interest into offers.QuoteRivals/Scout "interested" schools cannot be trusted. From my understanding those come directly from the kids who each have their own definition of "interested schools". For example, it could simply be they've received a letter from each of the schools. It always sounds more impressive to say that a perennial Top 10 team is interested you rather than Temple. This is why there are 4-5 schools listed on almost every Top 100 player in the country. During Nebraska's pinnacle of success at least 75% of the Top 100 listed kids mentioned Nebraska. Only a couple would actually commit to Nebraska but is sounds good to say the defending national champions want me.
With that said, you can't measure "offers" until signing day either. Miami notoriously offers late. Schools like USC may be waiting on academic qualification OR offer late as a backup to a kid they lost (i.e. Marlon Lucky).
So, in summary "interested schools" is bogus and "scholarship offers" should only be used as a guage of quality of recruit at the end of the recruiting process.Quotecrap, I was dissapointed. I thought I had some ammo to use against those jerks that talk bad about our recruits because very few of them have impressive offers or any offfers at all. I agree with those that say interest isn't an offer. Alot of big name teams send out questionaires to hundreds of kids to judge their interest in that team. Then they get back the questionaires and follow up with the kid and if they like him they will ask him to camp and or send tape of the player.
is Akron even 1a anymore?
Even funnier.
Cue ksuno1stunner with a derogatory comment about Amir
sorry, i have not yet ripped amir so far. however, it blows my mind when fans actually spin interest into offers.QuoteRivals/Scout "interested" schools cannot be trusted. From my understanding those come directly from the kids who each have their own definition of "interested schools". For example, it could simply be they've received a letter from each of the schools. It always sounds more impressive to say that a perennial Top 10 team is interested you rather than Temple. This is why there are 4-5 schools listed on almost every Top 100 player in the country. During Nebraska's pinnacle of success at least 75% of the Top 100 listed kids mentioned Nebraska. Only a couple would actually commit to Nebraska but is sounds good to say the defending national champions want me.
With that said, you can't measure "offers" until signing day either. Miami notoriously offers late. Schools like USC may be waiting on academic qualification OR offer late as a backup to a kid they lost (i.e. Marlon Lucky).
So, in summary "interested schools" is bogus and "scholarship offers" should only be used as a guage of quality of recruit at the end of the recruiting process.Quotecrap, I was dissapointed. I thought I had some ammo to use against those jerks that talk bad about our recruits because very few of them have impressive offers or any offfers at all. I agree with those that say interest isn't an offer. Alot of big name teams send out questionaires to hundreds of kids to judge their interest in that team. Then they get back the questionaires and follow up with the kid and if they like him they will ask him to camp and or send tape of the player.
is Akron even 1a anymore?
"scholarship offers" should only be used as a guage of quality of recruit at the end of the recruiting process.
Even funnier.
Cue ksuno1stunner with a derogatory comment about Amir
sorry, i have not yet ripped amir so far. however, it blows my mind when fans actually spin interest into offers.QuoteRivals/Scout "interested" schools cannot be trusted. From my understanding those come directly from the kids who each have their own definition of "interested schools". For example, it could simply be they've received a letter from each of the schools. It always sounds more impressive to say that a perennial Top 10 team is interested you rather than Temple. This is why there are 4-5 schools listed on almost every Top 100 player in the country. During Nebraska's pinnacle of success at least 75% of the Top 100 listed kids mentioned Nebraska. Only a couple would actually commit to Nebraska but is sounds good to say the defending national champions want me.
With that said, you can't measure "offers" until signing day either. Miami notoriously offers late. Schools like USC may be waiting on academic qualification OR offer late as a backup to a kid they lost (i.e. Marlon Lucky).
So, in summary "interested schools" is bogus and "scholarship offers" should only be used as a guage of quality of recruit at the end of the recruiting process.Quotecrap, I was dissapointed. I thought I had some ammo to use against those jerks that talk bad about our recruits because very few of them have impressive offers or any offfers at all. I agree with those that say interest isn't an offer. Alot of big name teams send out questionaires to hundreds of kids to judge their interest in that team. Then they get back the questionaires and follow up with the kid and if they like him they will ask him to camp and or send tape of the player.
is Akron even 1a anymore?
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only if you're agreeing with seattlehusker1 thatQuote"scholarship offers" should only be used as a guage of quality of recruit at the end of the recruiting process.
