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Title: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: novembereleven on July 14, 2007, 10:36:24 PM
WITHOUT LOOKING!
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: fatty fat fat on July 14, 2007, 11:23:23 PM
But...But...He's looked so good when he's lost! GBR!!1
Title: The answer is they are tied with 4 wins each
Post by: novembereleven on July 15, 2007, 11:03:48 AM
The tricky part of the question is because Keller won vs. Purdue in the 2004 Sun Bowl. So here are the amazing savior Sam Keller's wins in his "illustrious" career.


2004 vs. Purdue (7-5) Sun Bowl
2005 vs. Temple (0-11)
2005 vs. Northwestern (7-5)
2005 @ Oregon State (5-6)

Keller has a grand total of 8 career starts (4-4). Admittedly he had some pretty sick numbers before getting hurt in 2005. Problem is Freshman Rudy Carpenter had much, much better numbers (in 2 fewer starts) when Keller got hurt. It should also be noted they had a very good WR corps, including one of the best WR in the nation in Derek Hagan.

...............CMP......ATT......YDS......CMP%....YDS/A......TD......INT......RATING
Rudy Carpenter..156......228.....2273.......68.4.........9.97.......17.......2.........175.0
Sam Keller.........155......264.....2165.......58.7.........8.20.......20.......9.........145.8

I'd say there is a hell of a lot of hype coming from up north for a guy with 4 wins in his 4 year career.
Title: Re: The answer is they are tied with 4 wins each
Post by: Pett on July 15, 2007, 11:09:03 AM
...............CMP......ATT......YDS......CMP%....YDS/A......TD......INT......RATING
Rudy Carpenter..156......228.....2273.......68.4.........9.97.......17.......2.........175.0
Sam Keller.........155......264.....2165.......58.7.........8.20.......20.......9.........145.8

LOL, no wonder why Sam transferred.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Maxell on July 15, 2007, 12:11:40 PM
Nice spin job. Lets see Soul Glo pass for 450 on LSU and 350 on USC. Then come talk. Arizona State had no offensive line, no running game and no defense to compliment Sam. And Rudy didn't play against anyone with a pulse after Keller injured his thumb.
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On Friday, USC defensive end Lawrence Jackson will stop by to take your questions in chat. Jackson was named to ESPN.com Ivan Maisel's preseason All-America team.

Mike P Hebron,Ct: Out of all the college quarterbacks you have played against, who is the best you've ever seen?

SportsNation Lawrence Jackson: It definitely has to be Vince Young, because he can pass and run the ball, so you have to be alert on defense. As far as passing quarterback, I have to say Sam Keller or Brady Quinn.


Rival coaches see no flaws in Keller

BY DIRK CHATELAIN

WORLD-HERALD BUREAU

LINCOLN - Year Four of Bill Callahan's revolutionary era at Nebraska got a dose of intrigue Wednesday.

With apologies to the Huskers' 2006 campaign, which begins nine days from today, Sam Keller's addition abruptly shifts attention to September 2007, if only for a few days.

National experts find Nebraska the trendy pick this fall to rise above the mediocre heap in the Big 12 North. Don't be surprised if talk next August shifts to NU unseating Oklahoma and Texas while challenging for a national title.

"Not only did they find a ringer, so to speak, they got a fifth-year senior (in 2007) who's proven himself at the highest level," said SI.com college football columnist Stewart Mandel.

"To have that kind of kid walk in to your program with his ability, they've got to be ecstatic," said Northwestern defensive coordinator Greg Colby, who watched a year ago as Keller torched his defense for 409 yards and four touchdowns. "Everybody hopes somebody like that walks in the door."

Keller, projected as a first-round NFL draft pick by some publications, may tout the highest profile of any transfer in the country. Add him to Callahan's depth chart, in which most playmakers are sophomores and juniors, and NU could be poised to complete its resurgence in '07.

