I could care less about FM's past history...the same way I felt about BH. What I find amusing in all of this is that it took the local media 379 days to find out about him. Apparently it wasn't a big deal until this past Monday for some reason. :jerkoff:
It kind of becomes a big deal when 18 years olds b*tch slap your ad and force him to hire not 1, but 2 cheaters for head coaches.
It kind of becomes a big deal when 18 years olds b*tch slap your ad and force him to hire not 1, but 2 cheaters for head coaches.
It kind of becomes a big deal when 18 years olds b*tch slap your ad and force him to hire not 1, but 2 cheaters for head coaches.
It kind of becomes a big deal when 18 years olds b*tch slap your ad and force him to hire not 1, but 2 cheaters for head coaches.
LOL - and Chalmers dad being hired on ku's coaching staff wasn't because of his son's playing ability????
LOL - and Chalmers dad being hired on ku's coaching staff wasn't because of his son's playing ability????
Don't forget about The Danny Five featuring Truck Drivin' Daddy. That one also turned into probation if I recall. What a sordid history of being found guilty of fraud and cheating....tsk..tsk.
is this message board your guys lives? do you have a life outside of following my every word
i dopnt give a @#%$ what happens really at ksu. it is just funny to see all the loser ksu fans get their panties in a bunch when i make fun of ksu. they take it so personally
yep you nailed it. hahaha. how lond till a psychological evaluation comes out on me? you guys must be psychic. you know who i am from only reading a message board!! keep the replys coming.
same as the idiots who continue to take my bait. ask stunner what the real bong is like. you wouldnt meet a nicer, happier kid than me. all of this is for fun. nothing more than fun. i dopnt give a @#%$ what happens really at ksu. hell we have lost to you guys once since 1994, and that one was a fluke. it is just funny to see all the loser ksu fans get their panties in a bunch when i make fun of ksu. they take it so personally, yet they are too dumb to realize if they dont respond, i will probabaly go away. real smart kitties.
you guys sure make yourselves look like asses. making fun of a kid who probabaly has it better off then most on this board. seriously is this message board your guys lives? do you have a life outside of following my every word and then angrily making accusations that are not only funny, but couldn't be farther from the truth. its a message board losers.
same as the idiots who continue to take my bait. ask stunner what the real bong is like. you wouldnt meet a nicer, happier kid than me. all of this is for fun. nothing more than fun. i dopnt give a @#%$ what happens really at ksu. hell we have lost to you guys once since 1994, and that one was a fluke. it is just funny to see all the loser ksu fans get their panties in a bunch when i make fun of ksu. they take it so personally, yet they are too dumb to realize if they dont respond, i will probabaly go away. real smart kitties.
You guys are either naive or you're willingly ignoring the real reasons for the fuss about Frank Martin. The fact that he had the issues at the high school in Miami, by itself, is not a big deal.
The real problem is that this guy is not qualified to be a head coach at a BCS school. If you look at his experience as an assistant at the D1 level, what you'll find is very underwhelming. So you keep looking and you get to the "impressive" part of his resume. Some pretty good success at a high school in Miami. That's still not enough to consider him qualified to be a D1 head coach at a BCS school but at least this information leads you to believe that there might be some hope for the guy.
At least until you realize that he (or others around him) cheated to obtain that success.
What it all boils down to is that it doesn't really matter whether Martin himself cheated or not. All that matters is you just hired a guy who only has one semi-impressive thing on his resume - a good run on the high school level that was tainted by accusations of cheating.
Shocker you are right. His background is questionable when it comes to his resume to be a D1 coach. However, that would be pretty irrelevant, the reason Frank Martin is a story is b/c of Michael Beasley and Billy Walker and to some extent Sutton. This would not be an issue if K-State didn't have talent coming in.
You guys are either naive or you're willingly ignoring the real reasons for the fuss about Frank Martin. The fact that he had the issues at the high school in Miami, by itself, is not a big deal.