Way to provide credibility that you're not a dumb ass.
Also, Nice edit.
Also, Nice edit.
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Way to provide credibility that you're not a dumb ass.
Also, Nice edit.
you had to edit too. what's the big deal? i replied to you first, and then you highlighted it in red.
also i didn't want the smilies 69ing each other vertically.
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Way to provide credibility that you're not a dumb ass.
Also, Nice edit.
you had to edit too. what's the big deal? i replied to you first, and then you highlighted it in red.
also i didn't want the smilies 69ing each other vertically.
----My edit was to put greater emphases on a particular section of a post that I had already emphasized by making bold... after seeing it, I realized it needed greater emphasis... Hence the red text.... You deleted a post entirely.
---- Merely pointing out 69 proves just how immature and childlike you are.
----I followed the whole 'interest' and 'offers' argument... What I was stating is there are so many factors to why a big school wouldn't offer this early. You have no idea if big schools would offer this guy because no one hardly offers this early... So what he's not a top 10 guy? Did we have top 10 guys in 98? Judging now is basing your argument off of speculation and hearsay... NOT FACTUAL INFORMATION. Have you watched film on these guys? Do you know these guys personally? Have you played against them? What gives you any idea that they are bust other than they don't have offers from Schools that NEVER offer 8 months before signing? Why is it so damn hard to believe that these kids are just as likely to excel as to fail? And if the percentage of either one of those outcomes is even than you stating that they are either bust or hidden gems is only a claim to say I told you so if in fact they actually turn out busts. YOU ARE ONLY BEING NEGATIVE BECAUSE YOU FEEL IT IS THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO AND HAVING SUCH BRILLIANT PROGNISTACATION SKILLS GIVES YOU SOME CONFIDENCE IN YOUR SAD PATHETIC LIFE.
What I see when I look at our commits are guys with the framework to become solid football players. Will all of them pan out? NO… Does every 5 star commit pan out? NO. Do I have any other information than Height, weight, speed? NO. Do you? NO
Does anyone know exactly what and how many offers these kids will have before they sign? NO
----My edit was to put greater emphases on a particular section of a post that I had already emphasized by making bold... after seeing it, I realized it needed greater emphasis... Hence the red text.... You deleted a post entirely.
---- Merely pointing out 69 proves just how immature and childlike you are.
----I followed the whole 'interest' and 'offers' argument... What I was stating is there are so many factors to why a big school wouldn't offer this early. You have no idea if big schools would offer this guy because no one hardly offers this early... So what he's not a top 10 guy? Did we have top 10 guys in 98? Judging now is basing your argument off of speculation and hearsay... NOT FACTUAL INFORMATION. Have you watched film on these guys? Do you know these guys personally? Have you played against them? What gives you any idea that they are bust other than they don't have offers from Schools that NEVER offer 8 months before signing? Why is it so damn hard to believe that these kids are just as likely to excel as to fail? And if the percentage of either one of those outcomes is even than you stating that they are either bust or hidden gems is only a claim to say I told you so if in fact they actually turn out busts. YOU ARE ONLY BEING NEGATIVE BECAUSE YOU FEEL IT IS THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO AND HAVING SUCH BRILLIANT PROGNISTACATION SKILLS GIVES YOU SOME CONFIDENCE IN YOUR SAD PATHETIC LIFE.
big schools seem to have already offered many of texas's recruits. the only way they'll offer a guy like this would be if their top choices committed elsewhere, and they need a filler guy. i'm not saying he's going to be a bust. he could be a hidden gem. ksu has a great history of that, but i wouldn't count on a whole class of finding hidden gems. the main reason i started this thread was because of the retarded fans that think interest=offers. funny you mention "factual information". like that one poster said in the thread, interest could mean a variety of things, and very well could be to make him look better on paper. offers are pretty much set in stone. another fact for you is that historically, higher ranked classes=higher ranked teams. once again, he could turn out to be pretty good, but offer-wise, it's not impressive, and there's no way you can spin that into something positive.
also, do you really think prince knows more than every other coach?