That season's roster is far from etched in stone, but it may improve from '06 at every position except defensive line, where the team figures to lose four starters, including All-America candidate Adam Carriker.

A deep, skillful linebacking corps will be a year older. A suspect secondary should get Zack Bowman back, while newcomers like Andre Jones, Rickey Thenarse, Major Culbert and Anthony West will have had time to mature.

On offense, four young, dynamic running backs are expected to return. The same goes for each of the top receivers. Meanwhile, Dennis Wagner will have had another year to develop his young tackles and build depth.

The biggest 2007 question mark before Wednesday: quarterback. Joe Ganz and transfer Brian Hildebrand seemed destined to compete for the job after Harrison Beck left the program this month.

But Keller's addition replaces the question mark with an exclamation point, according to coaches who have faced him. The 6-foot-4, 230-pounder may affect Nebraska's hopes in 2007 the same way Rhett Bomar's departure damaged Oklahoma's chances this season.

"I didn't see any asians in his armor," said Colby, the Northwestern coordinator. "He's got the physical tools to be a great one."


Northwestern faced every Big 10 school but Minnesota and Indiana a year ago. Keller, according to Colby, is a better pure passer than Ohio State's Troy Smith and Iowa's Drew Tate. He reminds Colby of Michigan's Chad Henne in terms of size and talent. But Henne didn't have Keller's numbers.

By all accounts, Keller throws with power and precision.

"He was just playing at a really high level," said Oregon State defensive coordinator Mark Banker, whose defense allowed 365 yards and four touchdowns during Keller's September 2005 blitz. "He knew where to go with it, and he delivered it."

Banker said Keller has the intangibles, too.

"He's got pocket presence," Banker said. "He's a tough kid. He can get whacked and handle the blitz. He'll find a way to get it done."


Callahan's West Coast offense helped attract Keller to Lincoln. Mandel said Keller will be "an interesting litmus test" for the West Coast offense. Many skeptics say the West Coast is too sophisticated for the college game.

"If Sam Keller struggles in it, that tells you it's too complicated," Mandel said.

Colby said it would be difficult for a quarterback to pick up the West Coast in just one year, but Nebraska shouldn't worry about Keller's intelligence.

"When you watch him, he made all the right decisions," Colby said. "There weren't many times he threw to the wrong spot."

Banker, the Oregon State coordinator, said a lot of young quarterbacks who haven't played in intricate systems freeze up at the first sniff of complexity. They anticipate a blitz and look for the closest run audible.

"He's just been exposed to more," Banker said. "He knows defenses. He knows how to recognize a two-deep, whether it's a squat corner or a press corner."


That knowledge base should expedite Keller's learning process. Many quarterbacks during a transfer year would split time between learning the offense, studying coverages and mastering fundamentals. Keller can focus on the playbook.

"He'll have a step up on most kids," Banker said.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Iceberg on July 15, 2007, 12:14:31 PM
Nice spin job. Lets see Soul Glo pass for 450 on LSU and 350 on USC. Then come talk.

The truth is that your are hurt because you wish Freeman went to Nebraska. But since he went to KSU, you had to settle for Keller.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: The Manhatter on July 15, 2007, 12:17:10 PM
Nice spin job. Lets see Soul Glo pass for 450 on LSU and 350 on USC. Then come talk. Arizona State had no offensive line, no running game and no defense to compliment Sam. And Rudy didn't play against anyone with a pulse after Keller injured his thumb.

why are you bringing up LSU and USC when Keller didn't win those games?  Freeman passed for 280 on Tejas and got the W...something a Nebraska QB has not done since a soph. Crouch...Taylor didn't do it either.

Anything else?

PS, I didn't read a bit of the jargon you posted afterwards.  LOL...uh, good for LSU and USC or whatever and kudos to your finding quotes from a kid who was a soph. DE when he faced him.  Freakin' hilarious.

Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 15, 2007, 02:52:23 PM
Keller is just a misunderstood legend.

Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: cireksu on July 15, 2007, 03:44:19 PM
Has it really been 2 years since he has played in an actual game!?!
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: ksuno1stunner on July 15, 2007, 03:54:45 PM
LOL @ Sam Keller.  More like Helen Keller!   :loly:
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Maxell on July 15, 2007, 04:03:41 PM
Nice spin job. Lets see Soul Glo pass for 450 on LSU and 350 on USC. Then come talk. Arizona State had no offensive line, no running game and no defense to compliment Sam. And Rudy didn't play against anyone with a pulse after Keller injured his thumb.

why are you bringing up LSU and USC when Keller didn't win those games?  Freeman passed for 280 on Tejas and got the W...something a Nebraska QB has not done since a soph. Crouch...Taylor didn't do it either.

Anything else?

PS, I didn't read a bit of the jargon you posted afterwards.  LOL...uh, good for LSU and USC or whatever and kudos to your finding quotes from a kid who was a soph. DE when he faced him.  Freakin' hilarious.



He played with a far worse cast of characters at ASU than he'll have at Nebraska this year. He'll actually have an OL, running game and defense at Nebraska. Keller has also said there's no comparison in the kind of strength and conditioning work done at Nebraska and at Arizona State. Yeah Freeman did great against Texas-how did he do against Kansas? How did he look in your spring game?

Yeah Jackson made the quote at the beginning of his junior season last year. Nevermind that he puts Keller on the same level as Brady Quinn-the guy who was just a high draft pick of the Browns. Keep spinning. Freeman doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as a guy who will be a 1st round pick next year. 
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: ksuno1stunner on July 15, 2007, 04:20:16 PM
Nice spin job. Lets see Soul Glo pass for 450 on LSU and 350 on USC. Then come talk. Arizona State had no offensive line, no running game and no defense to compliment Sam. And Rudy didn't play against anyone with a pulse after Keller injured his thumb.

why are you bringing up LSU and USC when Keller didn't win those games?  Freeman passed for 280 on Tejas and got the W...something a Nebraska QB has not done since a soph. Crouch...Taylor didn't do it either.

Anything else?

PS, I didn't read a bit of the jargon you posted afterwards.  LOL...uh, good for LSU and USC or whatever and kudos to your finding quotes from a kid who was a soph. DE when he faced him.  Freakin' hilarious.



He played with a far worse cast of characters at ASU than he'll have at Nebraska this year. He'll actually have an OL, running game and defense at Nebraska. Keller has also said there's no comparison in the kind of strength and conditioning work done at Nebraska and at Arizona State. Yeah Freeman did great against Texas-how did he do against Kansas? How did he look in your spring game?

Yeah Jackson made the quote at the beginning of his junior season last year. Nevermind that he puts Keller on the same level as Brady Quinn-the guy who was just a high draft pick of the Browns. Keep spinning. Freeman doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as a guy who will be a 1st round pick next year. 

Kiper called Freeman the best young QB in the Big 12.  He will be a higher pick than Helen Keller <---- LOL!!!!
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: steve dave on July 15, 2007, 04:21:45 PM
Keller's teammates hated him playing for them and hated him as a person fwiw.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: The Manhatter on July 15, 2007, 04:29:03 PM
He played with a far worse cast of characters at ASU than he'll have at Nebraska this year. He'll actually have an OL, running game and defense at Nebraska. Keller has also said there's no comparison in the kind of strength and conditioning work done at Nebraska and at Arizona State. Yeah Freeman did great against Texas-how did he do against Kansas? How did he look in your spring game?

Yeah Jackson made the quote at the beginning of his junior season last year. Nevermind that he puts Keller on the same level as Brady Quinn-the guy who was just a high draft pick of the Browns. Keep spinning. Freeman doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as a guy who will be a 1st round pick next year. 

It's an LOL fiesta!!