The real problem is that this guy is not qualified to be a head coach at a BCS school. If you look at his experience as an assistant at the D1 level, what you'll find is very underwhelming. So you keep looking and you get to the "impressive" part of his resume. Some pretty good success at a high school in Miami. That's still not enough to consider him qualified to be a D1 head coach at a BCS school but at least this information leads you to believe that there might be some hope for the guy.
At least until you realize that he (or others around him) cheated to obtain that success.
What it all boils down to is that it doesn't really matter whether Martin himself cheated or not. All that matters is you just hired a guy who only has one semi-impressive thing on his resume - a good run on the high school level that was tainted by accusations of cheating.
Shocker you are right. His background is questionable when it comes to his resume to be a D1 coach. However, that would be pretty irrelevant, the reason Frank Martin is a story is b/c of Michael Beasley and Billy Walker and to some extent Sutton. This would not be an issue if K-State didn't have talent coming in.
You guys are either naive or you're willingly ignoring the real reasons for the fuss about Frank Martin. The fact that he had the issues at the high school in Miami, by itself, is not a big deal.
The real problem is that this guy is not qualified to be a head coach at a BCS school. If you look at his experience as an assistant at the D1 level, what you'll find is very underwhelming. So you keep looking and you get to the "impressive" part of his resume. Some pretty good success at a high school in Miami. That's still not enough to consider him qualified to be a D1 head coach at a BCS school but at least this information leads you to believe that there might be some hope for the guy.
At least until you realize that he (or others around him) cheated to obtain that success.
What it all boils down to is that it doesn't really matter whether Martin himself cheated or not. All that matters is you just hired a guy who only has one semi-impressive thing on his resume - a good run on the high school level that was tainted by accusations of cheating.
You're absolutely right. If KSU did not have all this talent coming in Martin never would have even been considered for the head coaching position.
To hire the equivalent of Doc Sadler, give him pretty much zero talent for the future (Hoskins, Stew, Young all SRs) and then put him a year behind pretty much every other program besides CU would be more risky IMO than what we did.
The guy knows the game, knows how to teach the game, has recruiting ties and coached under one of the most successful coaches in the game for a couple years. Do you think he just needs more years under his collegiate belt to be ready? I don't get it.
You're absolutely right. If KSU did not have all this talent coming in Martin never would have even been considered for the head coaching position.
And you're missing the point. The toughest part about being a successful D-I coach is delivering the talent necessary to compete at the highest levels. Martin has proven that he can do that in spades so why shouldn't he get a shot? The Big XII has a few coaches who couldn't coach their way out of a paper bag but who manage to meet with some success because they're lights out recruiters.
You're absolutely right. If KSU did not have all this talent coming in Martin never would have even been considered for the head coaching position.
And you're missing the point. The toughest part about being a successful D-I coach is delivering the talent necessary to compete at the highest levels. Martin has proven that he can do that in spades so why shouldn't he get a shot? The Big XII has a few coaches who couldn't coach their way out of a paper bag but who manage to meet with some success because they're lights out recruiters.
Did I miss something? Who is Martin responsible for bringing in? Colon and Bennett? Who else?
Also, at a charity function, Martin pointed out a reporter who wrote a derogatory article about him to some of his friends in what sounds like may have been a threatening nature.
Martin retained Hill, between the two of them they're responsible for bringing in the #1 class in the country. When's the last time the #1 class in the nation (including the #1 player in the natio) was headed to KSU? We'll see how well Martin recruits in future years but for the moment, judged solely on incoming talent, his connections would appear to be better than those of any other coach in the nation, no?
if i didn't think martin would continue to recruit better talent than we've had in the past (not necessarily grcoat tho) i wouldn't have supported the hire.
if i didn't think martin would continue to recruit better talent than we've had in the past (not necessarily grcoat tho) i wouldn't have supported the hire.
I understand that. What I don't understand is why you think Martin will have success in bringing in top notch talent. What has he done to lead you to believe that he is capable of doing so?