Who's to say he does or doesn't? 3 weeks ago you would have said something along the lines.... '15 one star guys?' but now we have 13 un-rated guys and two 4 stars.... crap we could have 5 four stars guys 10 three stars now... no one really knows; Doesn't sound like a terrible class to me. Especially considering most 5 star guys rarely make up their mind until the end of the recruiting season. We could pick up a couple of 5 star guys between now and the next 7 months. Class could pretty easily turn out just like every recruiting class we've ever had. Or it could be the best we've ever had. Not you, nor I, nor anyone alive knows exactly what it looks like now or even what it will look like at the end of the season.
Texas? Big deal, why wouldn't other schools try and recruit THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS commits... If I were a coach and I was deciding who I was going to look at, I would assume that the defending National Champions non-rated recruits are better athletes than Kansas State's Non rated recruits... excuse the metaphor, but a lot of people are interested in what Bill Dance has in his tackle box, because he's Bill Dance. Yet don't care about what other people are out-fishing him with.
Also, funny you try to spin everything I say, yet never answer any of my questions.... DO YOU HAVE ANY FACTUAL INFORMATION? Keep in mind that offers from other schools holds absolutely no bearing on what kind of an athlete a kid CAN be THIS EARLY IN THE RECRUITING PROCESS. Before you go on a rant... Answer these questions for me... If you can't I'll assume that you're a coward.
1. Have you watched film of both KSU's commits, ku's Commits, UT's Commits, NU's Commits, All recruits in Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, etc, etc. etc.
2. Have you met with these guys and know them personally? Have you spoken with anyone that knows them personally?
3. Have you played against these guys?
4. Are you even qualified to assess talent? Are you more qualified to assess talent than a professional that is making several thousands of dollars a year and spending several hundred hours breaking down players from all over the region?
Lastly, I have never disputed that higher ranked recruiting classes = Higher ranked teams... GET THIS THROUGH YOU FU#$1ng SkuLL. THE OFFICIAL RANKINGS FOR THESE CLASSES WON'T COME OUT UNTIL AFTER SIGNING DAY. ARE YOU SO STUPID TO B1TC# ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE AND WON'T BE TRUE FOR ANOTHER 7 MONTHS... Please do us all a favor and admit that it isn't over for a long time now, and this could be a great recruiting class in 7 months or a terrible recruiting class in 7 months; and you have no idea and no opinion on which way it will go. Otherwise we'll all just be ashamed that we have ignorant Wildcat fans among us.
Wow... Why aren't you making the big bucks recruiting for some big college? I mean you know everything about these kids just by listening to what the experts are saying... I just stop this argument now, because you can assign stars to kids by looking at their weight, size and speed.. :love: :love: :love:
ksu will not pick up any 5 star guys. 4 stars are almost all decided, some more could be added. this is how i see they will be rated, based on offers. i've followed recruiting long enough to know offers=stars. of course there's NO WAY of knowing how it will turn out, no S**T sherlock. but we can make a pretty good projection based on size/speed/offers. save this thread until the end of the year. i can see one or two 2 stars making the jump to 3, or a 3 making a jump to 4. not 100% of course, but it'll be close.
brown-4
aufner-3
bell-3
cuba-3
kirk-3
reed-3
rohleder-3
sonier-3
whitmore-3
cherry-2
drinkgern-2
freeze-2
matthews-2
mullins-2
woods-2
NOT GOOD...average of 2.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666667
ok. florida, fsu, usc, etc. unless you don't think ksu can compete with them...(course i don't think ksu will ever be on their level, but they could still steal some of their recruits, snyder did all the time)According to your logic, Florida was the only good example. as they have 9 commits, all who are ranked happen to have 4 stars.
nope. i did have premium for a while, and noticed how offers correlates to stars. funny you keep talking about factual information. everything you're asking me would be based on opinion. i'm basing everything i'm saying on size/speed/offers, you know, information that cannot be spun. if you want opinions, coaches should be the best judge of talent out of everybody, including recruiting "experts". so i'm just echoing their opinions towards recruits. just think about it, maybe it will make sense. i'm not saying these guys won't be players. but these guys can't go unnoticed for forever. when prince first started getting these guys, it was "wait until the big dogs offer". not that offers are being thrown out, barely any to ksu recruits, you HAVE to be concerned.