Yep, I trust those words by some player just like I believed Terence Newman when interviewed by the press said the best QB he faced was Chris Simms..(cough, he played against Carson Palmer).

Yep, Keller had crap talent to work w/...like Hagan at receiver and the TE who just went high in the draft.  Lollers.

get real ya tard.

Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Maxell on July 15, 2007, 04:33:04 PM
He played with a far worse cast of characters at ASU than he'll have at Nebraska this year. He'll actually have an OL, running game and defense at Nebraska. Keller has also said there's no comparison in the kind of strength and conditioning work done at Nebraska and at Arizona State. Yeah Freeman did great against Texas-how did he do against Kansas? How did he look in your spring game?

Yeah Jackson made the quote at the beginning of his junior season last year. Nevermind that he puts Keller on the same level as Brady Quinn-the guy who was just a high draft pick of the Browns. Keep spinning. Freeman doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as a guy who will be a 1st round pick next year. 

It's an LOL fiesta!!

Yep, I trust those words by some player just like I believed Terence Newman when interviewed by the press said the best QB he faced was Chris Simms..(cough, he played against Carson Palmer).

Yep, Keller had crap talent to work w/...like Hagan at receiver and the TE who just went high in the draft.  Lollers.

get real ya tard.



Did you even read what I said d-bag? I said he had no OL, no defense and no running game. Where did I say anything about skill position WRs and TEs?
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: fatty fat fat on July 15, 2007, 04:33:40 PM
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Yep, I trust those words by some player just like I believed Terence Newman when interviewed by the press said the best QB he faced was Chris Simms..(cough, he played against Carson Palmer).

LOL. Good memory.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Maxell on July 15, 2007, 04:34:01 PM
Keller's teammates hated him playing for them and hated him as a person fwiw.

Yeah that's why he was unanimously voted a team captain-twice. Tool. Way to get your facts straight.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: fatty fat fat on July 15, 2007, 04:34:59 PM
Keller was friggin kicked out of ASU.

Enough said. The guys has HUGE character issues.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Maxell on July 15, 2007, 04:39:27 PM
Keller was friggin kicked out of ASU.

Enough said. The guys has HUGE character issues.

LOL @ kicked out of ASU. Do you write Harry Potter books too? Let me try writing your kind of garbage:

Prince was fired from Virginia. Al Groh blamed him for the inept and horrible offensive problems at UVA.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: fatty fat fat on July 15, 2007, 04:41:44 PM
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Prince was fired from Virginia. Al Groh blamed him for the inept and horrible offensive problems at UVA.


Dude, you should build a "LOL" store or something, because you are the best at producing LOL moments.


 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: waks on July 15, 2007, 04:42:50 PM
Will someone please post one of the thousand links regarding Keller and his teammates' complete lack of confidence in him as a quarterback and a leader. Thanks.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Huskerfan on July 15, 2007, 04:46:54 PM
Good posts Maxell. Don't mind the idiots here, they'll rationalize anyway they have to, to avoid accepting that their teams sucks, and has no prayer of even competing with Nebraska. Just wait until Keller torches their defense for 400+ yards and multiple TDs.

Just a tip for the homosexual purple  clad K-State losers. I hear crow is better with a little mayo.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: The Manhatter on July 15, 2007, 04:55:52 PM
Quote
Yep, I trust those words by some player just like I believed Terence Newman when interviewed by the press said the best QB he faced was Chris Simms..(cough, he played against Carson Palmer).

LOL. Good memory.

 :lol:

Not to mention some of the other QB's he faced...but lol at believing what a player says about some opponent. 

Kareem Kelly on Terence Newman, "I play against better corners in the Pac-10".

According to Maxell...them words = oak.

Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: steve dave on July 16, 2007, 07:57:20 AM
Just a tip for the homosexual purple  clad K-State losers.