Did I miss something? Who is Martin responsible for bringing in? Colon and Bennett? Who else?
if i didn't think martin would continue to recruit better talent than we've had in the past (not necessarily grcoat tho) i wouldn't have supported the hire.
I understand that. What I don't understand is why you think Martin will have success in bringing in top notch talent. What has he done to lead you to believe that he is capable of doing so?
He has established connections with High School basketball in Florida, especially Miami, Florida AAU ball, and Florida JUCOs. Though he didn't live up to the hype of being the #8 JUCO player last year, Martin is credited with bringing in Blake Young as well as Colon. Was a major player in bringing in Fred Brown from this year's class. Also did some of the recruiting of Jason Bennett and Bill Walker (though we know that was mainly Huggs).
You're absolutely right. If KSU did not have all this talent coming in Martin never would have even been considered for the head coaching position.
And you're missing the point. The toughest part about being a successful D-I coach is delivering the talent necessary to compete at the highest levels. Martin has proven that he can do that in spades so why shouldn't he get a shot? The Big XII has a few coaches who couldn't coach their way out of a paper bag but who manage to meet with some success because they're lights out recruiters.
You're absolutely right. If KSU did not have all this talent coming in Martin never would have even been considered for the head coaching position.
And you're missing the point. The toughest part about being a successful D-I coach is delivering the talent necessary to compete at the highest levels. Martin has proven that he can do that in spades so why shouldn't he get a shot? The Big XII has a few coaches who couldn't coach their way out of a paper bag but who manage to meet with some success because they're lights out recruiters.
Seriously, who has Frank Martin brought into Northeastern, Cincy, or KSU that would make him some sort of great recruiter? Remember, Walker came with Huggins and Beasley was going to go wherever Dalonte Hill went.
You're absolutely right. If KSU did not have all this talent coming in Martin never would have even been considered for the head coaching position.
And you're missing the point. The toughest part about being a successful D-I coach is delivering the talent necessary to compete at the highest levels. Martin has proven that he can do that in spades so why shouldn't he get a shot? The Big XII has a few coaches who couldn't coach their way out of a paper bag but who manage to meet with some success because they're lights out recruiters.
Seriously, who has Frank Martin brought into Northeastern, Cincy, or KSU that would make him some sort of great recruiter? Remember, Walker came with Huggins and Beasley was going to go wherever Dalonte Hill went.
QuoteHere's how bad the Duquesne job has become: The school is about to hire Ron Everhart of Northeastern. Understand two things about Everhart: One, he didn't start winning at Northeastern until he hired an assistant coach from Miami named Frank Martin, at which point Martin began delivering players like Jose Juan Barea -- at which point Northeastern began to win.
http://www.sportsline.com/columns/weblogs/entry/8450/032006
Seriously, who has Frank Martin brought into Northeastern, Cincy, or KSU that would make him some sort of great recruiter? Remember, Walker came with Huggins and Beasley was going to go wherever Dalonte Hill went.
Attn: Haters
1) Look up Jamie Dixon's resume at the time he was hired by Pitt.
2) Compare to Frank Martin's
3) STFU
Kansas State: Former Cincinnati assistant Frank Martin had a choice -- follow former boss Bob Huggins to Kansas State, or follow Andy Kennedy to Ole Miss -- and Martin chose Huggins and the Wildcats. Martin is one of the country's most effective recruiters of South Florida.
Attn: Haters
1) Look up Jamie Dixon's resume at the time he was hired by Pitt.
2) Compare to Frank Martin's
3) STFU
Seriously, who has Frank Martin brought into Northeastern, Cincy, or KSU that would make him some sort of great recruiter? Remember, Walker came with Huggins and Beasley was going to go wherever Dalonte Hill went.
