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Coach Ron will have to go 9-4 in 2007 to be an above average 2nd year coach. Good luck, Coach Ron!
2005 New Coach 2005 2006
Bronco Mendenhall 6-6 11-2
Skip Holtz 5-6 7-6
Urban Meyer 9-3 13-1
Ron Zook 2-9 2-10
Terry Hoeppner 4-7 5-7
Les Miles 11-2 11-2
Mark Snyder 4-7 5-7
Shane Montgomery 7-4 2-10
Ed Orgeron 3-8 4-8
Mike Sanford 2-9 2-10
Hal Mumme 0-12 4-8
Charlie Weis 9-3 10-3
Frank Solich 4-7 9-5
Mike Gundy 4-7 7-6
Dave Wannstedt 5-6 6-6
Dick Tomey 3-8 9-4
Steve Spurrier 7-5 8-5
Walt Harris 5-6 1-11
Greg Robinson 1-10 4-8
Kyle Wittingham 7-5 8-5
Brent Guy 3-8 1-11
Ty Willingham 2-9 5-7
Bill Cubit 7-4 8-5
100-151 142-157
39.8% 47.5%
2006 New Coach 2006 2007 with average increase in win %
Ron Prince 7-6 8-5
53.8% 61.5%
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How does that have anything to do with Coach Prince's ability to coach????? I can't believe you actually took the time to look all the crap up! :ku: If Prince goes 9-4 this year then he should be the NCOY with our brutal schedule!
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At 9-4, is that a W or L in our bowl game?
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Good stats chum. Bob Stoops won a national championship in his second year. I expect nothing less.
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Good stats chum. Bob Stoops won a national championship in his second year. I expect nothing less.
Remember when everyone felt like the season was over when we lost one game... :crybaby:
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I really hope that Ron Prince is the second coming of Bronco Mendenhall. Hal Mumme or Frank Solich would also be acceptable.
I hope he doesn't disappoint us with a Steve Spurrier, Urban Meyer, or Charlie Weiss-type improvement.
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Good stats chum. Bob Stoops won a national championship in his second year. I expect nothing less.
Remember when everyone felt like the season was over when we lost one game... :crybaby:
I remember thinking we were terrible for after losing @ A&M in '00 (our second loss of the season, we were #10 in the country and A&M was unranked).
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I remember thinking we were horrible after winning our first game in 2006.
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Good stats chum. Bob Stoops won a national championship in his second year. I expect nothing less.
Remember when everyone felt like the season was over when we lost one game... :crybaby:
If you are refering to the Baylor game, then yes, I do remember that. Ron needs to beat ku, AND win at least as many games as last year. Ron gets NO pass for his scheduling. Good luck Ron. :blindfold:
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Solid analysis, chummers. Would you like to be a guest analyst at my blog?
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Chummy your posts are usually worth clicking, but this was just stupid.
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Chummy your posts are usually worth clicking, but this was just stupid.
Why?
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Good stats chum. Bob Stoops won a national championship in his second year. I expect nothing less.
Remember when everyone felt like the season was over when we lost one game... :crybaby:
If you are refering to the Baylor game, then yes, I do remember that. Ron needs to beat ku, AND win at least as many games as last year. Ron gets NO pass for his scheduling. Good luck Ron. :blindfold:
'98-'03
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If you are refering to the Baylor game, then yes, I do remember that. Ron needs to beat ku, AND win at least as many games as last year. Ron gets NO pass for his scheduling. Good luck Ron. :blindfold:
'98-'03
QFT...sigh...those were the days
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Chummy your posts are usually worth clicking, but this was just stupid.
Why?
If I have to point out to you how irrelevant that statistic is, then you're just as stupid. :poundon:
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Chummy your posts are usually worth clicking, but this was just stupid.
Why?
If I have to point out to you how irrelevant that statistic is, then you're just as stupid. :poundon:
you need to have your head examined in the catlab2000
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Chummy your posts are usually worth clicking, but this was just stupid.
Why?
If I have to point out to you how irrelevant that statistic is, then you're just as stupid. :poundon:
I'm a moron* stupid. So explain.
*thanks Rusty
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Chummy your posts are usually worth clicking, but this was just stupid.
Why?
If I have to point out to you how irrelevant that statistic is, then you're just as stupid. :poundon:
I'm a moron. So explain.
You just set yourself up for an argument over the differences between being a moron and being stupid.
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Chummy your posts are usually worth clicking, but this was just stupid.
Why?
If I have to point out to you how irrelevant that statistic is, then you're just as stupid. :poundon:
I'm a moron. So explain.
You just set yourself up for an argument over the differences between being a moron and being stupid.
Damn, you're right. I'll change it. I definitely don't want to be a moron, but I'll take being stupid.
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Chummy your posts are usually worth clicking, but this was just stupid.
Why?
I'm a moron. So explain.
If I have to point out to you how irrelevant that statistic is, then you're just as stupid. :poundon:
I already explained it:
Bronco Mendenhall, Hal Mumme, and Frank Solich vs. Steve Spurrier, Urban Meyer, and Charlie Weiss.
Sometimes the cub posts are worth reading.
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Chummy your posts are usually worth clicking, but this was just stupid.
Why?
I'm a moron. So explain.
If I have to point out to you how irrelevant that statistic is, then you're just as stupid. :poundon:
I already explained it:
Bronco Mendenhall, Hal Mumme, and Frank Solich vs. Steve Spurrier, Urban Meyer, and Charlie Weiss.
Sometimes the cub posts are worth reading.
So is it irrelevant? or is it stupid?
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So is it irrelevant? or is it stupid?
That all depends on you.
If you pick Mendenhall, Solich, and Mumme then you're stupid.
If you pick Spurrier, Meyer, and Weiss then the stats are irrelevant and you're stupid for failing to understand them.
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So is it irrelevant? or is it stupid?
That all depends on you.
If you pick Mendenhall, Solich, and Mumme then you're stupid.
If you pick Spurrier, Meyer, and Weiss then the stats are irrelevant and you're stupid for failing to understand them.
But would they be irrelevant if I picked Mendenhall, Solich, and Mumme? Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get some clarification.
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If I have to point out to you how irrelevant that statistic is, then you're just as stupid.
I already explained it:
Bronco Mendenhall, Hal Mumme, and Frank Solich vs. Steve Spurrier, Urban Meyer, and Charlie Weiss.
All did significantly better in their second season than in their first, didn't they? I'm sure we'll all have a similar expectation for Coach Ron.
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I think any sort of improvement on 7-6 will keep him in the good graces.
8-5 would be fantastic.
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Hal Mumme is Mike Leach's mentor.
I'd be happy with 7-6 again. Perfectly reasonable with our ridiculously tough schedule.
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According to the above, 8-5 would be average. Is Coach Ron like the dumb kid in class who gets a "C" and is thought to be doing well? (I would totally accept that explanation.)
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If I have to point out to you how irrelevant that statistic is, then you're just as stupid.
I already explained it:
Bronco Mendenhall, Hal Mumme, and Frank Solich vs. Steve Spurrier, Urban Meyer, and Charlie Weiss.
All did significantly better in their second season than in their first, didn't they? I'm sure we'll all have a similar expectation for Coach Ron.
I think we all expect Ron to improve over last season. Measuring using your parameters above (9-4) is stupid.
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I think any sort of improvement on 7-6 will keep him in the good graces.
8-5 would be fantastic.
If he loses to ku at home and still goes 8-5, right or wrong, people will be upset. And quite honestly, the only difference b/t 8-5 and 7-6 last year is that we faced a top 20 team in our bowl instead of some scrub team. We have almost the same schedule as last year, only this year we'll have an experienced QB.
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I'd be happy with 7-6 again. Perfectly reasonable with our ridiculously tough schedule.
True, but he's got a schedule that also screams at least 6 wins.
this season is SHOULD be pretty easy to predict. 6 wins is the min, 8 wins is the max.
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A bowl game gets him a pass on the season, and winning the bowl game would make it a good year.
Of course if we win 10 games this year, he should be fired. The secret to success is losing 5 games a year.
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I'd be happy with 7-6 again. Perfectly reasonable with our ridiculously tough schedule.
True, but he's got a schedule that also screams at least 6 wins.
this season is SHOULD be pretty easy to predict. 6 wins is the min, 8 wins is the max.
SJSU is no pushover. Better than Marshall last season, IMO. 1-3 in OOC isn't out of the question. It's just flat-out tough.
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Yeah, 2001, what a great season that was.
So lets review, over the course of his last 5 seasons Bill Snyder went 48-28 (.631)
From 1995-2000 Snyder Went 63-12 (.840)
In his last five season, he lost 16 more games, than he did from '95 to '00.
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From 1995-2000 Snyder Went 63-12 (.840)
HOLY &@#%
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If I have to point out to you how irrelevant that statistic is, then you're just as stupid.
I already explained it:
Bronco Mendenhall, Hal Mumme, and Frank Solich vs. Steve Spurrier, Urban Meyer, and Charlie Weiss.
All did significantly better in their second season than in their first, didn't they? I'm sure we'll all have a similar expectation for Coach Ron.
I think we all expect Ron to improve over last season. Measuring using your parameters above (9-4) is stupid.
As I've irrefutably proven, 9-4 would be a "B" at best since 8-5 is average. Are you going with the dumb kid in class explanation?
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Yeah, 2001, what a great season that was.
So lets review, over the course of his last 5 seasons Bill Snyder went 48-28 (.631)
From 1995-2000 Snyder Went 63-12 (.840)
In his last five season, he lost 16 more games, than he did from '95 to '00.
I really, really, really miss BV, M. Stoops, and Mangino. :crybaby:
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Yeah, 2001, what a great season that was.
So lets review, over the course of his last 5 seasons Bill Snyder went 48-28 (.631)
From 1995-2000 Snyder Went 63-12 (.840)
In his last five season, he lost 16 more games, than he did from '95 to '00.
Can someone compare Snyder's numbers to chum's stats?
Maybe someone who doesn't think that chums numbers are irrelevant.
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If I have to point out to you how irrelevant that statistic is, then you're just as stupid.
I already explained it:
Bronco Mendenhall, Hal Mumme, and Frank Solich vs. Steve Spurrier, Urban Meyer, and Charlie Weiss.
All did significantly better in their second season than in their first, didn't they? I'm sure we'll all have a similar expectation for Coach Ron.
No. Spurrier and Weiss both played one more OOC cupcake game with the longer schedules and they won that one game. Otherwise they were the same as the year before.
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Yeah, 2001, what a great season that was.
So lets review, over the course of his last 5 seasons Bill Snyder went 48-28 (.631)
From 1995-2000 Snyder Went 63-12 (.840)
In his last five season, he lost 16 more games, than he did from '95 to '00.
Can someone compare Snyder's numbers to chum's stats?
Maybe someone who doesn't think that chums numbers are irrelevant.
Snyder
1989: 1-10
1990: 5-6
4 game improvment.
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Can someone compare Snyder's numbers to chum's stats?
Snyder's second year was also better than his first. Another good example.
All did significantly better in their second season than in their first, didn't they? I'm sure we'll all have a similar expectation for Coach Ron.
No. Spurrier and Weiss both played one more OOC cupcake game with the longer schedules and they won that one game. Otherwise they were the same as the year before.
The new coaches of the cupcakes improved as well. (And there are no cupcakes for cupcakes.)
I'm not explaining this to you anymore because I think you're the only one that doesn't get it.
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Please give specific examples/names of the recruits will we get if we get if Coach Ron Prince gets:
An A
A B
A C
A D
A F
When you list the recruits, also list their stars, and rate the recruiting class in each scenario.
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I don't I don't I don't Understand understand your post post post post post post.
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I remember thinking we were horrible after winning our first game in 2006.
We were and
This turned into a very GPC'esque type thread
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Please give specific examples/names of the recruits will we get if we get if Coach Ron Prince gets:
An A
A B
A C
A D
A F
When you list the recruits, also list their stars, and rate the recruiting class in each scenario.
Fool!
Wins don't help recruiting.
Explaining why Frank Delarue doesn't deserve a scholarship is the key to recruiting classes.
Bob Stoops knows this. He sent Butler a detailed Powerpoint that included a link to a YouTube breaking down why Delarue wasn't offered.
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Are you going with the dumb kid in class explanation?
Is there any other option here?
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Are you going with the dumb kid in class explanation?
Is there any other option here?
Well, you could explain it by pointing out that Coach Ron was better in his first year than the other coaches were in theirs - that he doesn't really need to improve as much in his second year as they did in theirs. You could then hope that Coach Ron's first two years combined are better than average. Otherwise, we're definitely looking at a six win season this year.
2005 New Coach 2004 2005 2006
All 122-149 100-151 142-157
45.0% 39.8% 47.5%
2006 New Coach 2005 2006 2007 with average increase in win %
Ron Prince 5-6 7-6 6-6 or 6-7
45.4% 53.8% 47.9%
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Well, you could explain it by pointing out that Coach Ron was better in his first year than the other coaches were in theirs - that he doesn't really need to improve as much in his second year as they did in theirs.
Or I can sit and wait for you to figure out the dozens of obvious factors that would show that Coach Ron's program showed improvement.
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Well, you could explain it by pointing out that Coach Ron was better in his first year than the other coaches were in theirs - that he doesn't really need to improve as much in his second year as they did in theirs.
Or I can sit and wait for you to figure out the dozens of obvious factors that would show that Coach Ron's program showed improvement.
This thread is about 2007, not 2006. In particular, it is about whether or not Coach Ron will be better than average in 2007.
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Hal Mumme is Mike Leach's mentor.
I'd be happy with 7-6 again. Perfectly reasonable with our ridiculously tough schedule.
Hot Ron hand picked that schedule. If they win less than 7 games Ron should be put on double secret probation. He gets NO passes for the schedule that HE put together. Bowl games don't look at your strength of schedule.
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this is a pretty cool post!
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This thread is about 2007, not 2006. In particular, it is about whether or not Coach Ron will be better than average in 2007.
Yeah, I know.
OK, I give up. What do you want me to do? Applaud your insightfulness for pointing out that Ron will show improvement from year 1 to year 2 by winning more games? Oooo. Cool analysis. Come on chum, you're better than this.
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The moral of the story is that expectations for Coach Ron are uncharacteristically low. Just how much longer will KSU fans regard Snyder as a deity, anyway?
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This thread is about 2007, not 2006. In particular, it is about whether or not Coach Ron will be better than average in 2007.
Yeah, I know.
OK, I give up. What do you want me to do? Applaud your insightfulness for pointing out that Ron will show improvement from year 1 to year 2 by winning more games? Oooo. Cool analysis. Come on chum, you're better than this.
Cop out.
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The moral of the story is that expectations for Coach Ron are uncharacteristically low. Just how much longer will KSU fans regard Snyder as a deity, anyway?
I disagree. It seems like people are ready to throw Ron under the bus if he can't win 8-9 games this year, or land 4 and 5* recruits.
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The moral of the story is that expectations for Coach Ron are uncharacteristically low. Just how much longer will KSU fans regard Snyder as a deity, anyway?
I disagree. It seems like people are ready to throw Ron under the bus if he can't win 8-9 games this year, or land 4 and 5* recruits.
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0 (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0)
Six or seven wins in 2007 means that he's an average or slightly better than average coach in his first two years.
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The moral of the story is that expectations for Coach Ron are uncharacteristically low. Just how much longer will KSU fans regard Snyder as a deity, anyway?
I disagree. It seems like people are ready to throw Ron under the bus if he can't win 8-9 games this year, or land 4 and 5* recruits.
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0 (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0)
Six or seven wins in 2007 means that he's an average or slightly better than average coach in his first two years.
I'll be honest. I'll be happy with slightly better than average..
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The moral of the story is that expectations for Coach Ron are uncharacteristically low. Just how much longer will KSU fans regard Snyder as a deity, anyway?
I disagree. It seems like people are ready to throw Ron under the bus if he can't win 8-9 games this year, or land 4 and 5* recruits.
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0 (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0)
Six or seven wins in 2007 means that he's an average or slightly better than average coach in his first two years.
Progress should not be measured by wins/losses it should be measured by how you "feel" about the team's progress.
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The moral of the story is that expectations for Coach Ron are uncharacteristically low. Just how much longer will KSU fans regard Snyder as a deity, anyway?
I disagree. It seems like people are ready to throw Ron under the bus if he can't win 8-9 games this year, or land 4 and 5* recruits.
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0 (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0)
Six or seven wins in 2007 means that he's an average or slightly better than average coach in his first two years.
Progress should not be measured by wins/losses it should be measured by how you "feel" about the team's progress.
QFT
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The moral of the story is that expectations for Coach Ron are uncharacteristically low. Just how much longer will KSU fans regard Snyder as a deity, anyway?
I disagree. It seems like people are ready to throw Ron under the bus if he can't win 8-9 games this year, or land 4 and 5* recruits.
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0 (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0)
Six or seven wins in 2007 means that he's an average or slightly better than average coach in his first two years.
Progress should not be measured by wins/losses it should be measured by how you "feel" about the team's progress.
QFP
(Quoted From Phog)
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The moral of the story is that expectations for Coach Ron are uncharacteristically low. Just how much longer will KSU fans regard Snyder as a deity, anyway?
I disagree. It seems like people are ready to throw Ron under the bus if he can't win 8-9 games this year, or land 4 and 5* recruits.
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0 (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=80b015311ae7ff91c8f0c02e304a4109&topic=12564.0)
Six or seven wins in 2007 means that he's an average or slightly better than average coach in his first two years.
Progress should not be measured by wins/losses it should be measured by how you "feel" about the team's progress.
QFP
(Quoted From Phog)
QFT on the QFP
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The moral of the story is that expectations for Coach Ron are uncharacteristically low. Just how much longer will KSU fans regard Snyder as a deity, anyway?
That is such BS. The expectations for Coach Ron are ridiculously high. The expectations for Mark Mangino are uncharacteristically low.
And by the way, Bill Snyder is a deity and what does that have to do with Ron Prince's improvement this year?