I wasn't going to mention this because I don't think there is anything wrong with it but you are aware that Keller is a known homosexual right?  Go ask the ASU message boards and they will fill you in on the details.  This has been known for some time fwiw.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: chum1 on July 16, 2007, 08:14:33 AM
Other things being equal, we would be way more excited to have Keller at KSU than this guy is to have him at Nebraska.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Bookcat on July 16, 2007, 08:23:50 AM
In much the same way that Zac Taylor was helped out by NU's offensive line and running game..Keller will depend on the same thing. Period.  Keller will be decent for NU as the starter this year...but he won't be any more flashy than Zac Taylor.

Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: kougar24 on July 16, 2007, 08:30:10 AM
He'll actually have an OL, running game and defense at Nebraska. 

Jeez, NU will have an all-everything QB in Keller, AND a good OL, running game, and defense? What excuse will they have when they don't win the Big XII, let alone the NC?  :jerkoff:
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Pittcat on July 16, 2007, 11:33:03 AM
Yeah that's why he was unanimously voted a team captain-twice. Tool. Way to get your facts straight.


And those votes can't be encouraged or swayed by the coaches?  If you believe they aren't on ANY team then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Kat Kid on July 16, 2007, 11:39:19 AM
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Prince was fired from Virginia. Al Groh blamed him for the inept and horrible offensive problems at UVA.


Dude, you should build a "LOL" store or something, because you are the best at producing LOL moments.


 :lol: :lol: :lol:

In a top shelf thread, this comment gets center of the mantle.

Do work, fatty.  Do work.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: WilliamTheWildcat on July 16, 2007, 11:48:32 AM
Sam Keller "Tore up" the UNL scout team all last season.  And we all know that UNL scout team could win the North.  They just weren't offered schollies elsewhere.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Pete on July 16, 2007, 03:14:14 PM
The "TRUTH" of this thread has been pointed out by both sides.

If Keller were at ANY other Big 12 school, the Nubbs would be laughing at the prospect of that school winning a division.  The Keller experiment will get destroyed against USC, but it won't be that obvious since Cally will barely risk throwing the ball in his attempt to keep it close.  NU won't give Mizzou much of a run for the North.  Keller won't start in the bowl game (likely which will be at least a week earlier than New Year's Day).



Freeman has looked like dog crap the last three times he stepped on the field in front of paying customers.  Neither Josh nor his OL have given any real reason to expext improvement early in 2007.

Auburn WILL be his fourth consecutive disaster.  Josh may well have more TOs than First Downs. 

Prince will do seemingly nothing about that issue...We'll run the ball 50 times against San Jose State and win (ala OSU last year) a close one, we'll beat Missouri State Chump team handily.  Prince and his minions will cheer "See Josh is OK." 

One week off until Texas exacts mercilous revenge on Josh (another game with more TOs than First Downs).  We'll all wonder why our OL hasn't improved, and we'll all make up excuses about the new Juco guys just needing more time in the system.  Meanwhile, our poor defense will fight as hard as they can to keep us in games and Carson will keep shredding them in practice.  BUT...Josh will continue to be tall, handsome, and beautifully pronate with his hand at the end of throws.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: KSU4ME on July 16, 2007, 03:32:53 PM
In Prince's defense, any time you get 7+ per carry, you should continue to run the ball.

Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: michigancat on July 16, 2007, 03:35:50 PM
LOL @ counting the spring game.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: fatty fat fat on July 16, 2007, 03:40:08 PM
Chill out about the spring game. My man "ksuno1stunner" summed it up best on the phog.net "gridiron" board

Quote
LOL, the playcalling was about as vanilla as it gets.  Plus our defense is ridiculous, and likely one of the best in the Big 12.


 :beerchug:
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: KSU4ME on July 16, 2007, 03:42:18 PM
LOL @ counting the spring game.