Fred Brown & Jacob Pullen
Dixon's Resume:
Coach, Los Angeles Valley Junior College, 1989-91; Assistant Coach, University of California-Santa Barbara, 1991-92; Assistant Coach, University of Hawaii, 1992-94; Assistant Coach, Northern Arizona University, 1994-98; Assistant Coach, University of Hawaii, 1998-99; Associate Head Coach, University of Pittsburgh, 1999-2003
Dixon has been a coach on the D1 level since 1991. He was the Associate Head Coach at Pitt for 4 years before being named head coach. LOL at Rusty for trying to compare Dixon and Martin.
Drunko,
Please, no more posting in my thread. You are just not very smart, and you bring the level of discussion way, way down.
Attn: Haters
1) Look up Jamie Dixon's resume at the time he was hired by Pitt.
2) Compare to Frank Martin's
3) STFU
So you have about a 1 in 100 shot that Frank Martin becomes Jamie Dixon. Fair enough. Because seriously, Jamie Dixon is about the only guy that has a resume even close to as bare as what Frank Martin has that has had success at a big time level. Dixon coached under Howland for years though. Martin coached under Huggy(not as good as Howland) for 2 years.
And really, you are bringing me Jose Juan Barea as the evidence that Frank Martin is a big time recruiter at a Big 12 level? LOL.
Drunko,
Please, no more posting in my thread. You are just not very smart, and you bring the level of discussion way, way down.
Other than me assuming that Rusty knew what he was talking about with regards to Jamie Dixon, which posts of mine in this thread are off base in your opinion?
Maybe you can cry to the mods and try to get me banned. That is all you are good for.
Attn: Haters
1) Look up Jamie Dixon's resume at the time he was hired by Pitt.
2) Compare to Frank Martin's
3) STFU
So you have about a 1 in 100 shot that Frank Martin becomes Jamie Dixon. Fair enough. Because seriously, Jamie Dixon is about the only guy that has a resume even close to as bare as what Frank Martin has that has had success at a big time level. Dixon coached under Howland for years though. Martin coached under Huggy(not as good as Howland) for 2 years.
And really, you are bringing me Jose Juan Barea as the evidence that Frank Martin is a big time recruiter at a Big 12 level? LOL.
Dixon's Resume:
Coach, Los Angeles Valley Junior College, 1989-91; Assistant Coach, University of California-Santa Barbara, 1991-92; Assistant Coach, University of Hawaii, 1992-94; Assistant Coach, Northern Arizona University, 1994-98; Assistant Coach, University of Hawaii, 1998-99; Associate Head Coach, University of Pittsburgh, 1999-2003
Dixon has been a coach on the D1 level since 1991. He was the Associate Head Coach at Pitt for 4 years before being named head coach. LOL at Rusty for trying to compare Dixon and Martin.
Attn: Haters
1) Look up Jamie Dixon's resume at the time he was hired by Pitt.
2) Compare to Frank Martin's
3) STFU
So you have about a 1 in 100 shot that Frank Martin becomes Jamie Dixon. Fair enough. Because seriously, Jamie Dixon is about the only guy that has a resume even close to as bare as what Frank Martin has that has had success at a big time level. Dixon coached under Howland for years though. Martin coached under Huggy(not as good as Howland) for 2 years.
And really, you are bringing me Jose Juan Barea as the evidence that Frank Martin is a big time recruiter at a Big 12 level? LOL.
LOL Juan Jose Barea plays for the Dallas Mavericks. How many Big 12 teams wouldn't take a NBA point guard? I'm embarassed for you.
I just wanted to thank Rusty for solidifying my argument by introducing Jaime Dixon into the discussion. Dixon, who was a somewhat questionable hire by Pitt at the time, started coaching D1 ball in 1991.
Frank Martin didn't start coaching HIGH SCHOOL ball until 1993.
I just wanted to thank Rusty for solidifying my argument by introducing Jaime Dixon into the discussion. Dixon, who was a somewhat questionable hire by Pitt at the time, started coaching D1 ball in 1991.
Frank Martin didn't start coaching HIGH SCHOOL ball until 1993.
