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Title: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: michigancat on September 10, 2007, 10:53:07 AM
Why?
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: ECN on September 10, 2007, 10:54:19 AM
we must not be satisfied with the football team.
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: michigancat on September 10, 2007, 10:55:41 AM
we must not be satisfied with the football team.

Why?
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: ECN on September 10, 2007, 10:58:49 AM
good question.

im content.

but look at all the thread titles.

either concerned or taking furstration out on little things.


Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: catzacker on September 10, 2007, 11:00:16 AM
we must not be satisfied with the football team.

Why?


(1) the realization that Auburn isn't/wasn't that good (doesn't help that the coach we threw tons of money at won down there)
(2) ku dominating the teams it's played (like it or not, that's part of it)
(3) The lack of consistency on offense
(4) Freeman's TO/TD ratio.  
(5) Penalties (we were penalized a lot under Snyder, but were good enough to over come that, I don't think this team is)

Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: Saulbadguy on September 10, 2007, 11:02:21 AM
Bob Huggins took our swagger.
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: The Manhatter on September 10, 2007, 11:03:11 AM
(1) the realization that Auburn isn't/wasn't that good (doesn't help that the coach we threw tons of money at won down there)
(2) ku dominating the teams it's played (like it or not, that's part of it)

1 - with wins over Louisville and @ West Virginia in the past few years it's rather obvious USF is a terrible program.  They have 20 returning starters from last season and will win the Big East...but Auburn is now terrible since they lost to them in a scrappy game.

2 - ku dominating air is impressive.  

thanks zacker.

 :love:
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: eRod v1.0 on September 10, 2007, 11:04:16 AM
Because most of our fanbase are a bunch of bitches.  They act like ku fans.   :violin:
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: pissclams on September 10, 2007, 11:05:46 AM
Because most of our fanbase are a bunch of bitches.  They act like ku fans.   :violin:
QFT.
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: michigancat on September 10, 2007, 11:06:15 AM
we must not be satisfied with the football team.

Why?


(1) the realization that Auburn isn't/wasn't that good (doesn't help that the coach we threw tons of money at won down there)
(2) ku dominating the teams it's played (like it or not, that's part of it)
(3) The lack of consistency on offense
(4) Freeman's TO/TD ratio. 
(5) Penalties (we were penalized a lot under Snyder, but were good enough to over come that, I don't think this team is)



Seems like much ado about nothing.

KSU's 1-1.  Did you expect more?
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: catzacker on September 10, 2007, 11:07:39 AM
(1) the realization that Auburn isn't/wasn't that good (doesn't help that the coach we threw tons of money at won down there)
(2) ku dominating the teams it's played (like it or not, that's part of it)

1 - with wins over Louisville and @ West Virginia in the past few years it's rather obvious USF is a terrible program.  They have 20 returning starters from last season and will win the Big East...but Auburn is now terrible since they lost to them in a scrappy game.

2 - ku dominating air is impressive.  

thanks zacker.

 :love:

Didn't say that Auburn was a bad team, just not as good.  You even said that yourself.  And with USF, it doesn't help that the coach that was our #1 choice has "wins over Louisville and @ West Virginia in the past few years it's rather obvious USF is a terrible program.  They have 20 returning starters from last season and will win the Big East".  

As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business.  
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: Saulbadguy on September 10, 2007, 11:09:33 AM
we must not be satisfied with the football team.

Why?


(1) the realization that Auburn isn't/wasn't that good (doesn't help that the coach we threw tons of money at won down there)
(2) ku dominating the teams it's played (like it or not, that's part of it)
(3) The lack of consistency on offense
(4) Freeman's TO/TD ratio. 
(5) Penalties (we were penalized a lot under Snyder, but were good enough to over come that, I don't think this team is)



Seems like much ado about nothing.

KSU's 1-1.  Did you expect more?
I think the expectations went up after our "moral victory" at Auburn. 

