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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: The Manhatter on October 01, 2007, 01:48:46 PM
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gotta toot that horn a bit but I knew UT had some major issues heading into this season concerning defensive personnel and OL. I didn't think KSU would improve so much this early in the season and figured we'd lose a close one in Austin..didn't happen and thankfully.
But hear me now... ku D >>> UT D...ku special teams >>> UT special teams
Those two areas, obviously, is where our bread is buttuhed.
Now, I do not believe ku offense is better than the UT offense. No way no how. UT has veteran skill players everywhere offensively and they have a lot more talent than ku's "arsenal". But ku's OL is prolly a bit better than UT's...but not by much. UT's gutted interior OL shows and so will ku's w/ the better competition but ku is better at offensive tackle.
This game will be extremely tough to win despite the performance in Austin. ku is better coached, more physical, and tougher than Texas. And Mangino does coach up the little things like Prince...contrary to Mack Brown.
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Score Prediction Please.
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prediction?
:ohno:
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This coming from "Where's the beef? Sniff Sniff! I smell Outland!"
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i just pooped in my pants.
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This coming from "Where's the beef? Sniff Sniff! I smell Outland!"
:jerkoff:
damn you fatty.
:'(
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This game is also @ Kstate which I think is the great equalizer. Our D has always played even tougher at home.
Like most close games it comes down to penalites and turnovers. I think we'll be sharp again and ku will turn it over at a bad time and/or let us spring a big punt return or kickoff return on them.
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I don't think ku is better...nope. But I think they're a better prepared, tougher opponent than Texas.
ku's back 7 defensively is better than UT's. But UT's DL is better. The DE situation for ku is not a good one.
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I don't think ku is better...nope. But I think they're a better prepared, tougher opponent than Texas.
ku's back 7 defensively is better than UT's. But UT's DL is better. The DE situation for ku is not a good one.
Run more, pass less?
SCORE!!!??? I must know.
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I don't think ku is better...nope. But I think they're a better prepared, tougher opponent than Texas.
ku's back 7 defensively is better than UT's. But UT's DL is better. The DE situation for ku is not a good one.
Agreed.
My "wish" for the game is for us to bust out the OSU 2006 game plan on offense, then just let our D play it out.
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KSU plays smart, KSU wins, if KSU plays dumb like last year . . . KSU losses, it's pretty simple.
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This game is also @ Kstate which I think is the great equalizer. Our D has always played even tougher at home.
Like most close games it comes down to penalites and turnovers. I think we'll be sharp again and ku will turn it over at a bad time and/or let us spring a big punt return or kickoff return on them.
Agree. Matchup wise, I think it's very even. Giving up anything we don't have to in penalties or turnovers could be deadly.
The biggest thing that sticks out to me is the fact that under Mangino ku has always looked night and day worse away from Lawrence than at Lawrence. That doesn't mean they'll be easy and I'm still expecting a very tough game, but it definitely works to our advantage.
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the one thing I like about this matchup is that KSU is a tested team. So was Colorado going into last Saturday. OU, like ku, had not been on the road yet this year although they played far superior opponents than ku has played to date. Playing an offense like Arizona State and a defense like Florida State's really prepared the Buffs for that game. Likewise facing two very tough run defenses on the road like Auburn and Texas will prepare our offense for ku's salty run defense. And Auburn is a very well coached team.
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STOP KILLING US, HATTER.
Score prediction. Now.
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Delete Thread, Ban User!
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even if the ku oline is better than tu's, our d-line's forte is getting their hands up and batting down passes. also, the pass rush may not always get to the qb for a sack, but mccoy was on the ground almost the entire game. also mccoy is 6'3'' and we were batting down balls at the line. reesing is about 5'9'', ergo the ball will be traveling right into the d-lines outstretched hands. 2 of mccoys picks were off tipped balls. i think the lynch mob will have their way by the end of the game. the pass rush will wear down the o-line and reesing will be throwing up bombs and yelling 500 by the third quarter.
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Yes please add O/U of tipped balls and turnover differential to score prediction please thanks.
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If there are 0 turnovers combined in this game it will be within 7 and I'd give and edge to ku.
I really think there is a chance to confuse reesing a little and get some picks if they get greedy and try to throw the ball deep on us.
If we take away the run game totally we can win this easily.
If we turn the ball over we lose.
If we lose special teams we lose.
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"reesing will be throwing up bombs and yelling 500 by the third quarter." Reesing will be out by the third quarter and under ice.
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We are their Superbowl, dammit.