I know he plays for the Mavs. He averages 4 minutes per game in 30 games played this season. And while I'm sure Barea is a fine player and he turned into a very good player, he wasn't some heralded recruit? Who were the other schools fighting over the services of Barea?
I just wanted to thank Rusty for solidifying my argument by introducing Jaime Dixon into the discussion. Dixon, who was a somewhat questionable hire by Pitt at the time, started coaching D1 ball in 1991.
Frank Martin didn't start coaching HIGH SCHOOL ball until 1993.
Which means what?
QuoteMartin retained Hill, between the two of them they're responsible for bringing in the #1 class in the country. When's the last time the #1 class in the nation (including the #1 player in the natio) was headed to KSU? We'll see how well Martin recruits in future years but for the moment, judged solely on incoming talent, his connections would appear to be better than those of any other coach in the nation, no?
No. You can't give too much credit to Martin for bringing in the number 1 recruiting class because we all know that Hill and Huggins had a hell of a lot more to do with that then Martin did.
It means you have the most underqualified coach in regards to resume to get a job in a BCS conference in recent memory.
The head coach and assistant head coach have a combined 11 years of college coaching experience. Both are considered recruiters. It's an unprecidented move for a high major school to put one of the revenue sports in the hands of guys that are such unknowns.
Rusty has already shown the resumes of the coaches and you somehow have managed to add a slant to it the goes against the facts.I just wanted to thank Rusty for solidifying my argument by introducing Jaime Dixon into the discussion. Dixon, who was a somewhat questionable hire by Pitt at the time, started coaching D1 ball in 1991.
Frank Martin didn't start coaching HIGH SCHOOL ball until 1993.
Which means what?
It means you have the most underqualified coach in regards to resume to get a job in a BCS conference in recent memory.
The head coach and assistant head coach have a combined 11 years of college coaching experience. Both are considered recruiters. It's an unprecidented move for a high major school to put one of the revenue sports in the hands of guys that are such unknowns.
Attn: Haters
1) Look up Jamie Dixon's resume at the time he was hired by Pitt.
2) Compare to Frank Martin's
3) STFU
So you have about a 1 in 100 shot that Frank Martin becomes Jamie Dixon. Fair enough. Because seriously, Jamie Dixon is about the only guy that has a resume even close to as bare as what Frank Martin has that has had success at a big time level. Dixon coached under Howland for years though. Martin coached under Huggy(not as good as Howland) for 2 years.
And really, you are bringing me Jose Juan Barea as the evidence that Frank Martin is a big time recruiter at a Big 12 level? LOL.
LOL Juan Jose Barea plays for the Dallas Mavericks. How many Big 12 teams wouldn't take a NBA point guard? I'm embarassed for you.
I know he plays for the Mavs. He averages 4 minutes per game in 30 games played this season. And while I'm sure Barea is a fine player and he turned into a very good player, he wasn't some heralded recruit. Who were the other schools fighting over the services of Barea?
Jamie Dixon is about the only guy that has a resume even close to as bare as what Frank Martin has that has had success at a big time level. Dixon coached under Howland for years though. Martin coached under Huggy(not as good as Howland) for 2 years.
It means you have the most underqualified coach in regards to resume to get a job in a BCS conference in recent memory.
The head coach and assistant head coach have a combined 11 years of college coaching experience. Both are considered recruiters. It's an unprecidented move for a high major school to put one of the revenue sports in the hands of guys that are such unknowns.
He also happens to have the best initial recruiting class of any first-year BCS coach in recent memory. Nice.
I wouldn't trade Michael Beasley, Bill Walker, or Dom Sutton for a couple years on the the bench in the "Thunderdome".
It means you have the most underqualified coach in regards to resume to get a job in a BCS conference in recent memory.
The head coach and assistant head coach have a combined 11 years of college coaching experience. Both are considered recruiters. It's an unprecidented move for a high major school to put one of the revenue sports in the hands of guys that are such unknowns.