KSU
Clyde Aufner - None
Demetrius Bell - ASU, CSU, Vandy, SMU
Josh Cherry - None
Jayson Cuba - None
Kaleb Drinkgern - None
Colten Freeze -None
Payton Kirk -None
Kendrick Matthews -UTEP
J.J. Mullins - None
Kevin Rohleder -None
Tyrone Sonier - Indiana, Michigan State, Missouri, UTEP
A.J. Whitmore - LTU
Justin Woods -None
13 Commits, 10 offers, 4 from BCS schools
CU
Ballenger - Idaho State
Perkins - None
Smith - ASU, Temple, Virginia, Toledo
3 Commits, 5 offers, 2 BCS Schools
ISU
Bates - NU
Green - UTEP
2 Commits, 2 offers, 1 BCS School
MU
Webb - None
Lambert - None
2 Commits, 0 Offers
ku
Tuck - Arizona
Ballard - KSU, UGA, ASU, Michgan, UCLA, OU
2 Recruits, 8 offers, 8 BCS offers
NU
Paul - ISU
West - Arizona, ISU, Boise state
Davis - KSU, ku, MU, Alabama, Iowa, CU, Arkie
3 Commits, 12 Offers, 11 BCS offers
OU, 4 commits, 12 BCS offers
OSU, 3 Commits, 1 BCS Offer
Texas, 19 Commits, 6 Billions BCS offers
TTU, 2 Commits, 9 BCS offers
Aggy, 7 commits, 24 BCS offes.
Baylor, 6 commits, 10 BCS offers
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=1753.0
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funny you keep talking about factual information. everything you're asking me would be based on opinion. i'm basing everything i'm saying on size/speed/offers, you know, information that cannot be spun. if you want opinions, coaches should be the best judge of talent out of everybody, including recruiting "experts". so i'm just echoing their opinions towards recruits.
sorry for the delay, but reading back over your post and realized you made my point so clearly that even you can't ignore it:Quotefunny you keep talking about factual information. everything you're asking me would be based on opinion. i'm basing everything i'm saying on size/speed/offers, you know, information that cannot be spun. if you want opinions, coaches should be the best judge of talent out of everybody, including recruiting "experts". so i'm just echoing their opinions towards recruits.
I'm not saying I have factual information, I'm asking you if you or anyone has faction information. Why you are concerned about OPINIONS. The factual information will come on the field. Opinions don't mean sh1t as they are the same opinions that gave D. Davis and P. Holakeituai 5 stars.
According to your logic, Florida was the only good example. as they have 9 commits, all who are ranked happen to have 4 stars.
FSU - two commits - one four star.
USC - 5 commits - 1 five star - 3 four stars... Wow their back to back national championship is helping them recruit soo much better than us.
Keep giving me examples, and I'll keep blowing them off as crap stats.
Are these the same experts that predicted us to win the big 12 north in 2004? And you're telling me that all a Prince really needs to be a good recruiter is a subsription to premium content? Wow, I'd better email him and let him know!
Again, Basing everyting off of size/speed/offers is great and all if you're playing playstation and even the experts will admit that there is no science to recruiting and that they are wrong more than they are right. There might be 5 guys in the country that are guaranteed to be a lock for a future NFL star. Everyone else is a guess at a successful college career. Therefore I don't HAVE to be concerned because I believe a good coach can mold most college players to be great athletes... If you want to argue that Coach Prince isn't one of those coaches, you may have an arguement next year as that is more of an exact science than assigning stars.
I'm getting the feeling that you are 12 years old or a ku fan.
noter dame, miami, tamu, ou, clemson, ucla, michigan, lsu.....
blah blah blah...what the hell am i supposed to argue then? first you want facts, which size/speed/offers are the only variables set in stone. then you question my expertise on recruiting, and now i'm supposed to be an excellent judge of talent to criticize ksu's recruiting? well, i know for one thing, coaches are probably more expert than anyone else out there, and basing your opinion entirely off of offers would reflect the opinion of coaches. what do you want?
classic. i am looking forward to partying it up at ku. the hawk is tight, and they have tight concerts in lawrence (311, matisyahu, death cab, james blunt, etc) or in kc.:ustupid:
rock chalk jayhawk
classic. i am looking forward to partying it up at ku. the hawk is tight, and they have tight concerts in lawrence (311, matisyahu, death cab, james blunt, etc) or in kc.
rock chalk jayhawk
omg, you had to edit your post!!! hahahahahaha you suck at life!!!!
well, if we had to wait 2-3 years to see the results, that would take out the fun of following recruiting
doesn't matter this early idiot.
