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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: catsfan20012002 on May 04, 2007, 09:19:15 AM
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is going to be on "Crunch Time" on 810 during the 10:00 hour. I wonder if they'll ask him about his Spring Game performance.
:popcorn:
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i wonder if they'll ask him why he's so overrated.
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"Josh, why were you rated so high coming out of high school?"
"Josh, how do you explain your performance against ku and Rutgers?"
"Josh, how much of the blame for your troubles do you place on John Hafferty and the offensive line?"
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Josh, when you pass the ball, do you realize that you're supposed to throw the ball to your teammates?
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"Josh, you are very tall, and seem to be built well. Tell us how that automatically makes you a good quarterback."
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"Josh, its been reported that you have a rather interesting summer job... any truth to the rumors that you spend your spare time dressed in leather?"
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I hate you guys and love Josh.
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Why do you love him? Because he throws lots of int's and fumbles alot?
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He also beats Texas and leads 14 points in 2:31 comebacks
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yeah..texas. after colt went down. ku? what happened there?
he's the todd blackledge of the wildcats.
give me everage.
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Colt plays defense?
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He also beats Texas and leads 14 points in 2:31 comebacks
Finally, a voice of reason.
Don't forget 4-3 compared to 4-13 before he became starter.
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Carson Coffman will be better.
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Idiots.
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Colt plays defense?
colt throws touchdowns. and texas would have had more had he not gone down.
offense (texas') scores points. him going down is why they lost.
freeman got lucky...cause damn..he sucked in every other game. explain that.
we'll just see how well he does this year.
my guess is that he will suck ass. wager anyone?
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Colt cost UT their aTm game.
They should have played Snead.
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he hasnt done crap.
you pussies are going off of hype.
if he goes over 2,000 yards passing and in the teens for td passes..
i just might do something crazy.
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No, we are going off a 4-3 big 12 record. Which is infinitely better than the 4-13 record we suffered through with Evridge, Webb, Meier.
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Josh, how did a true freshman manage to pull off a victory against Texas when the sports analysts laughed at the possibility that KSU could even stay in the game?
I'm behind my man.
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let the texas thing GO.
what about the other games?
he is average at best.
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No, we are going off a 4-3 big 12 record. Which is infinitely better than the 4-13 record we suffered through with Evridge, Webb, Meier.
Evridge would have beaten ku.
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lol, well now that we have had that discussion did anybody actually listen to it?
GOCATS!!!
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No, we are going off a 4-3 big 12 record. Which is infinitely better than the 4-13 record we suffered through with Evridge, Webb, Meier.
Evridge would have beaten ku.
No one would have beaten ku behind that offensive line. Not even Vince Young.
Did you even watch the game?
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Oh yeah.....He also threw for 681 yards (227 yards/game) with 6 TD's and 2 INT's in the three wins (vs. Iowa State, at Colorado and vs. Texas) that got us bowl eligible (which we hadn't been in two years).
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Oh yeah.....He also threw for 681 yards (227 yards/game) with 6 TD's and 2 INT's in the three wins (vs. Iowa State, at Colorado and vs. Texas) that got us bowl eligible (which we hadn't been in two years).
cause ISU and colorado are such powerhouses.
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Oh, Chupa.
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Wait, did meier/evridge/webb beat those powerhouses the year before?
Thanks.
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let the texas thing GO.
Don't you mean that win over a Top 5 team thing?
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Oh yeah.....He also threw for 681 yards (227 yards/game) with 6 TD's and 2 INT's in the three wins (vs. Iowa State, at Colorado and vs. Texas) that got us bowl eligible (which we hadn't been in two years).
cause ISU and colorado are such powerhouses.
that got us bowl eligible (which we hadn't been in two years)
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No, we are going off a 4-3 big 12 record. Which is infinitely better than the 4-13 record we suffered through with Evridge, Webb, Meier.
Evridge would have beaten ku.
No one would have beaten ku behind that offensive line. Not even Vince Young.
Did you even watch the game?
All Evridge would have had to of done to win that game is not hand the ball or throw the ball to ku players every chance he got.
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you do realize that i like basketball better ...right?
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you do realize that i like basketball better ...right?
Oh yeah.....He also threw for 681 yards (227 yards/game) with 6 TD's and 2 INT's in the three wins (vs. Iowa State, at Colorado and vs. Texas) that got us bowl eligible (which we hadn't been in two years).
cause ISU and colorado are such powerhouses.
:billypopcorn:
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its over dude.
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Just one Kansas State Football fan trying to educate a Kansas State Basketball fan...
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It's time for tough love on Freeman.
I recall that Beamer and staff got all up in Michael Vick's grill at VT after his Soph year and told him if he didn't bear down and become more serious about being a good QB they were going to have to go another direction.
That helped Vick become a much better college QB, but not a better human being apparently.
Prince coddles Freeman too much.
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You're probably right about that. Free didn't make it onto Crunch Time today. I think he was in a dentist appointment.
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Colt plays defense?
colt throws touchdowns. and texas would have had more had he not gone down.
offense (texas') scores points. him going down is why they lost.
freeman got lucky...cause damn..he sucked in every other game. explain that.
we'll just see how well he does this year.
my guess is that he will suck ass. wager anyone?
More points??? 56 - North Texas / 52 - Rice / 56 - Sam Houston / 63 - Balyor / 42 - KSU
Colt would have had trouble scoring more than 42 on that night. Yes it was a KSU fluke for us and Freeman has been only average but he was only a Freshman. Give him another year before throwing him on top of the Cat Tracker and heading for an overpass! :tongue:
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i like basketball
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It's time for tough love on Freeman.
I recall that Beamer and staff got all up in Michael Vick's grill at VT after his Soph year and told him if he didn't bear down and become more serious about being a good QB they were going to have to go another direction.
That helped Vick become a much better college QB, but not a better human being apparently.
Prince coddles Freeman too much.
How do we know that? because he was the starter?
I understand being skeptical about Freeman still....but good god, as a true freshmen behind a TERRIBLE O-line, he won 4 conference games and got us bowl eligible, something Meier, Webb and AE could not do.
Many young QBs are known for being wildly inconsistent. I take the UT, CU, ISU and OSU performances and look with optimism for the future. Ya, he made TERRIBLE decisions in some other games and looked like a lost true frosh but how is that not somewhat expected?
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You're probably right about that. Free didn't make it onto Crunch Time today. I think he was in a dentist appointment.
prince wouldnt let him because he didnt finish his carrots last night.
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Free didn't make it onto Crunch Time today.
Speaking of Michael Vick...
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Idiots.
Man, he got us with that one!
Josh is Grbac, Carson is Gannon.
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yeah, I'd like to see some hard evidence that Prince coddles Freeman. The only thing anyone has ever mentioned is that Prince "makes excuses" for Freeman to the press. Yeah, I want another coach like Bobby Elliott who says stuff such as "Marcus Perry works hard, but he is not a Big 12 caliber player" or "Ian Campbell is going to be a good player in this league, but he is not going to be ready to play at the level we need in 2005." Do you really belive comments like that change a player's ability? Both guys have worked hard to improve and would have done so regardless of a coach's comments.
Beyond the comments to media, what has Prince done to coddle Freeman? Does he bake him oatmeal cookies and read him And Tango Makes Three every night before bedtime? Does he tell Franklin not to yell at him in practice? WTF does he do to coddle him?
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No, we are going off a 4-3 big 12 record. Which is infinitely better than the 4-13 record we suffered through with Evridge, Webb, Meier.
Tell me, during that 4-13 stretch did Rob Jackson, Moses Manu, James Johnson, Leon Patten, Cedrick Wilson, Ian Campbell, Mike Pooshke (sp?), J. Mastrud, and Josh Moore play much?
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No, we are going off a 4-3 big 12 record. Which is infinitely better than the 4-13 record we suffered through with Evridge, Webb, Meier.
Tell me, during that 4-13 stretch did Rob Jackson, Moses Manu, James Johnson, Leon Patten, Cedrick Wilson, Ian Campbell, Mike Pooshke (sp?), and Josh Moore play much?
4-13 stretch = 32 points per game given up by defense
4-3 stretch = 29 points per game given up by defense.
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No, we are going off a 4-3 big 12 record. Which is infinitely better than the 4-13 record we suffered through with Evridge, Webb, Meier.
Tell me, during that 4-13 stretch did Rob Jackson, Moses Manu, James Johnson, Leon Patten, Cedrick Wilson, Ian Campbell, Mike Pooshke (sp?), and Josh Moore play much?
4-13 stretch = 32 points per game given up by defense
4-3 stretch = 29 points per game given up by defense.
We didn't lose any close games during that stretch, so you are right. :jerkoff:
Nevermind, game changing plays on defense and offensive output.
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yup, i give the QB credit for that. (2-0 in close games)*
*more than ell roberson in three years
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yup, i give the QB credit for that. (2-0 in close games)*
*more than ell roberson in three years
So I guess Josh shouldn't get credit for the UT game because the defense was 3 points better last year than prior years...and we only beat UT by 3.
Also, AE really "beat" NU because we lost by 2, and his defense was 3 points worse than Josh.
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What are you talking about?
My only point is Freeman is 4-3 as a big 12 starter, and evridge, webb and meier went 4-13 while the defense sucked for both sets of QB's.
I only go off w's and l's. To do otherwise is to make stupid excuses.
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No, we are going off a 4-3 big 12 record. Which is infinitely better than the 4-13 record we suffered through with Evridge, Webb, Meier.
Tell me, during that 4-13 stretch did Rob Jackson, Moses Manu, James Johnson, Leon Patten, Cedrick Wilson, Ian Campbell, Mike Pooshke (sp?), and Josh Moore play much?
4-13 stretch = 32 points per game given up by defense
4-3 stretch = 29 points per game given up by defense.
Had we of been a field goal a game better in '05, we would have won 2 more games and put us at 7-4 (4-4), and in the Big 12 Championship game. That's not including the 3 point loss to CU either. 3 points is a huge difference.
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Stupid excuses like this?
4-13 stretch = 32 points per game given up by defense
4-3 stretch = 29 points per game given up by defense.
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Had we of been a field goal a game better in '05, we would have won 2 more games and put us at 7-5 (4-4), and in the Big 12 Championship game. That's not including the 3 point loss to CU either. 3 points is a huge difference.
But we weren't. We lost those games. Freeman won them.
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Stupid excuses like this?
4-13 stretch = 32 points per game given up by defense
4-3 stretch = 29 points per game given up by defense.
Huh? I was simply pointing out the defense's haven't really improved, yet our big 12 record got a sh1ton better.
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This entire conversation is stupid, and I am stupid for participating...
Josh will provide objective evidence to support either one of our positions this fall....Let's table this crap unti then.
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That Oklahoma State comeback was remarkable.
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Stupid excuses like this?
4-13 stretch = 32 points per game given up by defense
4-3 stretch = 29 points per game given up by defense.
Huh? I was simply pointing out the defense's haven't really improved, yet our big 12 record got a sh1ton better.
All I meant was that Josh's "big" win was by 3 points...and AE was deprived of his "big" win by 2 points.
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I don't know what the deal is here. Josh Freeman showed flashes of being very good (CU, UT, end of OSU) and very bad (ku, RU). I don't know why this is surprising out of true freshman playing behind a medicre offensive line and a WR corp that was decimated by injuries as the season went along. No, Freeman's freshman numbers don't jump out at you, but I can't help but feel if he gets the right players around him and continues to mature he'll be an all league player at KSU. Way too early to make any definative statements about Josh (good or bad) yet.
And on the "coddling"; yes, Prince has protected him in the media, but in no way was he coddled in practice by Prince or Franklin (they even took him out once and put Coffman in with the 1s) during the spring practices I attended.
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Had we of been a field goal a game better in '05, we would have won 2 more games and put us at 7-5 (4-4), and in the Big 12 Championship game. That's not including the 3 point loss to CU either. 3 points is a huge difference.
But we weren't. We lost those games. Freeman won them.
Just stick to the w/l argument without trying to prove it out through the defense's production. Had the defense (not the QB) been better we would have had a better w/l record. By bringing in the defense's production you aren't putting the w/l record entirely on the QB.
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Stupid excuses like this?
4-13 stretch = 32 points per game given up by defense
4-3 stretch = 29 points per game given up by defense.
Huh? I was simply pointing out the defense's haven't really improved, yet our big 12 record got a sh1ton better.
All I meant was that Josh's "big" win was by 3 points...and AE was deprived of us "big" win by 2 points.
You mean that game over the "big"time 4-4 cornhuskers?
Yeah, there is a big difference between a win and a loss.
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Jesus Fatty, you just got done posting "That Oklahoma State comeback was remarkable."
How'd OSU end up? .500
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so, do you guys PM each other to let one another know who's gonna play good cop and who's bad cop before you get all these cubs riled up?
Honestly though... we're going to need some Prince/Freeman Farks before this thread becomes entertaining.
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Jesus Fatty, you just got done posting "That Oklahoma State comeback was remarkable."
How'd OSU end up? .500
that osu win was the difference between 3-5 (sub .500 in big 12 play/mark mangino specialty) and 4-4 (legit w/l record for 1st year coach)
Huge win. down 10 with 4 minutes left on your own 10 yard line. Thanks Josh.
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No, we are going off a 4-3 big 12 record. Which is infinitely better than the 4-13 record we suffered through with Evridge, Webb, Meier.
Tell me, during that 4-13 stretch did Rob Jackson, Moses Manu, James Johnson, Leon Patten, Cedrick Wilson, Ian Campbell, Mike Pooshke (sp?), and Josh Moore play much?
4-13 stretch = 32 points per game given up by defense
4-3 stretch = 29 points per game given up by defense.
Had we of been a field goal a game better in '05, we would have won 2 more games and put us at 7-4 (4-4), and in the Big 12 Championship game. That's not including the 3 point loss to CU either. 3 points is a huge difference.
New clock rules + more ball control on offense = lower scoring
And fatty took bait. I think this is bait, anyway. I don't think anyone would honestly be dumb enough to think Freeman's true freshman season shouldn't be considered a success.
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Fatty, I am sitting here bored and waiting for a phone call. In your honor, I am popping in the OSU DVD and watching the last 5 minutes of the game. You are my hero today. :love:
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No, we are going off a 4-3 big 12 record. Which is infinitely better than the 4-13 record we suffered through with Evridge, Webb, Meier.
Tell me, during that 4-13 stretch did Rob Jackson, Moses Manu, James Johnson, Leon Patten, Cedrick Wilson, Ian Campbell, Mike Pooshke (sp?), and Josh Moore play much?
4-13 stretch = 32 points per game given up by defense
4-3 stretch = 29 points per game given up by defense.
Had we of been a field goal a game better in '05, we would have won 2 more games and put us at 7-4 (4-4), and in the Big 12 Championship game. That's not including the 3 point loss to CU either. 3 points is a huge difference.
New clock rules + more ball control on offense = lower scoring
And fatty took bait. I think this is bait, anyway. I don't think anyone would honestly be dumb enough to think Freeman's true freshman season shouldn't be considered a success.
Carson will be better.
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The quality of comments in this thread is terrible. Some people clearly don't like Freeman and will make things up like he's being coddled or go strictly by his bad performances, which if you can't see that the Oline is the at the root of his terrible games is just short sighted. If you say that Prince coddles Freeman because of some post game comments alone then I guess Pete Carroll coddles his entire team. Prince is trying to help a freshman through tough performances and keep his confidence up. What's wrong with that? A lot of coaches do that with younger players.
Freeman was a true freshman, he won us at least 2 games straight up and had a winning Big 12 record. He made some bad decisions in our losses too but you have to look at his support during those games as well. Give him some goddamn time to mature, christ! All of this complaining about a true freshman who got our losing program to a bowl game just wreaks of a spoiled fan base.
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The quality of comments in this thread is terrible. Some people clearly don't like Freeman and will make things up like he's being coddled or go strictly by his bad performances, which if you can't see that the Oline is the at the root of his terrible games is just short sighted. If you say that Prince coddles Freeman because of some post game comments alone then I guess Pete Carroll coddles his entire team. Prince is trying to help a freshman through tough performances and keep his confidence up. What's wrong with that? A lot of coaches do that with younger players.
Freeman was a true freshman, he won us at least 2 games straight up and had a winning Big 12 record. He made some bad decisions in our losses too but you have to look at his support during those games as well. Give him some goddamn time to mature, christ! All of this complaining about a true freshman who got our losing program to a bowl game just wreaks of a spoiled fan base.
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Congrats.... You've all been outed as POWERTARDS :ksu:
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Congrats.... You've all been outed as POWERTARDS :ksu:
Nice, you just saved this thread. :thumbsup:
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:blush:
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Silly cubs.....Message boards are for big boys and girls.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, all of this is stupid.
You cannot say that Freeman is a worse quarterback than what we had the two years prior to him. This was his first season out of High School. This was his first season in a college system. And the offensive line was not better last year than it was in the two years prior to then.
To say that we only beat texas because Colt got hurt is retarded. Texas scored 42 points. Colt doesn't play defense.
Josh threw some interceptions last year, and he is going to have to get better, but he's what, 19? 20? We still have 3 years of this kid, and having Carson there pushing him is only going to make him better, and more importantly only going to make us better.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, all of this is stupid.
You cannot say that Freeman is a worse quarterback than what we had the two years prior to him. This was his first season out of High School. This was his first season in a college system. And the offensive line was not better last year than it was in the two years prior to then.
To say that we only beat texas because Colt got hurt is retarded. Texas scored 42 points. Colt doesn't play defense.
Josh threw some interceptions last year, and he is going to have to get better, but he's what, 19? 20? We still have 3 years of this kid, and having Carson there pushing him is only going to make him better, and more importantly only going to make us better.
:ksu: :lol: :ksu:
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Yeah, you guys that don't like Freeman are clearly racist.
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Josh Freeman = Jamarcus Russell
But with a better phsyique :blush:
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and better hair!!! :love:
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and a worse arm :love:
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Josh Freeman = Jamarcus Russell
But with a better phsyique :blush:
Josh Freeman = Daunte Culpepper
Culpepper is 6'4" 265 and Freeman is 6'6" 238 (I think that was last year so he might even be a few pounds heavier)
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Josh Freeman = Jamarcus Russell
But with a better phsyique :blush:
Josh Freeman = Daunte Culpepper
Culpepper is 6'4" 265 and Freeman is 6'6" 238 (I think that was last year so he might even be a few pounds heavier)
Ummm......Russell is 6'6 260. So......good argument that Daunte is closer :blindfold:
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No, we are going off a 4-3 big 12 record. Which is infinitely better than the 4-13 record we suffered through with Evridge, Webb, Meier.
Also was the first KSU QB since 1996 to lose at home to NU
First to lose to MU since 1992
First to get blown out by ku since 1992
I find it difficult to believe Evridge would have melted down like Josh did against ku....
That said, he's the QB we have so I want him to have success :ksu:
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Russell is listed at 6'5" 256
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6'6 263 according to espn.com. Either way, still closer to Freeman's size than Culpepper. :nahnah:
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No, we are going off a 4-3 big 12 record. Which is infinitely better than the 4-13 record we suffered through with Evridge, Webb, Meier.
Also was the first KSU QB since 1996 to lose at home to NU
First to lose to MU since 1992
First to get blown out by ku since 1992
I find it difficult to believe Evridge would have melted down like Josh did against ku....
That said, he's the QB we have so I want him to have success :ksu:
It also took a fake field goal and a fourth and two for Nebraska to put us away, a fumble (not by Freeman) and long drive for Missouri to put us away and as far as the ku game is concerned.....Yes Freeman didn't play well but he's not responsible for giving up 201 yards to Jon Cornish.