He also happens to have the best initial recruiting class of any first-year BCS coach in recent memory. Nice.
I wouldn't trade Michael Beasley, Bill Walker, or Dom Sutton for a couple years on the the bench in the "Thunderdome".
First, I enjoy how you guys act like Sutton is some great recruit that is even close to Beasley or Walker. Second, it's funny that you think that Martin's lack of experience doesn't matter.
We'll see what happens. It'll be interesting.
First, I enjoy how you guys act like Sutton is some great recruit that is even close to Beasley or Walker. Second, it's funny that you think that Martin's lack of experience doesn't matter.
We'll see what happens. It'll be interesting.
Attn: Haters
1) Look up Jamie Dixon's resume at the time he was hired by Pitt.
2) Compare to Frank Martin's
3) STFU
So you have about a 1 in 100 shot that Frank Martin becomes Jamie Dixon. Fair enough. Because seriously, Jamie Dixon is about the only guy that has a resume even close to as bare as what Frank Martin has that has had success at a big time level. Dixon coached under Howland for years though. Martin coached under Huggy(not as good as Howland) for 2 years.
And really, you are bringing me Jose Juan Barea as the evidence that Frank Martin is a big time recruiter at a Big 12 level? LOL.
LOL Juan Jose Barea plays for the Dallas Mavericks. How many Big 12 teams wouldn't take a NBA point guard? I'm embarassed for you.
I know he plays for the Mavs. He averages 4 minutes per game in 30 games played this season. And while I'm sure Barea is a fine player and he turned into a very good player, he wasn't some heralded recruit. Who were the other schools fighting over the services of Barea?
Who cares? Recruiting is more than just looking up the Rivals list and fighting with Kentucky and Duke for the big dogs. If Martin can bring in a guy that will be an NBA player, even a scrub in the NBA, why on earth do I care who else was after him? Finding the diamonds in the rough is part of recruiting too. It wasn't like he was a project or something. He started every game since day 1 at Northeastern.
The coaching carousel is like the roulette wheel:
It. Has. No. Memory.
Arguing about Jamie Dixon at Pitt, or any other
coach who has succeeded (or failed) will have
no impact on how Frank Martin does at K-State.
you guys sure make yourselves look like asses. making fun of a kid who probabaly has it better off then most on this board. seriously is this message board your guys lives? do you have a life outside of following my every word and then angrily making accusations that are not only funny, but couldn't be farther from the truth. its a message board losers.
I just wanted to thank Rusty for solidifying my argument by introducing Jaime Dixon into the discussion. Dixon, who was a somewhat questionable hire by Pitt at the time, started coaching D1 ball in 1991.
Frank Martin didn't start coaching HIGH SCHOOL ball until 1993.
Which means what?
You guys sure make yourselves look like asses by making fun of a kid who probabaly has it better off than most on this board. Seriously, is this message board you guys' lives? Do you have a life outside of following my every word and then angrily making accusations that are not only funny, and couldn't be farther from the truth? It's a message board, losers.
It means that Dixon had a @#%$load more D1 coaching experience than Martin when they each were promoted to head coach. Rusty was arguing that Dixon was successful despite his lack of experience. I countered by pointing out that Dixon looked like seasoned veteran compared to Martin's resume.
Next time try actually reading the thread before chiming in.
I just wanted to thank Rusty for solidifying my argument by introducing Jaime Dixon into the discussion. Dixon, who was a somewhat questionable hire by Pitt at the time, started coaching D1 ball in 1991.
Frank Martin didn't start coaching HIGH SCHOOL ball until 1993.
Which means what?
It means that Dixon had a @#%$load more D1 coaching experience than Martin when they each were promoted to head coach. Rusty was arguing that Dixon was successful despite his lack of experience. I countered by pointing out that Dixon looked like seasoned veteran compared to Martin's resume.
Next time try actually reading the thread before chiming in.