Keep giving me examples, and I'll keep blowing them off as crap stats.
Are you an idiot... When did I ever say that I wanted facts.... I Asked did you or anyone HAVE facts? All you have is OPINIONS. I don't give a sh1t who's opinions they are, because there are obviously opinions out there to contradict your opinions. What I want is for you to admit that you don't know anything and the only reason you are on here is to ruffle a couple of feathers...
Quoteclassic. i am looking forward to partying it up at ku. the hawk is tight, and they have tight concerts in lawrence (311, matisyahu, death cab, james blunt, etc) or in kc.
rock chalk jayhawk
Stunner = Big-time ku fan in a few months. :(
Stunner = Big-time ku fan in a few months. :(
ksu will not pick up any 5 star guys. 4 stars are almost all decided, some more could be added. this is how i see they will be rated, based on offers. i've followed recruiting long enough to know offers=stars. of course there's NO WAY of knowing how it will turn out, no S**T sherlock. but we can make a pretty good projection based on size/speed/offers. save this thread until the end of the year. i can see one or two 2 stars making the jump to 3, or a 3 making a jump to 4. not 100% of course, but it'll be close.
brown-4
aufner-3
bell-3
cuba-3
kirk-3
reed-3
rohleder-3
sonier-3
whitmore-3
cherry-2
drinkgern-2
freeze-2
matthews-2
mullins-2
woods-2
NOT GOOD...average of 2.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666667
Stunner = Big-time ku fan in a few months. :(
:crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby:
ksu will not pick up any 5 star guys. 4 stars are almost all decided, some more could be added. this is how i see they will be rated, based on offers. i've followed recruiting long enough to know offers=stars. of course there's NO WAY of knowing how it will turn out, no S**T sherlock. but we can make a pretty good projection based on size/speed/offers. save this thread until the end of the year. i can see one or two 2 stars making the jump to 3, or a 3 making a jump to 4. not 100% of course, but it'll be close.
brown-4
aufner-3
bell-3
cuba-3
kirk-3
reed-3
rohleder-3
sonier-3
whitmore-3
cherry-2
drinkgern-2
freeze-2
matthews-2
mullins-2
woods-2
NOT GOOD...average of 2.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666667
Look at the bright side, an average of 2.67 is better than Snyder's last class.
And that class contained the four star gems:
Jonathan Lewis - no show
Willie Williams - no show
Steve Burch - no impact
Even in chicken little world we're improving.
Stunner = Big-time ku fan in a few months. :(
:crybaby: :crybaby: :crybaby:
It's the truth. You will go there for new student orientation, you will sing the fight song (rack chalk jayhawk)...mingle with Sheryl and Darren and that will be that.
i'm coming back for games though.
they didn't give derek myer or zach diles any stars. and you don't know how williams or lewis will do, if we still had snyder, they'd probably be here.
they didn't give derek myer or zach diles any stars. and you don't know how williams or lewis will do, if we still had snyder, they'd probably be here.
Better is better.
And if Williams and Lewis did come to KSU, it wouldn't have been part of the 2005 class.
So unless you want to argue that Diles and Meyer should have been five star recruits, Prince has improved over Snyder's last class.
Are you that stupid?
i'm coming back for games though.
Don't. You've made your choice. You know you could have easily gone to KSU.
Pharmacy? WTF is wrong with you??? You are ORIENTAL. Get with the program and do engineering!!
"Oh..but my frait (sp?) brothers...they are so cool! They laugh at all my jokes!!" - ksuno1stunner
they didn't give derek myer or zach diles any stars. and you don't know how williams or lewis will do, if we still had snyder, they'd probably be here.
Better is better.
And if Williams and Lewis did come to KSU, it wouldn't have been part of the 2005 class.
So unless you want to argue that Diles and Meyer should have been five star recruits, Prince has improved over Snyder's last class.
Are you that stupid?
there were 68 stars total, divide by 26 = 2.62. being generous, diles should at least be a 3 star, and derek meyer a 2 star. that number goes up to 2.81. on the williams and lewis thing, we didn't know that at the time. we don't know who's going to leave from the 2006 class. if you want to go deeper, patton, kendall, and johnson were snyder's recruits. snyder also would of had a commitment from lewis and daniels. given the recruits prince has been recruiting rating-wise, he probably would not of replaced snyder's recruits with higher rated ones. so if he had a whole recruiting season, the 2.52 average might have been even worse. of course, there are other variables that determine whether or not if a player is any good. but what we are discussing right now is strictly the ratings of the players. that's all we know right now, and is probably the only measuring stick in figuring out who is the better recruiter, without looking at tape, etc (don't give me the "but look at the inside.kstatesports videos, they're SOOOO good"...they're HIGHLIGHT tapes. i would hope they look good if they really are d1 athletes, playing vs. high schoolers).
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i can only wonder the recruits snyder would have pulled in last year :love:. picking up patton, kendall, daniels, lewis, and johnson was a solid start.
I think what is honestly going on here is that a couple of people didn't like Prince from the begining for whatever reason. What other possibility would there be for a loyal KSU fan to not let Coach Prince coach a single game before talking about him as the worst thing that ever happened to us. It's sickening. When he was hired, I was told by a random fan that he would not last long because KSU is nothing but a bunch of redneck hicks that wouldn't allow a black man be in such a position of power over the town of Manhattan. I told him he was an ignorant fool that didn't know anything about KSU fans. But the way some people are reacting... I'm honestly starting to wonder why some are so critical this early in his career. Tons of unproven coaches that have had less early success with fan enthusiasm as well as a shocker recruit of Josh Freeman sign have had much more leeway than Coach Prince has. I'm not asking anyone to lower their standards. But for Gods sake, let one season go by before you pass judgement.
Cue the infantile responses. I know half of you guys are dying to do it.... here i'll get you losers started: :jerkoff: :blahblah: :ustupid: :onthecan: :chirp: :tongue:
O.K., you are that stupid. My bad. I'll not overestimate you again.
Right now this class is rated better than Snyder's last class was at signing. After signing that class only got worse as two of the 3 top recruits failed to show.
Recruiting has gotten better since Snyder's last class.
The only way you can get Snyder's class to be higher rated is to play a game of what ifs, and those what ifs never even F**King happened. I'd laugh if I wasn't saddened to see a Wildcat reduced to the pile of puss I have encountered here.
At this point Prince's class represents an improvement over Snyder's last class.
Saying otherwise sounds like a Johnson County ku bitch that's dated the entire '95 HKSUer football team for so long she's gone Schiavo.
I think what is honestly going on here is that a couple of people didn't like Prince from the begining for whatever reason. What other possibility would there be for a loyal KSU fan to not let Coach Prince coach a single game before talking about him as the worst thing that ever happened to us. It's sickening. When he was hired, I was told by a random fan that he would not last long because KSU is nothing but a bunch of redneck hicks that wouldn't allow a black man be in such a position of power over the town of Manhattan. I told him he was an ignorant fool that didn't know anything about KSU fans. But the way some people are reacting... I'm honestly starting to wonder why some are so critical this early in his career. Tons of unproven coaches that have had less early success with fan enthusiasm as well as a shocker recruit of Josh Freeman sign have had much more leeway than Coach Prince has. I'm not asking anyone to lower their standards. But for Gods sake, let one season go by before you pass judgement.
Cue the infantile responses. I know half of you guys are dying to do it.... here i'll get you losers started: :jerkoff: :blahblah: :ustupid: :onthecan: :chirp: :tongue:
I think what is honestly going on here is that a couple of people didn't like Prince from the begining for whatever reason. What other possibility would there be for a loyal KSU fan to not let Coach Prince coach a single game before talking about him as the worst thing that ever happened to us. It's sickening. When he was hired, I was told by a random fan that he would not last long because KSU is nothing but a bunch of redneck hicks that wouldn't allow a black man be in such a position of power over the town of Manhattan. I told him he was an ignorant fool that didn't know anything about KSU fans. But the way some people are reacting... I'm honestly starting to wonder why some are so critical this early in his career. Tons of unproven coaches that have had less early success with fan enthusiasm as well as a shocker recruit of Josh Freeman sign have had much more leeway than Coach Prince has. I'm not asking anyone to lower their standards. But for Gods sake, let one season go by before you pass judgement.