This is why I hate football stat whores, and people that love to compare scores and crap like that. 
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: pissclams on September 10, 2007, 11:10:34 AM
(1) the realization that Auburn isn't/wasn't that good (doesn't help that the coach we threw tons of money at won down there)
(2) ku dominating the teams it's played (like it or not, that's part of it)

1 - with wins over Louisville and @ West Virginia in the past few years it's rather obvious USF is a terrible program.  They have 20 returning starters from last season and will win the Big East...but Auburn is now terrible since they lost to them in a scrappy game.

2 - ku dominating air is impressive.  

thanks zacker.

 :love:

Didn't say that Auburn was a bad team, just not as good.  You even said that yourself.  And with USF, it doesn't help that the coach that was our #1 choice has "wins over Louisville and @ West Virginia in the past few years it's rather obvious USF is a terrible program.  They have 20 returning starters from last season and will win the Big East".  

As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business.  
Haven't we taken care of business too? Or did business change when you found out that Auburn lost this week?
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: catzacker on September 10, 2007, 11:12:41 AM
(1) the realization that Auburn isn't/wasn't that good (doesn't help that the coach we threw tons of money at won down there)
(2) ku dominating the teams it's played (like it or not, that's part of it)

1 - with wins over Louisville and @ West Virginia in the past few years it's rather obvious USF is a terrible program.  They have 20 returning starters from last season and will win the Big East...but Auburn is now terrible since they lost to them in a scrappy game.

2 - ku dominating air is impressive.  

thanks zacker.

 :love:

Didn't say that Auburn was a bad team, just not as good.  You even said that yourself.  And with USF, it doesn't help that the coach that was our #1 choice has "wins over Louisville and @ West Virginia in the past few years it's rather obvious USF is a terrible program.  They have 20 returning starters from last season and will win the Big East".  

As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business.  
Haven't we taken care of business too? Or did business change when you found out that Auburn lost this week?

Not really.  Yeah, we won against SJSt, but were we really that impressive?  They're not half the team that a lot of people thought they'd be.  I mean, so if we win by 1 against Missouri State then it's okay because we won, or do you actually look at the performance of that win? 
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: KSU4ME on September 10, 2007, 11:14:39 AM
Just great.

Now we have people getting whiny about the whining.

Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: pissclams on September 10, 2007, 11:14:57 AM
I'm looking at our record and we're exactly where I thought we'd be at this point with the exception of not getting anal raped in Auburn, Alabama.  Our team is young dude, consistency needs to be built.
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: michigancat on September 10, 2007, 11:16:58 AM
Not really.  Yeah, we won against SJSt, but were we really that impressive?  They're not half the team that a lot of people thought they'd be.  I mean, so if we win by 1 against Missouri State then it's okay because we won, or do you actually look at the performance of that win? 

Yeah, a one point win against Missouri State would be fine.  Why wouldn't it be?


Just great.

Now we have people getting whiny about the whining.



And now, whining about the whining about the whining.  It just doesn't quit!
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: KSU4ME on September 10, 2007, 11:20:07 AM
And now, whining about the whining about the whining.  It just doesn't quit!

Why?
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: michigancat on September 10, 2007, 11:20:27 AM
And now, whining about the whining about the whining.  It just doesn't quit!

Why?

^Whining
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: BostonPancake on September 10, 2007, 11:28:16 AM
This board has gotten really whiny.

It hasn't gotten whiny.......it's always been whiny.
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: michigancat on September 10, 2007, 11:29:59 AM
This board has gotten really whiny.

It hasn't gotten whiny.......it's always been whiny.

Hmm.  Maybe it just died down over the summer.
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: The Manhatter on September 10, 2007, 11:32:29 AM
As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business.  

KSU lead SJSU 34-7 w/ 7 minutes to play.  The Spartans were barely over 200 yards of offense and KSU over 400.  The 3rd and 4th string subs went in on D and gave up a TD.

Is 34-7 and perhaps 41-7 if we keep in the one's a few more times on both sides..is that taking care of business?  SJSU was horrendous in game one but still returned 15 starters from a 9 win team last season.  Teams do improve from week 1 to week 2.  I'm not saying I was thrilled w/ the game but "taking care of business"...we did.

Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: KSU4ME on September 10, 2007, 11:32:41 AM
And now, whining about the whining about the whining.  It just doesn't quit!

Why?

^Whining
Why?

we must not be satisfied with the football team.