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Broken plays scare me.
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STOP KILLING US, HATTER.
Score prediction. Now.
only for you, Rusty.
KSU 24-20
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:dancin: :dancin: :dancin:
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STOP KILLING US, HATTER.
Score prediction. Now.
only for you, Rusty.
KSU 24-20
What a weiner.
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Broken plays scare me.
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That's the only way I see ku scoring. I can just see our DB's coming up watching for the QB Scramble as he tosses a lame duck over their heads. Watts Being back would ease this fear for me.
As for our O - I have no idea how they'll stack up against ku's D.
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In the end, this game comes down to who scores the most points. IMO, whoever scores the most points has a very good chance at coming away with the W. JMO.
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That's exactly why we need TO's and short fields. I really think that their offense is decent, i used to talk to a guy that coaches there (friend of a friend) he was impressed with reesing last year and said that kerry having a year on him made the difference in starting. We have got to contain reesing, you saw what happend when mccoy got out of the pocket and things broke down.
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gotta toot that horn a bit but I knew UT had some major issues heading into this season concerning defensive personnel and OL. I didn't think KSU would improve so much this early in the season and figured we'd lose a close one in Austin..didn't happen and thankfully.
But hear me now... ku D >>> UT D...ku special teams >>> UT special teams
Those two areas, obviously, is where our bread is buttuhed.
Now, I do not believe ku offense is better than the UT offense. No way no how. UT has veteran skill players everywhere offensively and they have a lot more talent than ku's "arsenal". But ku's OL is prolly a bit better than UT's...but not by much. UT's gutted interior OL shows and so will ku's w/ the better competition but ku is better at offensive tackle.
This game will be extremely tough to win despite the performance in Austin. ku is better coached, more physical, and tougher than Texas. And Mangino does coach up the little things like Prince...contrary to Mack Brown.
I agree with you mostly, the way Kansas wins, is due to coaching and heart. Mangino coach's up his players, so they see the heart they have dwelling inside.
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What sort of scares me is in all the times KSU has played ku and there has been a bye week before the game for one of the teams, the team with the bye week has come out on top.
At the same time, ku hasn't won in Manhattan since '89 and they'll certainly face an energized crowd when they get to BSFS.
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ku is better coached
QFT. But im surprised Rusty isnt throwing a fit about how great of a coach mack brown is.
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I'm hoping that we go in and kick your a**, but MM has to prove to me that he can play well and win on the road before I will say that ku has a good chance to beat anyone on the road. The closest we have been in a game that meant anything was Neb. last year and we gave that one away. talent wise I know ku can play with and beat most teams in this conference (which is an improvement!!) but learning how to win on the road has been a problem.... a huge problem. Good luck and ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!
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ku is better coached
QFT. But im surprised Rusty isnt throwing a fit about how great of a coach mack brown is.
LOL @ your obsession w/ Mack and me. Mack is a top 10 coach nationally. Easily.
(http://bealonghorn.utexas.edu/whyut/photos/images/brown_mack_trophy.jpg)
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the one thing I like about this matchup is that KSU is a tested team. So was Colorado going into last Saturday. OU, like ku, had not been on the road yet this year although they played far superior opponents than ku has played to date. Playing an offense like Arizona State and a defense like Florida State's really prepared the Buffs for that game. Likewise facing two very tough run defenses on the road like Auburn and Texas will prepare our offense for ku's salty run defense. And Auburn is a very well coached team.
Wouldnt you agree with me that OUs loss in Boulder had more to do with OU looking past a bad CU team than it did CU being battle tested?
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the one thing I like about this matchup is that KSU is a tested team. So was Colorado going into last Saturday. OU, like ku, had not been on the road yet this year although they played far superior opponents than ku has played to date. Playing an offense like Arizona State and a defense like Florida State's really prepared the Buffs for that game. Likewise facing two very tough run defenses on the road like Auburn and Texas will prepare our offense for ku's salty run defense. And Auburn is a very well coached team.
Wouldnt you agree with me that OUs loss in Boulder had more to do with OU looking past a bad CU team than it did CU being battle tested?
er, that is a good point...but them going on the road and playing those teams, i am sure helped too.
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the one thing I like about this matchup is that KSU is a tested team. So was Colorado going into last Saturday. OU, like ku, had not been on the road yet this year although they played far superior opponents than ku has played to date. Playing an offense like Arizona State and a defense like Florida State's really prepared the Buffs for that game. Likewise facing two very tough run defenses on the road like Auburn and Texas will prepare our offense for ku's salty run defense. And Auburn is a very well coached team.