You can count spring game stats if the AD lists it as a W.

http://www.huskers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&KEY=&SPID=22&SPSID=3 (http://www.huskers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&KEY=&SPID=22&SPSID=3)
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Pittcat on July 16, 2007, 03:45:24 PM
Now that's a key victory!!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: fatty fat fat on July 16, 2007, 03:46:10 PM
LOL @ counting the spring game.

You can count spring game stats if the AD lists it as a W.

http://www.huskers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&KEY=&SPID=22&SPSID=3 (http://www.huskers.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&KEY=&SPID=22&SPSID=3)

http://www.aggieathletics.com/index.php?SID=MFB
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: KSU4ME on July 16, 2007, 03:48:18 PM
NOw that's a key victory!!   :thumbsup:

It's pretty sweet.  Kills their SOS though.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Pete on July 16, 2007, 03:48:44 PM
LOL @ counting the spring game.

Paying customers are paying customers.  Did Josh look like crap or didn't he?  If the spring game had not followed two horrible outings, then it can be excused....but unfortunately it was another data point in a trend.

Exclude the spring game if you'd like, but I'll bet you big that he'll have a similar performance against Auburn.  Care to take that bet?
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: KSU4ME on July 16, 2007, 03:51:49 PM
Exclude the spring game if you'd like, but I'll bet you big that he'll have a similar performance against Auburn.  Care to take that bet?

You're on.  Josh was 9-22 for 44 yards.

I'll bet he averages better than 0.5 per attempt at Auburn.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Pittcat on July 16, 2007, 03:53:55 PM
Now that's a key victory!!   :thumbsup:

It's pretty sweet.  Kills their SOS though.

Call the NCAA!  That W was fixed, Callatard knew what plays the losing team was going to use!!!
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: michigancat on July 16, 2007, 03:59:35 PM
LOL @ counting the spring game.

Paying customers are paying customers.  Did Josh look like @#%$ or didn't he?  If the spring game had not followed two horrible outings, then it can be excused....but unfortunately it was another data point in a trend.

Exclude the spring game if you'd like, but I'll bet you big that he'll have a similar performance against Auburn.  Care to take that bet?

LOL @ your "statistical" "trend" data.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Pete on July 16, 2007, 03:59:52 PM
You're on.  Josh was 9-22 for 44 yards.
I'll bet he averages better than 0.5 per attempt at Auburn.

Sure, take it literally for fun....but the TO to TD ratio will be similar, if not worse.  What would you call a "good game" by Josh against Auburn?
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Pete on July 16, 2007, 04:03:04 PM

LOL @ your "statistical" "trend" data.

I call a "trend" two data points in a row, what do you call it?  What do you call THREE data points in a row?

Just to clarify....how do YOU think Josh has played the last three times there were paying fans in the seats?  Also, what reason do you have for implying he'll do better against Auburn?  Have any thoughts on those two items or just more "LOL" cop-outs?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: michigancat on July 16, 2007, 04:20:39 PM

LOL @ your "statistical" "trend" data.

I call a "trend" two data points in a row, what do you call it?  What do you call THREE data points in a row?

Just to clarify....how do YOU think Josh has played the last three times there were paying fans in the seats?  Also, what reason do you have for implying he'll do better against Auburn?  Have any thoughts on those two items or just more "LOL" cop-outs?  :rolleyes:

I just think trying to identify a trend is silly.  ku had a great gameplan and we had a horrible OL, and were completely overmatched against a BCS-worthy team.  When he sucks against Auburn, it will because of an overmatched OL, not because of some mysterious trend that continued throughout the spring game.

(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/rlj4794/freemangraph.jpg)
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Pete on July 16, 2007, 04:23:00 PM
I just think trying to identify a trend is silly.  ku had a great gameplan and we had a horrible OL, and were completely overmatched against a BCS-worthy team.  When he sucks against Auburn, it will because of an overmatched OL, not because of some mysterious trend that continued throughout the spring game.

