"Interest" from Miami is like a fart in a whirlwind.

[ksuno1stunner]

doesn't matter this early idiot.

Keep giving me examples, and I'll keep blowing them off as crap stats. 

i know they were good examples

Are you an idiot... When did I ever say that I wanted facts.... I Asked did you or anyone HAVE facts?  All you have is OPINIONS.  I don't give a sh1t who's opinions they are, because there are obviously opinions out there to contradict your opinions.  What I want is for you to admit that you don't know anything and the only reason you are on here is to ruffle a couple of feathers...

i know everything about football.  especially the cornerback position.  and i aslo did ruffle a couple of feathers on here (you).

classic.  i am looking forward to partying it up at ku.  the hawk is tight, and they have tight concerts in lawrence (311, matisyahu, death cab, james blunt, etc) or in kc.

rock chalk jayhawk

 

[FBWillie]

Stunner = Big-time ku fan in a few months. :(

As long as everyone knows Stunner is never welcome as a KSU fan. Not even to root for Huggy.

Stunner:  You have been excommunicated.

[ksuno1stunner]

Stunner = Big-time ku fan in a few months. :(

 

[MrWhite]

ksu will not pick up any 5 star guys.  4 stars are almost all decided, some more could be added.  this is how i see they will be rated, based on offers.  i've followed recruiting long enough to know offers=stars.  of course there's NO WAY of knowing how it will turn out, no S**T sherlock.  but we can make a pretty good projection based on size/speed/offers.  save this thread until the end of the year.  i can see one or two 2 stars making the jump to 3, or a 3 making a jump to 4.  not 100% of course, but it'll be close.

brown-4
aufner-3
bell-3
cuba-3
kirk-3
reed-3
rohleder-3
sonier-3
whitmore-3
cherry-2
drinkgern-2
freeze-2
matthews-2
mullins-2
woods-2

NOT GOOD...average of 2.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666667

Look at the bright side, an average of 2.67 is better than Snyder's last class.

And that class contained the four star gems:
Jonathan Lewis - no show
Willie Williams - no show
Steve Burch - no impact

Even in chicken little world we're improving.

[fatty fat fat]

Stunner = Big-time ku fan in a few months. :(

 

It's the truth. You will go there for new student orientation, you will sing the fight song (rack chalk jayhawk)...mingle with Sheryl and Darren and that will be that.

[ksuno1stunner]

ksu will not pick up any 5 star guys.  4 stars are almost all decided, some more could be added.  this is how i see they will be rated, based on offers.  i've followed recruiting long enough to know offers=stars.  of course there's NO WAY of knowing how it will turn out, no S**T sherlock.  but we can make a pretty good projection based on size/speed/offers.  save this thread until the end of the year.  i can see one or two 2 stars making the jump to 3, or a 3 making a jump to 4.  not 100% of course, but it'll be close.

brown-4
aufner-3
bell-3
cuba-3
kirk-3
reed-3
rohleder-3
sonier-3
whitmore-3
cherry-2
drinkgern-2
freeze-2
matthews-2
mullins-2
woods-2

NOT GOOD...average of 2.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666667

Look at the bright side, an average of 2.67 is better than Snyder's last class.

And that class contained the four star gems:
Jonathan Lewis - no show
Willie Williams - no show
Steve Burch - no impact

Even in chicken little world we're improving.

they didn't give derek myer or zach diles any stars.  and you don't know how williams or lewis will do, if we still had snyder, they'd probably be here.

[ksuno1stunner]

Stunner = Big-time ku fan in a few months. :(

 

It's the truth. You will go there for new student orientation, you will sing the fight song (rack chalk jayhawk)...mingle with Sheryl and Darren and that will be that.

i'll admit it will be tough.  especially living in a house with 70 other diehard fans.  i'm coming back for games though.

[fatty fat fat]

i'm coming back for games though.

Don't. You've made your choice. You know you could have easily gone to KSU.