Wouldnt you agree with me that OUs loss in Boulder had more to do with OU looking past a bad CU team than it did CU being battle tested?
I don't believe D1 teams look past other D1 teams (at least enough to make a significant difference).
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the one thing I like about this matchup is that KSU is a tested team. So was Colorado going into last Saturday. OU, like ku, had not been on the road yet this year although they played far superior opponents than ku has played to date. Playing an offense like Arizona State and a defense like Florida State's really prepared the Buffs for that game. Likewise facing two very tough run defenses on the road like Auburn and Texas will prepare our offense for ku's salty run defense. And Auburn is a very well coached team.
Wouldnt you agree with me that OUs loss in Boulder had more to do with OU looking past a bad CU team than it did CU being battle tested?
I don't believe D1 teams look past other D1 teams (at least enough to make a significant difference).
In that case, we can agree to disagree. I do believe that with texas looming on the horizon, the sooners attempted to sleep walk through that CU game, and it cost them whatever chance they had at a national championship. I believe that football as well as basketball teams have a tendancy to look past lesser teams, especially when their followup game is against a big rival.
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the one thing I like about this matchup is that KSU is a tested team. So was Colorado going into last Saturday. OU, like ku, had not been on the road yet this year although they played far superior opponents than ku has played to date. Playing an offense like Arizona State and a defense like Florida State's really prepared the Buffs for that game. Likewise facing two very tough run defenses on the road like Auburn and Texas will prepare our offense for ku's salty run defense. And Auburn is a very well coached team.
Wouldnt you agree with me that OUs loss in Boulder had more to do with OU looking past a bad CU team than it did CU being battle tested?
I don't believe D1 teams look past other D1 teams (at least enough to make a significant difference).
In that case, we can agree to disagree. I do believe that with texas looming on the horizon, the sooners attempted to sleep walk through that CU game, and it cost them whatever chance they had at a national championship. I believe that football as well as basketball teams have a tendancy to look past lesser teams, especially when their followup game is against a big rival.
OU's loss to CU had to do with turnovers and a muffed punt. You can't tell me that the OU recievers, running their routes, were thinking about UT and then got their hands on the ball, which was tipped up and then intercepted. You can't tell me that Reggie Smith muffed a punt because he was thinking about UT when the game was, I believe, 24-17 with 4 minutes remaining. In the same manner, UT was only down by 3 points in the 3rd until they got Jordy'd.
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If your not focused and your head isnt in the game a lot of mistakes happen. I never said that during specific plays that Ou players could be thinking about texas. It starts at the beginning of the week, and goes through all of your preparation. Overlooking a team does not mean you are thinking about another team at said time, it just means that in the process you slacked in your preparation/motivation and played extremely flat against a lesser opponent. IMO OU did look past CU, and it showed throughout the game. If OU had their heads about them, and were prepared to play that game, they would have ran CU out of their own building. Nowhere did I imply, however, that UT looked past KSU. KSU has had texas' number, and that in itself is motivation. Texas simply got beat. OU beat themselves.
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I hate psychobabble in sports.
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I hate psychobabble in sports.
LOL, as do I, but you know as well as I do that the nature of this very subject is a common occurrence in sports.
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No, I don't. I've never seen any evidence that a team is more likely to lose immediately before or after a "big game".
You can point to OU and UT this year, but this is the first time they both won't be undefeated in conference play since 1999. No "looking ahead" at all.
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It is all interpretation I guess, but I believe in it, and still believe that it bit OU. UT just got it handed to them by a superior team. UT will lose at least 4 this year.
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I think it has more to do with the week of preparation and possibly having more distraction and not being as focused. Players do not think about other teams in games.
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If your not focused and your head isnt in the game a lot of mistakes happen. I never said that during specific plays that Ou players could be thinking about texas. It starts at the beginning of the week, and goes through all of your preparation. Overlooking a team does not mean you are thinking about another team at said time, it just means that in the process you slacked in your preparation/motivation and played extremely flat against a lesser opponent. IMO OU did look past CU, and it showed throughout the game. If OU had their heads about them, and were prepared to play that game, they would have ran CU out of their own building. Nowhere did I imply, however, that UT looked past KSU. KSU has had texas' number, and that in itself is motivation. Texas simply got beat. OU beat themselves.
