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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: Pittcat on April 13, 2007, 08:27:14 AM
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Notre Dame and Alabama are switching to the 3-4 as well? It was on the 8 am sportscenter, I figure you all are still sleeping, or commuting. And apparently Campbell and Jackson's position, OLB/DE is known as the "jack" position in the NFL. As in, Ian's gonna jack up some QB's this season!
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Defense validated.
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Defense validated.
:ksu: :ksu: :woohoo: :woohoo: :dancin: :dancin:
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The Corn are going to put in the 3-4 as well. Not their base....yet.
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What pissed me off about the snippet on sportscenter was that Notre Dame and Alabama were the only schools mentioned that were changing to the 3-4. Not even an "among others" or anything. But when it becomes prominent we can say that it was us and the Irish that got it started. FWIW I hate being associated with Notre f'ing Dame!
As far as Cornhole goes...Callatard seems to be emulating RP more and more.
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I'm not sure about Ian Campbell playing linebacker. I've never been of fan of the 3-4 so we'll see if it gets shredded or not.
Maybe it's how poorly Colorado has run it lately that has put me off.
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As far as Cornhole goes...Callatard seems to be emulating RP more and more.
QFT
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What pissed me off about the snippet on sportscenter was that Notre Dame and Alabama were the only schools mentioned that were changing to the 3-4. Not even an "among others" or anything. But when it becomes prominent we can say that it was us and the Irish that got it started. FWIW I hate being associated with Notre f'ing Dame!
As far as Cornhole goes...Callatard seems to be emulating RP more and more.
I know what you mean, when I saw that last night I was thinking to myself, "no mention of KSU". But then I realized that we are KSU and nobody outside of us and our rivals really gives a crap about us, just the way it is.
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I know what you mean, when I saw that last night I was thinking to myself, "no mention of KSU". But then I realized that we are KSU and nobody outside of us and our rivals really gives a @#%$ about us, just the way it is.
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Can we get a sticky up to remind who are rivals are? what about the sister schools or are they the same?
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We have to kick some ass before we get any recognition. New defense will take a little adjusting but we'll do fine.
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New defense will take a little adjusting but we'll do fine.
i hope your right the thought of this 3-4 biz scares the crap out of me :onthecan:
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The thing most fans will like is that the way we are running the 3-4 is way more agressive than what we did last year. This will probably be the most agressive defense at K-State since 03. Now, what we'll have to see is if we have enough playmakers to make it work. I think we've got many of the pieces we need, my only worry is getting washed up front by big physical teams that will run right at you, but fortunately there aren't a ton of those teams left.
As for Campbell, from what I've seen he's looked great at the OLB spot. The keys right now is what kind of play we'll get from Moran (or whoever) at NG, what kind of effect Abana will have, and what kind of play we'll get from the opposite OLB spot, which right now is Childs. I think our secondary will be one of the better units we've seen in several years.
My impression in comparing to last year is that this defense will make many more "big plays" than last years, but we will probably give ups some more. Early in the year we were able to keep everything underneath in the Tampa 2 scheme, but as the year went along and injuries mounted as well as opponents finding holes on film, we gave up more and more big plays. I think for the most part the majority of fans will enjoy watching this defense.
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With Tech, Baylor, A&M, OSU, ku, and Mizzou, all running spread offenses, change was going to come sooner or later. OU also has a history of running a spread and they are recruiting big pocket qb's and just graduated Peterson.
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You can run zone using a 3-4. I'm really not worried, because our defense isn't going to get worse than it has been the last 3 years.
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Notre Dame and Alabama are switching to the 3-4 as well? It was on the 8 am sportscenter, I figure you all are still sleeping, or commuting. And apparently Campbell and Jackson's position, OLB/DE is known as the "jack" position in the NFL. As in, Ian's gonna jack up some QB's this season!
It's the new trend in the college game. For the last 5 years or so every team has been running the press 4-3 but offenses have changed a lot with all the spread attacks and the defenses are going to start changing to defend them. The good thing is I think we're the only team in the big 12 that is going to it right now so teams will have trouble preparing for it. It's good to be different you won't win big at K-State without being different. Snyder did things different and was innovative with the QB run game we have to be because we'll never have the talent to just line up and beat everyone with only talent. Even NU when they were good they were different they won't ever have the talent to line up in a WCO and win a national title against the USC's and Florida's of the world.
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is running the 3-4 really any more risky than running the 4-3 with the undersized des we've had recently?
fan - has gab crews done anything at all this spring?
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What pissed me off about the snippet on sportscenter was that Notre Dame and Alabama were the only schools mentioned that were changing to the 3-4. Not even an "among others" or anything. But when it becomes prominent we can say that it was us and the Irish that got it started. FWIW I hate being associated with Notre f'ing Dame!
As far as Cornhole goes...Callatard seems to be emulating RP more and more.
Come on man, you know we don't get mentioned on ESPN unless we've f'ed up.
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Very true, I should have known better.
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Notre Dame and Alabama are switching to the 3-4 as well? It was on the 8 am sportscenter, I figure you all are still sleeping, or commuting. And apparently Campbell and Jackson's position, OLB/DE is known as the "jack" position in the NFL. As in, Ian's gonna jack up some QB's this season!
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Stop the run. I don't care if we're in a 3-4 or a 4-3 or if we have to line up in punt block....stop the freaking run.
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I know it's not the base, but NU has run some 3-4 for a few years, most notably against TTech in 05, and MU in 06. Reports throughout spring practice had them running it abit more. Reason being, we have 4-5 LB's back with talent and a fair amount of experince ( if they can stay healthy) but have to replace the entire front four. It'll be interesting to watch KSU to see how they play it.
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I know it's not the base, but NU has run some 3-4 for a few years, most notably against TTech in 05, and MU in 06. Reports throughout spring practice had them running it abit more. Reason being, we have 4-5 LB's back with talent and a fair amount of experince ( if they can stay healthy) but have to replace the entire front four. It'll be interesting to watch KSU to see how they play it.
This brings up yet another NU fan lame nickname. Apparently NU calls their stand up end in the 3-4 the "joker". Once this was found out among the masses of Skoal chewing CornJays I probabley heard the word "joker" used every 2 minutes for about a week. Just flat out fantastic.
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What pissed me off about the snippet on sportscenter was that Notre Dame and Alabama were the only schools mentioned that were changing to the 3-4. Not even an "among others" or anything. But when it becomes prominent we can say that it was us and the Irish that got it started. FWIW I hate being associated with Notre f'ing Dame!
As far as Cornhole goes...Callatard seems to be emulating RP more and more.
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The Patriots are the ones that started this trend towards the base 3-4. However, they, like Ron Prince, didn't invent it.
Ron Prince is a fine coach, but I can assure you "Callatard" isn't looking to him for any coaching ideas, especially ones that have been around for a long, long time.
Callahan has lots of good linebackers and few d-linemen, so he is just adjusting to his strengths.
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Yeah, the 3-4 is recycled scheme that was pretty popular in the 80s then faded in the 90s as press 4-3 became popular.
If there is anything "new" defensively the last few years in HS and college football, its the 3-3 stack scheme that many teams are using to counter spread formations. It hasn't made its way to the NFL really yet though, and I'm not sure it will.
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College offenses are evolving into spreads, The more athletes on the field the better.
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College offenses are evolving into spreads, The more athletes on the field the better.
That and you create space in the defense as you spread them out. The spread option stuff, though based on some old football scheme, is fairly "new" as well. Probably one of the more inovative things in football in quite some time.
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has anyone copied leach's ol schemes yet?
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I know it's not the base, but NU has run some 3-4 for a few years, most notably against TTech in 05, and MU in 06. Reports throughout spring practice had them running it abit more. Reason being, we have 4-5 LB's back with talent and a fair amount of experince ( if they can stay healthy) but have to replace the entire front four. It'll be interesting to watch KSU to see how they play it.
This brings up yet another NU fan lame nickname. Apparently NU calls their stand up end in the 3-4 the "joker". Once this was found out among the masses of Skoal chewing CornJays I probabley heard the word "joker" used every 2 minutes for about a week. Just flat out fantastic.
I really don't care what they call him, as long as he makes plays! ;) In 06, we had several LBs hurt and saw major Culbert played waht Cosgrove called the "joker backer." Not sure if this is the same thing, cause Major played what looked like a middle lb but 8 yards off the ball. Like I said, different teams with different personel will run things a bit different.
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College offenses are evolving into spreads, The more athletes on the field the better.
That too is a big part of it. We have been recruiting cornerbacks like crazy lately--far more than we need to fill the hole we have there.
I saw a stat where last year only like 1% of the offensive plays used a two-back set. I don't know if it was correct, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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Callahan has lots of good linebackers and few d-linemen, so he is just adjusting to his strengths.
clearly you're mistaken. i have it on VERY good authority that the cornhuskers are loaded on dl, and will be among the nations best dls in 2008.
The OL and DL should be among the best in the country in 2008 so that gives Nebraska something to build around.
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Callahan has lots of good linebackers and few d-linemen, so he is just adjusting to his strengths.
clearly you're mistaken. i have it on VERY good authority that the cornhuskers are loaded on dl, and will be among the nations best dls in 2008.
The OL and DL should be among the best in the country in 2008 so that gives Nebraska something to build around.
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I must admit I don't know who Maxell is. However, he's partly mistaken: we have A great d-linemAn (singular, not plural), and some filler. Hopefully the d-line will be better by fall because right now it is pretty rough.
The O-line should* be good, barring injuries.
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I must admit I don't know who Maxell is.
Count yourself as one of the lucky ones. He is a gem to say the least.
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College offenses are evolving into spreads, The more athletes on the field the better.
That too is a big part of it. We have been recruiting cornerbacks like crazy lately--far more than we need to fill the hole we have there.
I saw a stat where last year only like 1% of the offensive plays used a two-back set. I don't know if it was correct, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Pretty much all the south teams run a ton of 1 back or 1 back exclusively. In the north, ISU ran a lot of SHotgun with Meyer, the type of qb's hawkins is recruiting leads me to believe that he will air it out more, ku has gone spread, mizzou, as well, and NU has the capability even though they ran the ball a ton last year.
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College offenses are evolving into spreads, The more athletes on the field the better.
That too is a big part of it. We have been recruiting cornerbacks like crazy lately--far more than we need to fill the hole we have there.
I saw a stat where last year only like 1% of the offensive plays used a two-back set. I don't know if it was correct, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Pretty much all the south teams run a ton of 1 back or 1 back exclusively. In the north, ISU ran a lot of SHotgun with Meyer, the type of qb's hawkins is recruiting leads me to believe that he will air it out more, ku has gone spread, mizzou, as well, and NU has the capability even though they ran the ball a ton last year.
Look for NU to largely abandon the run again this year, ala 2005. Lucky is good, but I don't think Callahan would risk as many running plays on him since he is our lone running back right now (Glenn and Wilson are injured). Our strength is in our wide receivers supposedly. (To be honest though, it seems like we just have a bunch of possession guys and no home-run threats right now. We don't have a threatening tight-end either. Whatever.)
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People making fun of KSU for recruiting small fast guys last year killed me. Our secondary is pretty much set with the ammount of guys we have recruited back there the last 2 years.
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People making fun of KSU for recruiting small fast guys last year killed me. Our secondary is pretty much set with the ammount of guys we have recruited back there the last 2 years.
I thought Prince did fine recruiting. He filled his needs, which is the most important thing, and he pulled in some real playmakers too. Considering that some of your best players are walk-ons (Campbell, Watts, etc), I'm going to go out on a limb and say Rivals isn't everything.
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People making fun of KSU for recruiting small fast guys last year killed me. Our secondary is pretty much set with the ammount of guys we have recruited back there the last 2 years.
didn't some of those kids end up not signing though?
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Notre Dame and Alabama are switching to the 3-4 as well? It was on the 8 am sportscenter, I figure you all are still sleeping, or commuting. And apparently Campbell and Jackson's position, OLB/DE is known as the "jack" position in the NFL. As in, Ian's gonna jack up some QB's this season!
I'm surprised Notre Dame didn't switch to the 3-4 as soon as Charlie Weis took over, since he was around that system with the Patriots under Belichick.