Pharmacy? WTF is wrong with you??? You are ORIENTAL. Get with the program and do engineering!!

"Oh..but my frait (sp?) brothers...they are so cool! They laugh at all my jokes!!" - ksuno1stunner

[MrWhite]

they didn't give derek myer or zach diles any stars.  and you don't know how williams or lewis will do, if we still had snyder, they'd probably be here.

Better is better.

And if Williams and Lewis did come to KSU, it wouldn't have been part of the 2005 class.

So unless you want to argue that Diles and Meyer should have been five star recruits, Prince has improved over Snyder's last class.

Are you that stupid?

[ksuno1stunner]

they didn't give derek myer or zach diles any stars.  and you don't know how williams or lewis will do, if we still had snyder, they'd probably be here.

Better is better.

And if Williams and Lewis did come to KSU, it wouldn't have been part of the 2005 class.

So unless you want to argue that Diles and Meyer should have been five star recruits, Prince has improved over Snyder's last class.

Are you that stupid?

there were 68 stars total, divide by 26 = 2.62.  being generous, diles should at least be a 3 star, and derek meyer a 2 star.  that number goes up to 2.81.  on the williams and lewis thing, we didn't know that at the time.  we don't know who's going to leave from the 2006 class.  if you want to go deeper, patton, kendall, and johnson were snyder's recruits.  snyder also would of had a commitment from lewis and daniels.  given the recruits prince has been recruiting rating-wise, he probably would not of replaced snyder's recruits with higher rated ones.  so if he had a whole recruiting season, the 2.52 average might have been even worse.  of course, there are other variables that determine whether or not if a player is any good.  but what we are discussing right now is strictly the ratings of the players.  that's all we know right now, and is probably the only measuring stick in figuring out who is the better recruiter, without looking at tape, etc (don't give me the "but look at the inside.kstatesports videos, they're SOOOO good"...they're HIGHLIGHT tapes.  i would hope they look good if they really are d1 athletes, playing vs. high schoolers).

 


i can only wonder the recruits snyder would have pulled in last year .  picking up patton, kendall, daniels, lewis, and johnson was a solid start.

[ksuno1stunner]

i'm coming back for games though.

Don't. You've made your choice. You know you could have easily gone to KSU.

Pharmacy? WTF is wrong with you??? You are ORIENTAL. Get with the program and do engineering!!

"Oh..but my frait (sp?) brothers...they are so cool! They laugh at all my jokes!!" - ksuno1stunner

 

dude, 100k starting out 

ok so i sold out, but i can't say no to that

[sonofdaxjones]

I can't help but laugh a little.  Some squawk tried to tell me that KSU didn't have any "professional" programs besides the Vet School.

I asked him if he thought Engineers, Architects, Accountants, Teachers etc. etc. were professionals.   If you get a doctorate in Nuclear Engineering ... you're not a professional??

[fatty fat fat]

Start at KSU..transfer to ku after 2 years.

HTH

[MrWhite]

they didn't give derek myer or zach diles any stars.  and you don't know how williams or lewis will do, if we still had snyder, they'd probably be here.

Better is better.

And if Williams and Lewis did come to KSU, it wouldn't have been part of the 2005 class.

So unless you want to argue that Diles and Meyer should have been five star recruits, Prince has improved over Snyder's last class.

Are you that stupid?

there were 68 stars total, divide by 26 = 2.62.  being generous, diles should at least be a 3 star, and derek meyer a 2 star.  that number goes up to 2.81.  on the williams and lewis thing, we didn't know that at the time.  we don't know who's going to leave from the 2006 class.  if you want to go deeper, patton, kendall, and johnson were snyder's recruits.  snyder also would of had a commitment from lewis and daniels.  given the recruits prince has been recruiting rating-wise, he probably would not of replaced snyder's recruits with higher rated ones.  so if he had a whole recruiting season, the 2.52 average might have been even worse.  of course, there are other variables that determine whether or not if a player is any good.  but what we are discussing right now is strictly the ratings of the players.  that's all we know right now, and is probably the only measuring stick in figuring out who is the better recruiter, without looking at tape, etc (don't give me the "but look at the inside.kstatesports videos, they're SOOOO good"...they're HIGHLIGHT tapes.  i would hope they look good if they really are d1 athletes, playing vs. high schoolers).