So during practice, OU recievers weren't practicing on catching the ball? Were they focused up 24-7 or just unfocused at 27-24? CU just beat them. People act like because the North has been bad but now appears as though it might be better/good, that a North team can't simply go out and beat a South team w/out some magical explanation. Basically what you're saying is that OU wins the game if they were playing ISU next instead of UT.
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'Hatter, I bow to your FBIQ. The offer stands - you want to be this week's "I Got Five On It?" I think it'd be good stuff. Holler at me at [email protected].
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'Hatter, I bow to your FBIQ. The offer stands - you want to be this week's "I Got Five On It?" I think it'd be good stuff. Holler at me at [email protected].
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'Hatter, I bow to your FBIQ. The offer stands - you want to be this week's "I Got Five On It?" I think it'd be good stuff. Holler at me at [email protected].
not gonna happen.
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Why not?
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No, I don't. I've never seen any evidence that a team is more likely to lose immediately before or after a "big game".
You can point to OU and UT this year, but this is the first time they both won't be undefeated in conference play since 1999. No "looking ahead" at all.
Rusty...
take this argument up at www.cappersempire.com and you will get absolutely pwned! I'm sure somebody there has statistics on it for you.
Now, with that said, the "look-ahead", "sandwich", and "hangover" situations are ALL very much real and play greatly into how each season plays out. To a lesser degreee, "revenge" plays into a great deal of evenly matched contests as well.
HTH
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ku is better coached
QFT. But im surprised Rusty isnt throwing a fit about how great of a coach mack brown is.
LOL @ your obsession w/ Mack and me. Mack is a top 10 coach nationally. Easily.
(http://bealonghorn.utexas.edu/whyut/photos/images/brown_mack_trophy.jpg)
i will admit that it bothers me that you think he is some kind of genius.
but why did you just completely ignore the fact that manhatter basically said mangino was a better coach than mack brown when mangino has only won like 2 conference road games his entire career?
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No, I don't. I've never seen any evidence that a team is more likely to lose immediately before or after a "big game".
You can point to OU and UT this year, but this is the first time they both won't be undefeated in conference play since 1999. No "looking ahead" at all.
Rusty...
take this argument up at www.cappersempire.com and you will get absolutely pwned! I'm sure somebody there has statistics on it for you.
Now, with that said, the "look-ahead", "sandwich", and "hangover" situations are ALL very much real and play greatly into how each season plays out. To a lesser degreee, "revenge" plays into a great deal of evenly matched contests as well.
HTH
Link to something. I can't search the forum.
I'd love to see some stats on that.
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i will admit that it bothers me that you think he is some kind of genius.
but why did you just completely ignore the fact that manhatter basically said mangino was a better coach than mack brown when mangino has only won like 2 conference road games his entire career?
Ignores recruiting. You can't ignore recruiting when evaluating coaches. There are probably better x's and o's guys and motivators all the way down to NAIA. I don't have a problem with saying that at all.
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If your not focused and your head isnt in the game a lot of mistakes happen. I never said that during specific plays that Ou players could be thinking about texas. It starts at the beginning of the week, and goes through all of your preparation. Overlooking a team does not mean you are thinking about another team at said time, it just means that in the process you slacked in your preparation/motivation and played extremely flat against a lesser opponent. IMO OU did look past CU, and it showed throughout the game. If OU had their heads about them, and were prepared to play that game, they would have ran CU out of their own building. Nowhere did I imply, however, that UT looked past KSU. KSU has had texas' number, and that in itself is motivation. Texas simply got beat. OU beat themselves.
So during practice, OU recievers weren't practicing on catching the ball? Were they focused up 24-7 or just unfocused at 27-24? CU just beat them. People act like because the North has been bad but now appears as though it might be better/good, that a North team can't simply go out and beat a South team w/out some magical explanation. Basically what you're saying is that OU wins the game if they were playing ISU next instead of UT.
You are good at twisting things. Of course they were practicing catching the ball. They werent mentally there. They took a CU team lightly and it bit them. And yes, OU would blow ISU out, and probably will beat UT by at least 14.
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i will admit that it bothers me that you think he is some kind of genius.
but why did you just completely ignore the fact that manhatter basically said mangino was a better coach than mack brown when mangino has only won like 2 conference road games his entire career?
Ignores recruiting. You can't ignore recruiting when evaluating coaches. There are probably better x's and o's guys and motivators all the way down to NAIA. I don't have a problem with saying that at all.
You are ignoring the money. Could Mack recruit like that if he was at Iowa State? Hell no, it's like the old geezer in the Porche w/ a trophy wife. You would apparently say the guy is obviously attractive, while it's actually the money, 'cause if the geezer was broke there is no way he could pull wool like that.
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I believe that Mack is a pretty good coach, however I must agree with the money side of things. UT has a massive athletic budget, allowing them to have some of the best facilities in the NCAA. Without touching on the coaching aspect of this discussion, I do believe that a monkey could recruit to UT.
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You are ignoring the money. Could Mack recruit like that if he was at Iowa State? Hell no, it's like the old geezer in the Porche w/ a trophy wife. You would apparently say the guy is obviously attractive, while it's actually the money, 'cause if the geezer was broke there is no way he could pull wool like that.
He has a better winning percentage at Texas than Darrell Royal.
He was incredible at UNC. He wouldn't recruit at the same level at ISU as he is at Texas, but he would be an above average recruiter based on ISU's standards and would have above average results for them. No national titles, but he'd be successful enough to move up to a place where he could (i.e. Texas).
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I believe that Mack is a pretty good coach, however I must agree with the money side of things. UT has a massive athletic budget, allowing them to have some of the best facilities in the NCAA. Without touching on the coaching aspect of this discussion, I do believe that a monkey could recruit to UT.
How is this different than any of the other elite schools? USC, OU, etc.?
Brown took a struggling UNC program and won 10 games three times in his 10 years there. At UT he's never won less than 9 games in a season. Bob Stoops can't even say that at Oklahoma.
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At UT he's never won less than 9 games in a season.
UT failed to win 9 games in 12 out of 14 seasons before Mack arrived.
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If your not focused and your head isnt in the game a lot of mistakes happen. I never said that during specific plays that Ou players could be thinking about texas. It starts at the beginning of the week, and goes through all of your preparation. Overlooking a team does not mean you are thinking about another team at said time, it just means that in the process you slacked in your preparation/motivation and played extremely flat against a lesser opponent. IMO OU did look past CU, and it showed throughout the game. If OU had their heads about them, and were prepared to play that game, they would have ran CU out of their own building. Nowhere did I imply, however, that UT looked past KSU. KSU has had texas' number, and that in itself is motivation. Texas simply got beat. OU beat themselves.
So during practice, OU recievers weren't practicing on catching the ball? Were they focused up 24-7 or just unfocused at 27-24? CU just beat them. People act like because the North has been bad but now appears as though it might be better/good, that a North team can't simply go out and beat a South team w/out some magical explanation. Basically what you're saying is that OU wins the game if they were playing ISU next instead of UT.
You are good at twisting things. Of course they were practicing catching the ball. They werent mentally there. They took a CU team lightly and it bit them. And yes, OU would blow ISU out, and probably will beat UT by at least 14.
Were they mentallly there up 24-7? Or just not mentally there at 24-27? CU's defense is good, just because OU didn't put up 50 points doesn't mean they were sleep walking. And my point about ISU is that you're insinuating that if OU played CU and then ISU the next week, that OU would've beat CU, which is absurd.
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you saw what happend when mccoy got out of the pocket and things broke down.
He got scorched by Cox and others and ended up heaving up his powerbar.
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At UT he's never won less than 9 games in a season.
UT failed to win 9 games in 12 out of 14 seasons before Mack arrived.
So are you arguing that Texas is impossible to win at? Or that since Texas had crapty coaches ans was in a crapty conference a decade ago that it makes Mack a better coach today?
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At UT he's never won less than 9 games in a season.
UT failed to win 9 games in 12 out of 14 seasons before Mack arrived.
So are you arguing that Texas is impossible to win at? Or that since Texas had crapty coaches ans was in a crapty conference a decade ago that it makes Mack a better coach today?
I think the point is that you're either a good coach (which includes recruiting and hiring assistants) or a bad one. The school's tradition/program strength/money accentuate both. OU and UT, before they hired their current coaches, had horrible coaches, and all the money in the world, all the facilities in the world, all the prior national championships didn't change that.
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At UT he's never won less than 9 games in a season.
UT failed to win 9 games in 12 out of 14 seasons before Mack arrived.
So are you arguing that Texas is impossible to win at? Or that since Texas had crapty coaches ans was in a crapty conference a decade ago that it makes Mack a better coach today?
UT's home losses under Mack, FWIW.
07 - KSU 41-21
06 - Ohio State 24-7
06 - aTm 12-7
03 - Arkansas 38-28
99 - NC State 23-20
99 - KSU 35-17
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At UT he's never won less than 9 games in a season.
UT failed to win 9 games in 12 out of 14 seasons before Mack arrived.
So are you arguing that Texas is impossible to win at? Or that since Texas had crapty coaches ans was in a crapty conference a decade ago that it makes Mack a better coach today?
I'm just saying that "money" doesn't guarantee wins.
And wouldn't a crappy conference make it easier to get 10 wins/year?
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No, I don't. I've never seen any evidence that a team is more likely to lose immediately before or after a "big game".
You can point to OU and UT this year, but this is the first time they both won't be undefeated in conference play since 1999. No "looking ahead" at all.
Rusty...
take this argument up at www.cappersempire.com and you will get absolutely pwned! I'm sure somebody there has statistics on it for you.
Now, with that said, the "look-ahead", "sandwich", and "hangover" situations are ALL very much real and play greatly into how each season plays out. To a lesser degreee, "revenge" plays into a great deal of evenly matched contests as well.
HTH
Link to something. I can't search the forum.
I'd love to see some stats on that.
I'm not certain that it's been discussed in detail, however if you were to simply register and ask for some stats somebody there surely has them, or knows where to find them.
With that said, the results are most likely ATS and not SU wins and losses...
If you can't get help there, check www.covers.com
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Meh, that's too much work to get questionable info from a bunch of gambling degenerates.
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At UT he's never won less than 9 games in a season.
UT failed to win 9 games in 12 out of 14 seasons before Mack arrived.
So are you arguing that Texas is impossible to win at? Or that since Texas had crapty coaches ans was in a crapty conference a decade ago that it makes Mack a better coach today?
I'm just saying that "money" doesn't guarantee wins.
And wouldn't a crappy conference make it easier to get 10 wins/year?
John Mackovick, a well known crappy coach, was able to recruit both Priest Holmes and Ricky Williams to Texas. Maybe he should be counted in the top ten for that accomplishment. Or maybe Texas is easy to recruit bigtime talent to and recruiting should discounted heavily when evaluating coaching ability. ergo Mack Brown can win the games he should just on the strength of the talent he is granted by virtue of coaching at Texas. But whenever he comes up against equal talent or a superior gameplanner he loses more often than not.
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But whenever he comes up against equal talent or a superior gameplanner he loses more often than not.
What do you have to back that up?
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But whenever he comes up against equal talent or a superior gameplanner he loses more often than not.
What do you have to back that up?
That was basically a statement I pulled out my ass, but it sounds good though doesn't it?
I was actually expecting something like this;Person
Person1: "Team X had way better talent and mack beat them"
Me: "Are you kidding me? They had Random Player A but that was it, Random Player B for Texas was way better than him anyway"
Person1: "No way Random Player A had xxxx yards as a freshman, Random Player B was a chump.
Person2: "Check out my new video it rox!!!111!!!!"
etc. etc. etc. ad naseum
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But whenever he comes up against equal talent or a superior gameplanner he loses more often than not.
What do you have to back that up?
That was basically a statement I pulled out my ass, but it sounds good though doesn't it?
I was actually expecting something like this;Person
Person1: "Team X had way better talent and mack beat them"
Me: "Are you kidding me? They had Random Player A but that was it, Random Player B for Texas was way better than him anyway"
Person1: "No way Random Player A had xxxx yards as a freshman, Random Player B was a chump.
Person2: "Check out my new video it rox!!!111!!!!"
etc. etc. etc. ad naseum
I guess at the end, all you can go off of is wins and losses.
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But whenever he comes up against equal talent or a superior gameplanner he loses more often than not.
What do you have to back that up?
That was basically a statement I pulled out my ass, but it sounds good though doesn't it?
I was actually expecting something like this;Person
Person1: "Team X had way better talent and mack beat them"
Me: "Are you kidding me? They had Random Player A but that was it, Random Player B for Texas was way better than him anyway"
Person1: "No way Random Player A had xxxx yards as a freshman, Random Player B was a chump.
Person2: "Check out my new video it rox!!!111!!!!"
etc. etc. etc. ad naseum
I guess at the end, all you can go off of is wins and losses.
yep...
provided of course you take into account how easy a school is to win at.
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^LOL
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John Mackovick, a well known crappy coach, was able to recruit both Priest Holmes and Ricky Williams to Texas. Maybe he should be counted in the top ten for that accomplishment. Or maybe Texas is easy to recruit bigtime talent to and recruiting should discounted heavily when evaluating coaching ability. ergo Mack Brown can win the games he should just on the strength of the talent he is granted by virtue of coaching at Texas. But whenever he comes up against equal talent or a superior gameplanner he loses more often than not.
What if he comes up against superior talent and a superior gameplanner? What if he comes up against that in the Rose Bowl for the national championship? What would happen more often than not in that situation?
If it is so damn easy to win at Texas, why did they suck so much before Mack got there?
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John Mackovick, a well known crappy coach, was able to recruit both Priest Holmes and Ricky Williams to Texas. Maybe he should be counted in the top ten for that accomplishment. Or maybe Texas is easy to recruit bigtime talent to and recruiting should discounted heavily when evaluating coaching ability. ergo Mack Brown can win the games he should just on the strength of the talent he is granted by virtue of coaching at Texas. But whenever he comes up against equal talent or a superior gameplanner he loses more often than not.
What if he comes up against superior talent and a superior gameplanner? What if he comes up against that in the Rose Bowl for the national championship? What would happen more often than not in that situation?
If it is so damn easy to win at Texas, why did they suck so much before Mack got there?
Well, without Vince Young, a talent superior to any other on the field, he would lose.
Mack has only been to 3 Big XII Championships and only won one and of course he had Vince Young to thank for the one he got. Why so few? Because he had to get by OU, a team with equal talent and superior coaching. Predictably he loses. OU on the other hand is 4 out of 5 in Mack's tenure, soon to be added to 'cause Texas' season is about to end this Saturday, although they will finish 10-2 or 9-3 to add to the mythology.
Texas is the 4th winningest program in the history of college football with a 71% winning percentage, if they sucked before Mack got there it was an abberation and not the rule.
Please face the facts, Mack is nothing but an average coach in a great situation in a power conference which amplifies the inherent advantages (unlike the corrupt and defunct SWC).
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John Mackovick, a well known crappy coach, was able to recruit both Priest Holmes and Ricky Williams to Texas. Maybe he should be counted in the top ten for that accomplishment. Or maybe Texas is easy to recruit bigtime talent to and recruiting should discounted heavily when evaluating coaching ability. ergo Mack Brown can win the games he should just on the strength of the talent he is granted by virtue of coaching at Texas. But whenever he comes up against equal talent or a superior gameplanner he loses more often than not.
What if he comes up against superior talent and a superior gameplanner? What if he comes up against that in the Rose Bowl for the national championship? What would happen more often than not in that situation?
If it is so damn easy to win at Texas, why did they suck so much before Mack got there?
Well, without Vince Young, a talent superior to any other on the field, he would lose.
Dude, you know USC had TWO HEISMAN WINNERS, right?
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John Mackovick, a well known crappy coach, was able to recruit both Priest Holmes and Ricky Williams to Texas. Maybe he should be counted in the top ten for that accomplishment. Or maybe Texas is easy to recruit bigtime talent to and recruiting should discounted heavily when evaluating coaching ability. ergo Mack Brown can win the games he should just on the strength of the talent he is granted by virtue of coaching at Texas. But whenever he comes up against equal talent or a superior gameplanner he loses more often than not.
What if he comes up against superior talent and a superior gameplanner? What if he comes up against that in the Rose Bowl for the national championship? What would happen more often than not in that situation?
If it is so damn easy to win at Texas, why did they suck so much before Mack got there?
Well, without Vince Young, a talent superior to any other on the field, he would lose.
Dude, you know USC had TWO HEISMAN WINNERS, right?
HE SAID: "more often than not" Rusty! :rolleyes: God. You can be soooo unfair sometimes. It also fits under his convenient "Vince Young Corollary" which negates any of Mack's success.
Back to the drawing board n00b!! LOL @ RUSTY!!!
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John Mackovick, a well known crappy coach, was able to recruit both Priest Holmes and Ricky Williams to Texas. Maybe he should be counted in the top ten for that accomplishment. Or maybe Texas is easy to recruit bigtime talent to and recruiting should discounted heavily when evaluating coaching ability. ergo Mack Brown can win the games he should just on the strength of the talent he is granted by virtue of coaching at Texas. But whenever he comes up against equal talent or a superior gameplanner he loses more often than not.
What if he comes up against superior talent and a superior gameplanner? What if he comes up against that in the Rose Bowl for the national championship? What would happen more often than not in that situation?
If it is so damn easy to win at Texas, why did they suck so much before Mack got there?
Well, without Vince Young, a talent superior to any other on the field, he would lose.
Dude, you know USC had TWO HEISMAN WINNERS, right?
You mean like Eric Crouch, Danny Weurffel, Gino Torretta, Ron Dayne, Jason White, Chris Weinke etc...
