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Kansas State Basketball / Re: Claws Foot
« Last post by schreds21 on Today at 03:23:23 PM »
In addition to paying off and sweeping attempted murder under the rug, fuckface also ruined the player who is this hillbilly fanbase's wet dream
What did oscar do to Jordy?
The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Is it really racism...
« Last post by steve dave on Today at 03:22:56 PM »
mostly unrelated anecdote that i want to tell anyway:

scene: me, in mexico, being introduced to a friend of a friend of a friend.

friend - this is whatever he name was.
him - hello, everyone calls me "el negro".
me - hello, i'm sys.
him, proud of his knowledge of colloquial american english - you would call me "the n-word".
me, internally - uh, no.  no i would not.
me, externally - mejor hablamos en espanol.


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Other Sports (Tiger's Back) / Re: KSU Booze Cats 2015
« Last post by bucket on Today at 03:14:08 PM »
Today it is bein reported one of the Russian connected guys at the Trump Jr. Meeting was closely connected to the owner of GPS Fusion, Glenn Simpson.  Fusion wrote the fake dossier.  Simpson is married to Mary Jocoby.  It was reported in 2016, "On April 10, 2016, Mary Jacoby showed up on White House visitor logs, meeting with President Obama and his top officials, and she doesn’t leave for 14 hours.
That same month, April 2016, the Clinton Campaign and DNC hired Fusion-GPS to organize the Russia research, which later became known as the bogus “Russian dossier.” Mary Jacoby is the wife of Fusion-GPS head Glenn Simpson."

Oignorant is disappointing me.  He seems to be very knowledgeable.
Lol. Dunk city!

The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Is it really racism...
« Last post by Dlew12 on Today at 03:01:20 PM »
Why do you think use of the word is so socially unacceptable for white people?
I think the idea is that because white people generally used that word with hatred for generations, it's easy for listeners to mistakenly assume that every time a white person uses it they say it with some level of hatred.  many times those assumptions are correct, other times they're not.

Rather than clarify your intentions via a conversation as complicated as the one we're having now, i think we've collectively decided that it's socially better to self-censor. 

so you allow yourself to carry a different moral burden than minorities in this respect
how did you get to that conclusion? we were speaking about social norms.

Yeah, after a second read I realized you don't really care if/how/why a minority might find it immoral or offensive to hear a white person use that word, you just don't want to have a conversation to explain to minorities why they shouldn't be offended when you say it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're just saying you're comfortable following a different social order/norm than minorities and you consider that to be completely separate from having a different moral burden? (Perhaps you aren't comfortable with this social agreement, again correct me if I'm wrong)

Basically, yes.

But I'd be interested in hearing why black people don't like hearing white people say the word.  I already gave my assumption of the reason (i.e. thinking that its use denotes some level of negative attitude toward black people on the part of the speaker).  I'm willing to accept that there could be some other reason for a black person to dislike when a white person says it but not mind when a black person says it.  I just don't know what it is.

Again, I'm drawing a distinction between using the word with an intention to degrade the listener or black people in general (morally wrong) and using the word with no odious intention (morally neutral).  But I think virtually every use of the word by a white person breaks social norms or decorum, as sys put it.   
Good for him.
Essentially Flyertalk / Re: 201* Concert Thread
« Last post by steve dave on Today at 02:52:26 PM »
have tickets, thanks for looking out!  still pissed about the FJM spat / cancelled red rocks show last summer

I'm gonna blame Ryan Adams for the spat

FJM is at the Omaha festival this year.

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: LOL TRUMP
« Last post by steve dave on Today at 02:50:11 PM »

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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Is it really racism...
« Last post by michigancat on Today at 02:43:19 PM »

FWIW, I think this particular "social norm" (whites using the n-word in public) and "morals" are completely interconnected. You wouldn't have this "social norm" if society hadn't agreed that the word was (and still is) used as a tool for hate and that using tools for hate is immoral.

that's ridiculous.  societies have reams of words they consider inappropriate or appropriate depending on context, and morality or ethics is almost never even a part of the equation.  you're thinking of decorum.

For sure that's why I said "this particular social norm"
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