 


i can only wonder the recruits snyder would have pulled in last year .  picking up patton, kendall, daniels, lewis, and johnson was a solid start.

O.K., you are that stupid.  My bad.  I'll not overestimate you again.

Right now this class is rated better than Snyder's last class was at signing.  After signing that class only got worse as two of the 3 top recruits failed to show.

Recruiting has gotten better since Snyder's last class.

The only way you can get Snyder's class to be higher rated is to play a game of what ifs, and those what ifs never even &@#%ing happened.  I'd laugh if I wasn't saddened to see a Wildcat reduced to the pile of puss I have encountered here.

At this point Prince's class represents an improvement over Snyder's last class. 

Saying otherwise sounds like a Johnson County ku bitch that's dated the entire '95 HKSUer football team for so long she's gone Schiavo.

[FBWillie]

I think what is honestly going on here is that a couple of people didn't like Prince from the begining for whatever reason.  What other possibility would there be for a loyal KSU fan to not let Coach Prince coach a single game before talking about him as the worst thing that ever happened to us.  It's sickening.  When he was hired, I was told by a random fan that he would not last long because KSU is nothing but a bunch of redneck hicks that wouldn't allow a black man be in such a position of power over the town of Manhattan.  I told him he was an ignorant fool that didn't know anything about KSU fans.  But the way some people are reacting... I'm honestly starting to wonder why some are so critical this early in his career.  Tons of unproven coaches that have had less early success with fan enthusiasm as well as a shocker recruit of Josh Freeman sign have had much more leeway than Coach Prince has. I'm not asking anyone to lower their standards. But for Gods sake, let one season go by before you pass judgement.   

Cue the infantile responses. I know half of you guys are dying to do it....   here i'll get you losers started: 

[swish1]

I think what is honestly going on here is that a couple of people didn't like Prince from the begining for whatever reason.  What other possibility would there be for a loyal KSU fan to not let Coach Prince coach a single game before talking about him as the worst thing that ever happened to us.  It's sickening.  When he was hired, I was told by a random fan that he would not last long because KSU is nothing but a bunch of redneck hicks that wouldn't allow a black man be in such a position of power over the town of Manhattan.  I told him he was an ignorant fool that didn't know anything about KSU fans.  But the way some people are reacting... I'm honestly starting to wonder why some are so critical this early in his career.  Tons of unproven coaches that have had less early success with fan enthusiasm as well as a shocker recruit of Josh Freeman sign have had much more leeway than Coach Prince has. I'm not asking anyone to lower their standards. But for Gods sake, let one season go by before you pass judgement.   

Cue the infantile responses. I know half of you guys are dying to do it....   here i'll get you losers started: 

honestly ive heard the same response about the situation with prince but its always from a ku fan so i just blow it off.

[ksuno1stunner]

O.K., you are that stupid.  My bad.  I'll not overestimate you again.

Right now this class is rated better than Snyder's last class was at signing.  After signing that class only got worse as two of the 3 top recruits failed to show.

Recruiting has gotten better since Snyder's last class.

The only way you can get Snyder's class to be higher rated is to play a game of what ifs, and those what ifs never even F**King happened.  I'd laugh if I wasn't saddened to see a Wildcat reduced to the pile of puss I have encountered here.

At this point Prince's class represents an improvement over Snyder's last class.