50% talent.... 50% hype
as I said Vince Young was by far the biggest talent on the field and was able to save Mack from himself.
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John Mackovick, a well known crappy coach, was able to recruit both Priest Holmes and Ricky Williams to Texas. Maybe he should be counted in the top ten for that accomplishment. Or maybe Texas is easy to recruit bigtime talent to and recruiting should discounted heavily when evaluating coaching ability. ergo Mack Brown can win the games he should just on the strength of the talent he is granted by virtue of coaching at Texas. But whenever he comes up against equal talent or a superior gameplanner he loses more often than not.
What if he comes up against superior talent and a superior gameplanner? What if he comes up against that in the Rose Bowl for the national championship? What would happen more often than not in that situation?
If it is so damn easy to win at Texas, why did they suck so much before Mack got there?
Well, without Vince Young, a talent superior to any other on the field, he would lose.
Dude, you know USC had TWO HEISMAN WINNERS, right?
HE SAID: "more often than not" Rusty! :rolleyes: God. You can be soooo unfair sometimes. It also fits under his convenient "Vince Young Corollary" which negates any of Mack's success.
Back to the drawing board n00b!! LOL @ RUSTY!!!
You said it yourself, take away VY = no success before or after. I don't think Rusty wants your help anymore.
n00b :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I may only have 40-some posts but everyone of them is pure gold.
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You said it yourself, take away VY = no success before or after. I don't think Rusty wants your help anymore.
n00b :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I may only have 40-some posts but everyone of them is pure gold.
tee &@#%ing hee.
Kat Kid may still have that "Kid" in his name, but he figured out the art of satirical message board posts a long time ago. Take some notes.
Seriously though, Mack gets his "outcoached" reputation from his losses to Stoops. Yet he has beaten Stoops the last two years. One with Vince and one without. I won't be a bit surprised if Texas wins this Saturday. Yes, Stoops made him look like a fool for 5 years, but during those 5 years he beat damn near everyone else he faced and Bob Stoops played in 3 national championship games. That ain't bad for either one.
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Texas is the 4th winningest program in the history of college football with a 71% winning percentage, if they sucked before Mack got there it was an abberation and not the rule.
Also, Mack's winning percentage at Texas is 81%. And that is against the Big XII.
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You said it yourself, take away VY = no success before or after. I don't think Rusty wants your help anymore.
n00b :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I may only have 40-some posts but everyone of them is pure gold.
tee fracking hee.
Kat Kid may still have that "Kid" in his name, but he figured out the art of satirical message board posts a long time ago. Take some notes.
Seriously though, Mack gets his "outcoached" reputation from his losses to Stoops. Yet he has beaten Stoops the last two years. One with Vince and one without. I won't be a bit surprised if Texas wins this Saturday. Yes, Stoops made him look like a fool for 5 years, but during those 5 years he beat damn near everyone else he faced and Bob Stoops played in 3 national championship games. That ain't bad for either one.
I didn't pick up the sarcasm. I guess I figured this board was a little like prison. You've got to shiv some people to get respect. I AIN'T NOBODY'S BITCH!!!
Triple kills, killing sprees. It's what I do.
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I didn't pick up the sarcasm. I guess I figured this board was a little like prison. You've got to shiv some people to get respect. I AIN'T NOBODY'S BITCH!!!
Triple kills, killing sprees. It's what I do.
There's some gold!
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LOL @ Rusty's mancrush on Mack Brown
Bob Stoops has absolutely OWNED Mack Brown with equal talent.
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LOL @ Rusty's mancrush on Mack Brown
Bob Stoops has absolutely OWNED Mack Brown with equal talent.
And your point is?
Bob Stoops > Mack Brown does not mean that Mack Brown = bad coach.
YOU HAVE BAD MATHS LOL!
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LOL @ Rusty's mancrush on Mack Brown
Bob Stoops has absolutely OWNED Mack Brown with equal talent.
If Mack would not have won that national title, a very good coaching comparison in terms of underachieving with a world of talent could be made in a cross-sport fashion with Bill Self.
Since Mack at least has a ring: Mack > Self
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Bob Stoops has owned everyone.
Mack: Top 10 coach
Stoops: Top 5 coach
Of course the top 5 coach would beat up on the top 10 coach.
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Pretty impressive Manhatter.
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Pretty impressive Manhatter.
No, he picked KSU to win. And ku is not anywhere near as good as Texas.
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Pretty impressive Manhatter.
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No, he picked KSU to win. And ku is not anywhere near as good as Texas.