So we have to wait until San Jose State to really evaluate Josh? 
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: michigancat on July 16, 2007, 04:24:39 PM
I just think trying to identify a trend is silly.  ku had a great gameplan and we had a horrible OL, and were completely overmatched against a BCS-worthy team.  When he sucks against Auburn, it will because of an overmatched OL, not because of some mysterious trend that continued throughout the spring game.

So we have to wait until San Jose State to really evaluate Josh? 

Honestly?  Yeah.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Pittcat on July 16, 2007, 04:26:41 PM
So what are you going to do if Josh performs surprisingly well against Auburn?  I'm not saying a win, but a good, solid, mature performance.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: michigancat on July 16, 2007, 04:28:29 PM
So what are you going to do if Josh performs surprisingly well against Auburn?  I'm not saying a win, but a good, solid, mature performance.

Say, "Damn, the o-line has come a long way" or "great gameplan by Prince".
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: KSU4ME on July 16, 2007, 04:33:29 PM

Sure, take it literally for fun....but the TO to TD ratio will be similar, if not worse.  What would you call a "good game" by Josh against Auburn?

It's your bet, you set the line and I'll tell you if I'll take it.

Do you think Jeremy James will be the only RB to get carries for KSU at Auburn?
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: michigancat on July 16, 2007, 04:35:07 PM
I'd bet a billion dollars his TD:TO ratio won't be worse.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Pete on July 16, 2007, 04:36:25 PM
So what are you going to do if Josh performs surprisingly well against Auburn?  I'm not saying a win, but a good, solid, mature performance.

Say, "Damn, the o-line has come a long way" or "great gameplan by Prince".

I'd agree with that.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Pete on July 16, 2007, 04:37:26 PM
Do you think Jeremy James will be the only RB to get carries for KSU at Auburn?

Who?
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: KSU4ME on July 16, 2007, 04:43:11 PM
Do you think Jeremy James will be the only RB to get carries for KSU at Auburn?

Who?

How can you bag on Josh's Spring performance if you don't know the name of his only RB during that game?

And it's Mr. Jeremy James to you.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: michigancat on July 16, 2007, 04:45:11 PM
Do you think Jeremy James will be the only RB to get carries for KSU at Auburn?

Who?

How can you bag on Josh's Spring performance if you don't know the name of his only RB during that game?

And it's Mr. Jeremy James to you.

LOL.

Nice.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: ksuno1stunner on July 16, 2007, 04:45:47 PM
Do you think Jeremy James will be the only RB to get carries for KSU at Auburn?

Who?

How can you bag on Josh's Spring performance if you don't know the name of his only RB during that game?

And it's Mr. Jeremy James to you.

Is he the Grambling dude?
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Pete on July 16, 2007, 04:58:19 PM
How can you bag on Josh's Spring performance if you don't know the name of his only RB during that game?

And it's Mr. Jeremy James to you.

Man, you got me.

I know who his running backs against ku and Rutgers were...do I still get to bag on those performances?

Josh would have been nails in the spring game if he'd only had a good running back....never mind his receivers being Jordy and Gonzalez (two most seasoned receivers) and TE being Norwood (most seasoned TE).  Yep, you got with the RB.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: waks on July 16, 2007, 05:06:25 PM
How can you bag on Josh's Spring performance if you don't know the name of his only RB during that game?

And it's Mr. Jeremy James to you.

Man, you got me.

I know who his running backs against ku and Rutgers were...do I still get to bag on those performances?

Josh would have been nails in the spring game if he'd only had a good running back....never mind his receivers being Jordy and Gonzalez (two most seasoned receivers) and TE being Norwood (most seasoned TE).  Yep, you got with the RB.   :rolleyes:
Curious. Do you know who his receivers were in the ku game?
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: KSU4ME on July 16, 2007, 05:09:28 PM
I don't know how Josh would have performed with a full complement of starters around him.  I think it's safe to say "better."

I do know that trying to read a bunch into a Spring Game can make you look like a fool.