Saying otherwise sounds like a Johnson County ku bitch that's dated the entire '95 HKSUer football team for so long she's gone Schiavo.

wrong.  snyder started out with two 4 stars, and three 3 star high school players.  prince finished it off with freeman, a bunch of 3 star jucos, and a bunch of 2 star high schoolers (he only 3 star high schoolers to his credit is carney and krehbiel).  that's not a what if, it actually did happen.  the only highlight of prince's class this year is lamark brown, and he's shopping around.  i wish i had rivals premium so i could accurately show you the offers that each of snyder's players received in comparison (which is pretty much the only way we can judge them by now).  it was a while ago, but from digging up old articles, using scout, and from what i remember... (high schooler recuits, and get ready to cry and reminisce about the good times, fatty):

chandler-ku
childs-asu, csu, iowa, mizzou, t-tech, washington state, tulsa
diehl-asu, csu, colorado, ku, sdsu, wyoming
greer-grayshirt
herndon-ku, tulsa, i don't know about the rest, gp lists g-tech, houston, and vandy, scout doesn't list those
hollis-miss state, nu, baylor, duke
lewis (i know he didn't come, but still a recruiting victory for Snyder)-arkansas, smu, tcu, t-tech, tamu, wisconsin, ok state, ku
lopina-asu, arizona, oregon state
lowe-colorado, baylor, oregon
meyer-nobody
prater-iowa state, ku, michigan
richards-nobody
rosel-nobody
roxas-no &@#%ing clue, i think he had a few pac 10 offers
stringer-ku, mizzou, ok state, oklahoma
taylor-ku, utep
unruh-i don't think anybody, his leg was broken
walker-colorado state, oregon, oregon state, unlv, washington, washington state,

18 hs commits, 48 offers (that i'm positive of), 39 bcs offers


this years class:
KSU
Clyde Aufner   - None
Demetrius Bell - ASU, CSU, Vandy, SMU
Lamark Brown - Indiana, ku, Mizzou, NU
Josh Cherry   - None
Jayson Cuba    - None
Kaleb Drinkgern - None
Colten Freeze   -None
Payton Kirk -None
Kendrick Matthews -UTEP   
J.J. Mullins   - None
Jeremy Reed - ku, Purdue
Kevin Rohleder   -None
Tyrone Sonier   - Indiana, Michigan State, Missouri, UTEP
A.J. Whitmore   - LTU
Justin Woods -None

15 Commits, 16 offers, 10 from BCS schools


07 has a LONG ways to catch up with 05 offer-wise

[ksuno1stunner]

^^^^^HAVE I MADE MY POINT CLEAR^^^^^

[ksuno1stunner]

I think what is honestly going on here is that a couple of people didn't like Prince from the begining for whatever reason.  What other possibility would there be for a loyal KSU fan to not let Coach Prince coach a single game before talking about him as the worst thing that ever happened to us.  It's sickening.  When he was hired, I was told by a random fan that he would not last long because KSU is nothing but a bunch of redneck hicks that wouldn't allow a black man be in such a position of power over the town of Manhattan.  I told him he was an ignorant fool that didn't know anything about KSU fans.  But the way some people are reacting... I'm honestly starting to wonder why some are so critical this early in his career.  Tons of unproven coaches that have had less early success with fan enthusiasm as well as a shocker recruit of Josh Freeman sign have had much more leeway than Coach Prince has. I'm not asking anyone to lower their standards. But for Gods sake, let one season go by before you pass judgement.   

Cue the infantile responses. I know half of you guys are dying to do it....   here i'll get you losers started: 

i was in love with prince when he was hired.  when he signed freeman, i wanted to make sweet, sweet love with prince.  my gopowercat sig included "Prince...is AMAZING", with pictures of a lot of the 06 recruits.  but now...man...i just don't know anymore.  bring back snyder!!!  just get new assistants!!!

[mjrod]

I think what is honestly going on here is that a couple of people didn't like Prince from the begining for whatever reason.  What other possibility would there be for a loyal KSU fan to not let Coach Prince coach a single game before talking about him as the worst thing that ever happened to us.  It's sickening.  When he was hired, I was told by a random fan that he would not last long because KSU is nothing but a bunch of redneck hicks that wouldn't allow a black man be in such a position of power over the town of Manhattan.  I told him he was an ignorant fool that didn't know anything about KSU fans.  But the way some people are reacting... I'm honestly starting to wonder why some are so critical this early in his career.  Tons of unproven coaches that have had less early success with fan enthusiasm as well as a shocker recruit of Josh Freeman sign have had much more leeway than Coach Prince has. I'm not asking anyone to lower their standards. But for Gods sake, let one season go by before you pass judgement.   

Cue the infantile responses. I know half of you guys are dying to do it....   here i'll get you losers started: 

i was in love with prince when he was hired.  when he signed freeman, i wanted to make sweet, sweet love with prince.  my gopowercat sig included "Prince...is AMAZING", with pictures of a lot of the 06 recruits.  but now...man...i just don't know anymore.  bring back snyder!!!  just get new assistants!!!

I'm curious as to why you think the kids that have committed will not be good for us.

Use some of your "DB skills" to analyze it.

[opcat]

Does Ksustunner realize there were no rivals or scouts when Snyder took over ? 

I see a big difference in recruiting. We landed some D-ends and got some commits that wouldn't have come here previously.

[MrWhite]

wrong.  snyder started out with two 4 stars, and three 3 star high school players.  prince finished it off with freeman, a bunch of 3 star jucos, and a bunch of 2 star high schoolers (he only 3 star high schoolers to his credit is carney and krehbiel).  that's not a what if, it actually did happen.  the only highlight of prince's class this year is lamark brown, and he's shopping around.  i wish i had rivals premium so i could accurately show you the offers that each of snyder's players received in comparison (which is pretty much the only way we can judge them by now).  it was a while ago, but from digging up old articles, using scout, and from what i remember... (high schooler recuits, and get ready to cry and reminisce about the good times, fatty):

chandler-ku
childs-asu, csu, iowa, mizzou, t-tech, washington state, tulsa
diehl-asu, csu, colorado, ku, sdsu, wyoming
greer-grayshirt
herndon-ku, tulsa, i don't know about the rest, gp lists g-tech, houston, and vandy, scout doesn't list those
hollis-miss state, nu, baylor, duke
lewis (i know he didn't come, but still a recruiting victory for Snyder)-arkansas, smu, tcu, t-tech, tamu, wisconsin, ok state, ku
lopina-asu, arizona, oregon state
lowe-colorado, baylor, oregon
meyer-nobody
prater-iowa state, ku, michigan
richards-nobody
rosel-nobody
roxas-no F**King clue, i think he had a few pac 10 offers
stringer-ku, mizzou, ok state, oklahoma
taylor-ku, utep
unruh-i don't think anybody, his leg was broken
walker-colorado state, oregon, oregon state, unlv, washington, washington state,

18 hs commits, 48 offers (that i'm positive of), 39 bcs offers


this years class:
KSU
Clyde Aufner   - None
Demetrius Bell - ASU, CSU, Vandy, SMU
Lamark Brown - Indiana, ku, Mizzou, NU
Josh Cherry   - None
Jayson Cuba    - None
Kaleb Drinkgern - None
Colten Freeze   -None
Payton Kirk -None
Kendrick Matthews -UTEP   
J.J. Mullins   - None
Jeremy Reed - ku, Purdue
Kevin Rohleder   -None
Tyrone Sonier   - Indiana, Michigan State, Missouri, UTEP
A.J. Whitmore   - LTU
Justin Woods -None

15 Commits, 16 offers, 10 from BCS schools


07 has a LONG ways to catch up with 05 offer-wise

It's rare to see an adult actually increase their stupidity in such a short period of time.

Now you're comparing a class finalized in february to a class in JUNE.

You really are that stupid.  And you still can't escape the fact that Prince has improved recruiting from Snyders last class.  All you can do is deny the facts, adjust star ratings, compare february offers to june offers and make yourself look like the childish imp you must be.

Diles and Meyer get no stars....EVER....and you gift them five stars.  But in JUNE you bitch about stars for current recruits.

I think I've figured it out.

Derek Meyer is &@#%ing your mother.  Either that or you're taking it from Derek directly.

When you went home to visit mommy was Derek giving her the ole dirty sanchez? 

Only that kind of complete mind &@#% job can explain your departure from sanity in how you try to justify your present ramblings.

[FBWillie]

It's rare to see an adult actually increase their stupidity in such a short period of time.

Whoa there Mr. White.... This guy or chic or whatever isn't an Adult.... It can't even go into a bar and buy a beer... Besides... Who gives a crap about Stunner... He/She's a ku fan.

[FBWillie]

But the way some people are reacting... I'm honestly starting to wonder why some are so critical this early in his career.  Tons of unproven coaches that have had less early success with fan enthusiasm as well as a shocker recruit of Josh Freeman sign have had much more leeway than Coach Prince has. I'm not asking anyone to lower their standards. But for Gods sake, let one season go by before you pass judgement.   

i was in love with prince when he was hired.  when he signed freeman, i wanted to make sweet, sweet love with prince.  my gopowercat sig included "Prince...is AMAZING", with pictures of a lot of the 06 recruits.  but now...man...i just don't know anymore.  bring back snyder!!!  just get new assistants!!!

[ksuno1stunner]

Now you're comparing a class finalized in february to a class in JUNE.

i know their offers will increase, but do you realize how many offers this class would need to equal the 05 amount?

You really are that stupid.  And you still can't escape the fact that Prince has improved recruiting from Snyders last class.  All you can do is deny the facts, adjust star ratings, compare february offers to june offers and make yourself look like the childish imp you must be.

i'd say offers are a pretty good judge of talent.  it's simple, really.  a school wants a player, they offer.  if they don't want them, they don't offer.  the more offers a player has, the more likely they are of being a better player.  it's not like schools offer to whoever they feel like.  they do a crap ton more research than any of us on here combined x 100.  so basing a class on that should be pretty accurate.  that's all i'm saying, yet people still don't understand, and say that lame "stars don't matter" bs.  you only hear that from teams that can't recruit.  why is everyone in love with lamark brown, even those that say they don't believe in the star system?  because he has 4 stars and 5 bcs offers.  it's not because we've seen video, or have played with him.  he's got good size, but 4.55 isn't blazing speed, especially since most of those numbers are stretched.  jeremy mack has similar size/speed, but why does nobody care about him?  because nobody wants him.

Diles and Meyer get no stars....EVER....and you gift them five stars.  But in JUNE you bitch about stars for current recruits.

do you follow ksu recruiting at all?  diles and meyer were late additions to the team.  diles came like the summer before the season started, and (correct me if i'm wrong) i'm pretty sure meyer was a grey shirt.  that being said, diles should of been a 3 star, and meyer (like any other walkon or greyshirt) is a 2.

Derek Meyer is F**King your mother.  Either that or you're taking it from Derek directly.

When you went home to visit mommy was Derek giving her the ole dirty sanchez? 

wow...mom jokes  .  and you're actually serious about it.  lame.

Only that kind of complete mind F**K job can explain your departure from sanity in how you try to justify your present ramblings.

cause i'm so off base

It's rare to see an adult actually increase their stupidity in such a short period of time.

Whoa there Mr. White.... This guy or chic or whatever isn't an Adult.... It can't even go into a bar and buy a beer... Besides... Who gives a crap about Stunner... He/She's a ku fan.

i can do that at the hawk next year.....

[opcat]

IT'S STILL EARLY !!!!

LEARN IT.