Why?

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: kougar24 on September 10, 2007, 11:32:51 AM
Yeah, we won against SJSt, but were we really that impressive?  They're not half the team that a lot of people thought they'd be.

How do you already come to that conclusion?
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: catzacker on September 10, 2007, 11:41:32 AM
As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business.  

KSU lead SJSU 34-7 w/ 7 minutes to play.  The Spartans were barely over 200 yards of offense and KSU over 400.  The 3rd and 4th string subs went in on D and gave up a TD.

Is 34-7 and perhaps 41-7 if we keep in the one's a few more times on both sides..is that taking care of business?  SJSU was horrendous in game one but still returned 15 starters from a 9 win team last season.  Teams do improve from week 1 to week 2.  I'm not saying I was thrilled w/ the game but "taking care of business"...we did.

I didn't think we "improved" from week 1 to week 2.  We ultimately won, so I guess there's the "improvement".  Defensively we looked a bit slower, made the same (if not more) stupid penalties that kept drives alive, and tackled fairly poorly.  Offensively, we did the same things we've done for a while now (going back to last year) which is move the ball to the red zone and then starting moving backwards, we turned the ball over, and really weren't that consistent.  Yeah, it's early, just our second game, and none of them have been against real patsies, but I really was expecting a better performance this past weekend. 
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: ArchE_Cat on September 10, 2007, 11:45:36 AM
As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business. 

KSU lead SJSU 34-7 w/ 7 minutes to play.  The Spartans were barely over 200 yards of offense and KSU over 400.  The 3rd and 4th string subs went in on D and gave up a TD.

Is 34-7 and perhaps 41-7 if we keep in the one's a few more times on both sides..is that taking care of business?  SJSU was horrendous in game one but still returned 15 starters from a 9 win team last season.  Teams do improve from week 1 to week 2.  I'm not saying I was thrilled w/ the game but "taking care of business"...we did.



Actually it should have been 34-0 or 34-3. How the refs and replay officials can't see the SJSU WR having his leg on the ground, out of bounds is unbelievable.

^more whining, but at least its about the refs...again.
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: catdude33 on September 10, 2007, 11:48:04 AM
I just let the whiners whine, the pickers pick, etc.  I pretty much just let everyone do what it is they do.
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: michigancat on September 10, 2007, 11:50:19 AM
As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business. 

KSU lead SJSU 34-7 w/ 7 minutes to play.  The Spartans were barely over 200 yards of offense and KSU over 400.  The 3rd and 4th string subs went in on D and gave up a TD.

Is 34-7 and perhaps 41-7 if we keep in the one's a few more times on both sides..is that taking care of business?  SJSU was horrendous in game one but still returned 15 starters from a 9 win team last season.  Teams do improve from week 1 to week 2.  I'm not saying I was thrilled w/ the game but "taking care of business"...we did.

I didn't think we "improved" from week 1 to week 2.  We ultimately won, so I guess there's the "improvement".  Defensively we looked a bit slower, made the same (if not more) stupid penalties that kept drives alive, and tackled fairly poorly.  Offensively, we did the same things we've done for a while now (going back to last year) which is move the ball to the red zone and then starting moving backwards, we turned the ball over, and really weren't that consistent.  Yeah, it's early, just our second game, and none of them have been against real patsies, but I really was expecting a better performance this past weekend. 

KSU has always looked sloppy in these games.  Even under Snyder.  With the exception of fool's gold UNT, you really have to go back to 2002 vs. LA-Monroe to find a game where KSU was firing at all cylinders for an entire game this early in the season.

Should we expect this team to perform like the 2002 Cats, who were truly a National Title caliber team?
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: cireksu on September 10, 2007, 11:51:49 AM
I think most of us while saying that we are only expecting 7 wins or so subconsiously aren't used or are in denile that we have slipped so far in just 4 years.  
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: kougar24 on September 10, 2007, 11:53:17 AM
As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business. 

KSU lead SJSU 34-7 w/ 7 minutes to play.  The Spartans were barely over 200 yards of offense and KSU over 400.  The 3rd and 4th string subs went in on D and gave up a TD.

Is 34-7 and perhaps 41-7 if we keep in the one's a few more times on both sides..is that taking care of business?  SJSU was horrendous in game one but still returned 15 starters from a 9 win team last season.  Teams do improve from week 1 to week 2.  I'm not saying I was thrilled w/ the game but "taking care of business"...we did.

I didn't think we "improved" from week 1 to week 2.  We ultimately won, so I guess there's the "improvement".  Defensively we looked a bit slower, made the same (if not more) stupid penalties that kept drives alive, and tackled fairly poorly.  Offensively, we did the same things we've done for a while now (going back to last year) which is move the ball to the red zone and then starting moving backwards, we turned the ball over, and really weren't that consistent.  Yeah, it's early, just our second game, and none of them have been against real patsies, but I really was expecting a better performance this past weekend. 

KSU has always looked sloppy in these games.  Even under Snyder.  With the exception of fool's gold UNT, you really have to go back to 2002 vs. LA-Monroe to find a game where KSU was firing at all cylinders for an entire game this early in the season.

Should we expect this team to perform like the 2002 Cats, who were truly a National Title caliber team?

Plus, I'm fairly confident SJSU is much better than the usual patsies Snyder scheduled.
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: Trog on September 10, 2007, 11:55:09 AM
Why?

All the good stuff is on the premium board :crybaby:
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: catzacker on September 10, 2007, 11:55:56 AM
I think most of us while saying that we are only expecting 7 wins or so subconsiously aren't used or are in denile that we have slipped so far in just 4 years.  

I probably fall into that camp.  Although I'm not in denial about where we're at.  I'm just not used to having to "expect" 6/7 wins, which pretty much pisses me off.  
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: catzacker on September 10, 2007, 12:06:55 PM
As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business. 

KSU lead SJSU 34-7 w/ 7 minutes to play.  The Spartans were barely over 200 yards of offense and KSU over 400.  The 3rd and 4th string subs went in on D and gave up a TD.

Is 34-7 and perhaps 41-7 if we keep in the one's a few more times on both sides..is that taking care of business?  SJSU was horrendous in game one but still returned 15 starters from a 9 win team last season.  Teams do improve from week 1 to week 2.  I'm not saying I was thrilled w/ the game but "taking care of business"...we did.

I didn't think we "improved" from week 1 to week 2.  We ultimately won, so I guess there's the "improvement".  Defensively we looked a bit slower, made the same (if not more) stupid penalties that kept drives alive, and tackled fairly poorly.  Offensively, we did the same things we've done for a while now (going back to last year) which is move the ball to the red zone and then starting moving backwards, we turned the ball over, and really weren't that consistent.  Yeah, it's early, just our second game, and none of them have been against real patsies, but I really was expecting a better performance this past weekend. 

KSU has always looked sloppy in these games.  Even under Snyder.  With the exception of fool's gold UNT, you really have to go back to 2002 vs. LA-Monroe to find a game where KSU was firing at all cylinders for an entire game this early in the season.

Should we expect this team to perform like the 2002 Cats, who were truly a National Title caliber team?

Yeah, we did, but during the time from '97 - '03, generally speaking, we still managed to paste teams in our OOC (mostly patsies).  And I would say there's a difference between having 11 win seasons prior to a lazy/sloppy outing than having a lazy/sloppy showing following a 7-6 season (which preceded 5-6 and 4-7 seasons). 

Which is why 2004 was somehow a shock to a lot of people, but if you actually watched the OOC games (against not so great opponents, except maybe Fresno) the way the season turned out shouldn't have been a suprise. 
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: michigancat on September 10, 2007, 12:12:55 PM
As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business. 

KSU lead SJSU 34-7 w/ 7 minutes to play.  The Spartans were barely over 200 yards of offense and KSU over 400.  The 3rd and 4th string subs went in on D and gave up a TD.

Is 34-7 and perhaps 41-7 if we keep in the one's a few more times on both sides..is that taking care of business?  SJSU was horrendous in game one but still returned 15 starters from a 9 win team last season.  Teams do improve from week 1 to week 2.  I'm not saying I was thrilled w/ the game but "taking care of business"...we did.

I didn't think we "improved" from week 1 to week 2.  We ultimately won, so I guess there's the "improvement".  Defensively we looked a bit slower, made the same (if not more) stupid penalties that kept drives alive, and tackled fairly poorly.  Offensively, we did the same things we've done for a while now (going back to last year) which is move the ball to the red zone and then starting moving backwards, we turned the ball over, and really weren't that consistent.  Yeah, it's early, just our second game, and none of them have been against real patsies, but I really was expecting a better performance this past weekend. 

KSU has always looked sloppy in these games.  Even under Snyder.  With the exception of fool's gold UNT, you really have to go back to 2002 vs. LA-Monroe to find a game where KSU was firing at all cylinders for an entire game this early in the season.

Should we expect this team to perform like the 2002 Cats, who were truly a National Title caliber team?

Yeah, we did, but during the time from '97 - '03, generally speaking, we still managed to paste teams in our OOC (mostly patsies).  And I would say there's a difference between having 11 win seasons prior to a lazy/sloppy outing than having a lazy/sloppy showing following a 7-6 season (which preceded 5-6 and 4-7 seasons). 

Which is why 2004 was somehow a shock to a lot of people, but if you actually watched the OOC games (against not so great opponents, except maybe Fresno) the way the season turned out shouldn't have been a suprise. 

I think you just really like to nitpick.  I mean, you're seriously expecting a team coming off 4-7, 5-6, 7-6 seasons to look better than a team coming off an 11 win season.
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: Saulbadguy on September 10, 2007, 12:17:10 PM
It all boils down to insecurity. 
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: KSU4ME on September 10, 2007, 12:19:17 PM



Yeah, we did, but during the time from '97 - '03, generally speaking, we still managed to paste teams in our OOC (mostly patsies).  And I would say there's a difference between having 11 win seasons prior to a lazy/sloppy outing than having a lazy/sloppy showing following a 7-6 season (which preceded 5-6 and 4-7 seasons). 

 

Anyone that expects this team to look like '97-'03 is scary stupid.

So far the non-con has played out like the '93 and '94 seasons score wise, except AU/SJSU might be tougher than some of the teams we played then.
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: catzacker on September 10, 2007, 12:19:40 PM
As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business. 

KSU lead SJSU 34-7 w/ 7 minutes to play.  The Spartans were barely over 200 yards of offense and KSU over 400.  The 3rd and 4th string subs went in on D and gave up a TD.

Is 34-7 and perhaps 41-7 if we keep in the one's a few more times on both sides..is that taking care of business?  SJSU was horrendous in game one but still returned 15 starters from a 9 win team last season.  Teams do improve from week 1 to week 2.  I'm not saying I was thrilled w/ the game but "taking care of business"...we did.

I didn't think we "improved" from week 1 to week 2.  We ultimately won, so I guess there's the "improvement".  Defensively we looked a bit slower, made the same (if not more) stupid penalties that kept drives alive, and tackled fairly poorly.  Offensively, we did the same things we've done for a while now (going back to last year) which is move the ball to the red zone and then starting moving backwards, we turned the ball over, and really weren't that consistent.  Yeah, it's early, just our second game, and none of them have been against real patsies, but I really was expecting a better performance this past weekend. 

KSU has always looked sloppy in these games.  Even under Snyder.  With the exception of fool's gold UNT, you really have to go back to 2002 vs. LA-Monroe to find a game where KSU was firing at all cylinders for an entire game this early in the season.

Should we expect this team to perform like the 2002 Cats, who were truly a National Title caliber team?

Yeah, we did, but during the time from '97 - '03, generally speaking, we still managed to paste teams in our OOC (mostly patsies).  And I would say there's a difference between having 11 win seasons prior to a lazy/sloppy outing than having a lazy/sloppy showing following a 7-6 season (which preceded 5-6 and 4-7 seasons). 

Which is why 2004 was somehow a shock to a lot of people, but if you actually watched the OOC games (against not so great opponents, except maybe Fresno) the way the season turned out shouldn't have been a suprise. 

I think you just really like to nitpick.  I mean, you're seriously expecting a team coming off 4-7, 5-6, 7-6 seasons to look better than a team coming off an 11 win season.

I don't get it.  We're not an 11 win team (something pretty much everyone agrees on) and given the predictions people expect anywhere from 6-8 wins....so wouldn't a 6-8 team be flawed?  And if we can't talk about those flaws or at least admit that they exist, then I might as well sign up for GPC again.  
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: michigancat on September 10, 2007, 01:00:22 PM
To me, there's a difference between discussing flaws and whining.
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: waks on September 10, 2007, 01:09:09 PM
As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business. 

KSU lead SJSU 34-7 w/ 7 minutes to play.  The Spartans were barely over 200 yards of offense and KSU over 400.  The 3rd and 4th string subs went in on D and gave up a TD.

Is 34-7 and perhaps 41-7 if we keep in the one's a few more times on both sides..is that taking care of business?  SJSU was horrendous in game one but still returned 15 starters from a 9 win team last season.  Teams do improve from week 1 to week 2.  I'm not saying I was thrilled w/ the game but "taking care of business"...we did.

I didn't think we "improved" from week 1 to week 2.  We ultimately won, so I guess there's the "improvement".  Defensively we looked a bit slower, made the same (if not more) stupid penalties that kept drives alive, and tackled fairly poorly.  Offensively, we did the same things we've done for a while now (going back to last year) which is move the ball to the red zone and then starting moving backwards, we turned the ball over, and really weren't that consistent.  Yeah, it's early, just our second game, and none of them have been against real patsies, but I really was expecting a better performance this past weekend. 

KSU has always looked sloppy in these games.  Even under Snyder.  With the exception of fool's gold UNT, you really have to go back to 2002 vs. LA-Monroe to find a game where KSU was firing at all cylinders for an entire game this early in the season.

Should we expect this team to perform like the 2002 Cats, who were truly a National Title caliber team?

Yeah, we did, but during the time from '97 - '03, generally speaking, we still managed to paste teams in our OOC (mostly patsies).  And I would say there's a difference between having 11 win seasons prior to a lazy/sloppy outing than having a lazy/sloppy showing following a 7-6 season (which preceded 5-6 and 4-7 seasons). 

Which is why 2004 was somehow a shock to a lot of people, but if you actually watched the OOC games (against not so great opponents, except maybe Fresno) the way the season turned out shouldn't have been a suprise. 

I think you just really like to nitpick.  I mean, you're seriously expecting a team coming off 4-7, 5-6, 7-6 seasons to look better than a team coming off an 11 win season.

I don't get it.  We're not an 11 win team (something pretty much everyone agrees on) and given the predictions people expect anywhere from 6-8 wins....so wouldn't a 6-8 team be flawed?  And if we can't talk about those flaws or at least admit that they exist, then I might as well sign up for GPC again. 
Just an fyi...Gopo is whining just as much.
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: catzacker on September 10, 2007, 01:27:43 PM
As for ku, yeah, they haven't played anyone, but they've taken care of business. 

KSU lead SJSU 34-7 w/ 7 minutes to play.  The Spartans were barely over 200 yards of offense and KSU over 400.  The 3rd and 4th string subs went in on D and gave up a TD.

Is 34-7 and perhaps 41-7 if we keep in the one's a few more times on both sides..is that taking care of business?  SJSU was horrendous in game one but still returned 15 starters from a 9 win team last season.  Teams do improve from week 1 to week 2.  I'm not saying I was thrilled w/ the game but "taking care of business"...we did.

I didn't think we "improved" from week 1 to week 2.  We ultimately won, so I guess there's the "improvement".  Defensively we looked a bit slower, made the same (if not more) stupid penalties that kept drives alive, and tackled fairly poorly.  Offensively, we did the same things we've done for a while now (going back to last year) which is move the ball to the red zone and then starting moving backwards, we turned the ball over, and really weren't that consistent.  Yeah, it's early, just our second game, and none of them have been against real patsies, but I really was expecting a better performance this past weekend. 

KSU has always looked sloppy in these games.  Even under Snyder.  With the exception of fool's gold UNT, you really have to go back to 2002 vs. LA-Monroe to find a game where KSU was firing at all cylinders for an entire game this early in the season.

Should we expect this team to perform like the 2002 Cats, who were truly a National Title caliber team?

Yeah, we did, but during the time from '97 - '03, generally speaking, we still managed to paste teams in our OOC (mostly patsies).  And I would say there's a difference between having 11 win seasons prior to a lazy/sloppy outing than having a lazy/sloppy showing following a 7-6 season (which preceded 5-6 and 4-7 seasons). 

Which is why 2004 was somehow a shock to a lot of people, but if you actually watched the OOC games (against not so great opponents, except maybe Fresno) the way the season turned out shouldn't have been a suprise. 

I think you just really like to nitpick.  I mean, you're seriously expecting a team coming off 4-7, 5-6, 7-6 seasons to look better than a team coming off an 11 win season.

I don't get it.  We're not an 11 win team (something pretty much everyone agrees on) and given the predictions people expect anywhere from 6-8 wins....so wouldn't a 6-8 team be flawed?  And if we can't talk about those flaws or at least admit that they exist, then I might as well sign up for GPC again. 
Just an fyi...Gopo is whining just as much.

I'm sure Chi Twn Cat will set everyone straight. 
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Post by: Pittcat on September 10, 2007, 01:44:53 PM
Anybody got a Whineken??  I heard they have a draft keg now.
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: KSU4ME on September 10, 2007, 01:51:24 PM
Anybody got a Whineken??  I heard they have a draft keg now.

Draught keg.

Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: Pittcat on September 10, 2007, 02:03:59 PM
Sorry, I was "speaking" phonetically
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Post by: Legore on September 10, 2007, 02:27:36 PM
I think most people expected to be 1-1 at this point and if you would have asked me before the season I would have thought Auburn would have beaten us by more and San Jose would have played us tougher.  My early perception is neither of those teams is as good as I thought they would be but it's still too early to know for sure.  

All in all I'm more encouraged then discouraged with what I've seen so far.  The defense has been good against the run which was my biggest defensive concern coming in.  The o-line has held up well which was my main concern on offense.  Deon Murphey has exceeded my expectations and given us the deep threat and return guy we need and Freeman while still not perfect has shown progress from last season.

On the downside we need to cut down on penalties for sure.  We need to turn the ball over a little less then we have and I'd like to cause a few more turnovers on defense.  Also sucks that A Moore is done for the year and we need to get Josh Moore back on the field.   Don't really get the doom and gloom stuff though we have not played perfect but we have not played poorly in either game.  Comparitive scores and things like TD to INT ratios are meaningless.  
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Post by: ECN on September 10, 2007, 02:34:50 PM
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Post by: pissclams on September 10, 2007, 02:39:05 PM
I think most people expected to be 1-1 at this point and if you would have asked me before the season I would have thought Auburn would have beaten us by more and San Jose would have played us tougher.  My early perception is neither of those teams is as good as I thought they would be but it's still too early to know for sure.  

All in all I'm more encouraged then discouraged with what I've seen so far.  The defense has been good against the run which was my biggest defensive concern coming in.  The o-line has held up well which was my main concern on offense.  Deon Murphey has exceeded my expectations and given us the deep threat and return guy we need and Freeman while still not perfect has shown progress from last season.

On the downside we need to cut down on penalties for sure.  We need to turn the ball over a little less then we have and I'd like to cause a few more turnovers on defense.  Also sucks that A Moore is done for the year and we need to get Josh Moore back on the field.   Don't really get the doom and gloom stuff though we have not played perfect but we have not played poorly in either game.  Comparitive scores and things like TD to INT ratios are meaningless.  
The man speaks the truth.
Title: Re: This board has gotten really whiny.
Post by: WilliamTheWildcat on September 10, 2007, 02:53:31 PM
I'm a Chiefs, Royals and Cats fan.  Yet here I am smiling.

Seriously, I agree with Saul.  Lots of insecurity.

Oh and I also blame bmw.  He's to blame for everything. ;)
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Post by: catzacker on September 10, 2007, 02:58:56 PM
I think most people expected to be 1-1 at this point and if you would have asked me before the season I would have thought Auburn would have beaten us by more and San Jose would have played us tougher.  My early perception is neither of those teams is as good as I thought they would be but it's still too early to know for sure.  

All in all I'm more encouraged then discouraged with what I've seen so far.  The defense has been good against the run which was my biggest defensive concern coming in.  The o-line has held up well which was my main concern on offense.  Deon Murphey has exceeded my expectations and given us the deep threat and return guy we need and Freeman while still not perfect has shown progress from last season.

On the downside we need to cut down on penalties for sure.  We need to turn the ball over a little less then we have and I'd like to cause a few more turnovers on defense.  Also sucks that A Moore is done for the year and we need to get Josh Moore back on the field.   Don't really get the doom and gloom stuff though we have not played perfect but we have not played poorly in either game.  Comparitive scores and things like TD to INT ratios are meaningless.  

This is the biggest surprise so far, for me anyways.  It's something that I was hoping would occur this year and has.  

I'm not doom and gloom, we just have issues, some of which are the same as last year, which is discouraging.  Our o-line fought their asses off at Auburn against a good front 7, and I really think that if we tried to run more (especially against SJSt.) we'd have better success in the passing game (maybe easier is a better word than better).  I'm not all in on putting everything on Josh's shoulders.  
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Post by: michigancat on September 10, 2007, 03:02:54 PM
I think most people expected to be 1-1 at this point and if you would have asked me before the season I would have thought Auburn would have beaten us by more and San Jose would have played us tougher.  My early perception is neither of those teams is as good as I thought they would be but it's still too early to know for sure. 

All in all I'm more encouraged then discouraged with what I've seen so far.  The defense has been good against the run which was my biggest defensive concern coming in.  The o-line has held up well which was my main concern on offense.  Deon Murphey has exceeded my expectations and given us the deep threat and return guy we need and Freeman while still not perfect has shown progress from last season.

On the downside we need to cut down on penalties for sure.  We need to turn the ball over a little less then we have and I'd like to cause a few more turnovers on defense.  Also sucks that A Moore is done for the year and we need to get Josh Moore back on the field.   Don't really get the doom and gloom stuff though we have not played perfect but we have not played poorly in either game.  Comparitive scores and things like TD to INT ratios are meaningless. 

This is the biggest surprise so far, for me anyways.  It's something that I was hoping would occur this year and has. 

I'm not doom and gloom, we just have issues, some of which are the same as last year, which is discouraging.  Our o-line fought their asses off at Auburn against a good front 7, and I really think that if we tried to run more (especially against SJSt.) we'd have better success in the passing game (maybe easier is a better word than better).  I'm not all in on putting everything on Josh's shoulders. 

I think the fact that that's the only non-doom-and-gloom post I've seen from you this season kind of makes you doom and gloom.

FWIW.

And I'd like to see more Patton, less Johnson.
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Post by: TheShocker on September 10, 2007, 03:06:04 PM
Comparitive scores and things like TD to INT ratios are meaningless. 


I totally agree. That crap is way overrated.
Sincerely,

Ryan Leaf

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Post by: KSU4ME on September 10, 2007, 03:14:59 PM
JJ had 25 yards on his first 3 carries...all on the first drive.

After that, he got 2 carries in the next three drives.

First drive of the second half, JJ got 26 yards in 3 carries.  Next drive 23 yards in 2 carries.  

Frankly, I'm surprised he ran as well as he did considering that there wasn't a chance for a good rhythm to develop.  He just did his job when he got the ball.

Since everyone is sooo doom and gloom, here's my hope springs eternal thoughts:

Prince is de-emphasizing the run to get Josh and the WRs in synch on timing.  Thus we have all the short passes with YAC.  The controlled passing game is the foundation of the Prince WCO, and has to be in place before we can really see full value from the run game and deep passing game.  Those things will be added in over the next two weeks.  In the mean time, while the passes are short, Josh is hitting receivers in stride at the right time for them to make a play.  And he's doing it at 60%+ while facing a decent amount of pressure.
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Post by: chum1 on September 10, 2007, 03:22:51 PM
Because most of our fanbase are a bunch of bitches.  They act like ku fans.   :violin:

Or little brothers of ku fans.