Cue the infantile responses. I know half of you guys are dying to do it.... here i'll get you losers started: :jerkoff: :blahblah: :ustupid: :onthecan: :chirp: :tongue:
i was in love with prince when he was hired. when he signed freeman, i wanted to make sweet, sweet love with prince. my gopowercat sig included "Prince...is AMAZING", with pictures of a lot of the 06 recruits. but now...man...i just don't know anymore. bring back snyder!!! just get new assistants!!!
wrong. snyder started out with two 4 stars, and three 3 star high school players. prince finished it off with freeman, a bunch of 3 star jucos, and a bunch of 2 star high schoolers (he only 3 star high schoolers to his credit is carney and krehbiel). that's not a what if, it actually did happen. the only highlight of prince's class this year is lamark brown, and he's shopping around. i wish i had rivals premium so i could accurately show you the offers that each of snyder's players received in comparison (which is pretty much the only way we can judge them by now). it was a while ago, but from digging up old articles, using scout, and from what i remember... (high schooler recuits, and get ready to cry and reminisce about the good times, fatty):
chandler-ku
childs-asu, csu, iowa, mizzou, t-tech, washington state, tulsa
diehl-asu, csu, colorado, ku, sdsu, wyoming
greer-grayshirt
herndon-ku, tulsa, i don't know about the rest, gp lists g-tech, houston, and vandy, scout doesn't list those
hollis-miss state, nu, baylor, duke
lewis (i know he didn't come, but still a recruiting victory for Snyder)-arkansas, smu, tcu, t-tech, tamu, wisconsin, ok state, ku
lopina-asu, arizona, oregon state
lowe-colorado, baylor, oregon
meyer-nobody
prater-iowa state, ku, michigan
richards-nobody
rosel-nobody
roxas-no F**King clue, i think he had a few pac 10 offers
stringer-ku, mizzou, ok state, oklahoma
taylor-ku, utep
unruh-i don't think anybody, his leg was broken
walker-colorado state, oregon, oregon state, unlv, washington, washington state,
18 hs commits, 48 offers (that i'm positive of), 39 bcs offers
this years class:
KSU
Clyde Aufner - None
Demetrius Bell - ASU, CSU, Vandy, SMU
Lamark Brown - Indiana, ku, Mizzou, NU
Josh Cherry - None
Jayson Cuba - None
Kaleb Drinkgern - None
Colten Freeze -None
Payton Kirk -None
Kendrick Matthews -UTEP
J.J. Mullins - None
Jeremy Reed - ku, Purdue
Kevin Rohleder -None
Tyrone Sonier - Indiana, Michigan State, Missouri, UTEP
A.J. Whitmore - LTU
Justin Woods -None
15 Commits, 16 offers, 10 from BCS schools
07 has a LONG ways to catch up with 05 offer-wise
It's rare to see an adult actually increase their stupidity in such a short period of time.
:jerkoff:But the way some people are reacting... I'm honestly starting to wonder why some are so critical this early in his career. Tons of unproven coaches that have had less early success with fan enthusiasm as well as a shocker recruit of Josh Freeman sign have had much more leeway than Coach Prince has. I'm not asking anyone to lower their standards. But for Gods sake, let one season go by before you pass judgement.
i was in love with prince when he was hired. when he signed freeman, i wanted to make sweet, sweet love with prince. my gopowercat sig included "Prince...is AMAZING", with pictures of a lot of the 06 recruits. but now...man...i just don't know anymore. bring back snyder!!! just get new assistants!!!
Now you're comparing a class finalized in february to a class in JUNE.
You really are that stupid. And you still can't escape the fact that Prince has improved recruiting from Snyders last class. All you can do is deny the facts, adjust star ratings, compare february offers to june offers and make yourself look like the childish imp you must be.
Diles and Meyer get no stars....EVER....and you gift them five stars. But in JUNE you bitch about stars for current recruits.
Derek Meyer is F**King your mother. Either that or you're taking it from Derek directly.
When you went home to visit mommy was Derek giving her the ole dirty sanchez?
Only that kind of complete mind F**K job can explain your departure from sanity in how you try to justify your present ramblings.
It's rare to see an adult actually increase their stupidity in such a short period of time.
Whoa there Mr. White.... This guy or chic or whatever isn't an Adult.... It can't even go into a bar and buy a beer... Besides... Who gives a crap about Stunner... He/She's a ku fan.