Ell Roberson taught me that in the 2001 season.  Jeff Schwinn reminded me a few years later.

With a hodge-podge OL and a RB that was pulled right out of the stands....

Here are some things I really don't expect to happen at Auburn:

1.  Freeman to handoff to Jeremy James
2.  Corey Schultz to be on the receiving end of Freeman passes
3.  Zach Lucas to play, let alone start on OL
4.  Matt Wykes to lead the team in receiving yardage

I could go on, but I'll respect your intelligence and assume that you've gotten the point.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Pete on July 16, 2007, 05:12:18 PM
Curious. Do you know who his receivers were in the ku game?

Wait, are we arguing recievers or running backs?  Jordy, Mastrud and Norwood were his leading WRs.  
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Pete on July 16, 2007, 05:14:14 PM

I could go on, but I'll respect your intelligence and assume that you've gotten the point.

Thank you, and my only reply is that there were two quarterbacks in that game, and the other one also didn't have a full compliment of resources.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: KSU4ME on July 16, 2007, 05:16:39 PM
So are you suggesting that Coffman would do better against ku/Rutgers/UT/Baylor/etc?

I highly doubt it, and if you do, I'll revoke my previous statement about your intelligence.

Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: waks on July 16, 2007, 05:21:22 PM
Curious. Do you know who his receivers were in the ku game?

Wait, are we arguing recievers or running backs?  Jordy, Mastrud and Norwood were his leading WRs. 
A disabled Jordy. A sloooooooow Mastrud. No Moreira and no Figurs. Wow. What a receiving corps! You don't think that could have anything to do with why he was so bad against the number 119 ranked pass defense in the nation?
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: catinthehat on July 16, 2007, 09:13:03 PM
"Keller's teammates hated him playing for them and hated him as a person fwiw."

a perfect reason to vote him as a  team captain then.  umm wait, uhhh
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: ksuno1stunner on July 16, 2007, 09:14:17 PM
"Keller's teammates hated him playing for them and hated him as a person fwiw."

a perfect reason to vote him as a  team captain then.  umm wait, uhhh

A rapist playing for one year is team captain?  Wow...pretty telling of the rest of your team.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Huskerfan on July 17, 2007, 02:16:46 AM
So where do all these unsubstantiated rumors come from that Keller is:

a) Gay
b) Into drugs
c) A rapist

??? I've seen no links or stories that substantiate that. Just gossip, rumors, and innuendo.

I think you guys are desperately grasping at straws, knowing deep down that when Keller torches you for 300+ yards and multiple TDs, you'll need to rationalize it somehow...so you're preparing to claim that you wouldn't even want someone like that on your team.

Pretty sad.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: S. Parker on July 17, 2007, 06:58:32 AM
I'm excited to have Keller. How things went with Freeman still kind of pisses me off, but not having him is okay now because we got Keller and Lee, and then Witt started looking good. After getting those guys it wasn't like I was waking up every morning thinking, 'Damn, I wish we had Freeman.'

Keller's career was progressing fine until he was injured. At that point it got thrown for a loop, but after seeing how thing went with Rudy Carpenter and Arizona State last year I'd say he made the right choice. I think Keller is going to have a strong year for us.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: steve dave on July 17, 2007, 08:15:22 AM
So where do all these unsubstantiated rumors come from that Keller is:

a) Gay
b) Into drugs
c) A rapist

??? I've seen no links or stories that substantiate that. Just gossip, rumors, and innuendo.

I think you guys are desperately grasping at straws, knowing deep down that when Keller torches you for 300+ yards and multiple TDs, you'll need to rationalize it somehow...so you're preparing to claim that you wouldn't even want someone like that on your team.

Pretty sad.

He raped a dude while high.
Title: Re: Who currently has more career wins as a starting QB Freeman or Keller?
Post by: Huskerfan on July 17, 2007, 10:19:49 AM
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He raped a dude while high.

 :blahblah:  :jerkoff: