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« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2011, 12:00:47 PM »
Liberals are by their very nature fascist.  This is common knowledge and quite obvious to even the untrained eye.

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« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2011, 03:53:05 PM »
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« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2011, 04:01:59 PM »
Dear conservative retards:
If Mein Kampf is one of your favorite books to read and you worry about currency manipulations you are not a liberal. 

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Sorry, but fascism is a variant form of socialism/communism.  Back around the 30s and 40s communists hate fascists because they are sell outs who are no longer ideologically pure, while fascists hated communists/socialists for being stubborn d-bags who weren't willing to adjust their methodologies to achieve the goal.  The same goal both sides held - create a workers' paradise.

Hope that cleared that one up for you.  If you need further, more in depth explanation, let me know.
please rough ridin' tell me that you have never been to a polsci class at kansas state?  please tell me you aren't college educated and that you are some townie who "grew up loving ksu".   OMFG this is one of the dumbest rough ridin' things ever posted in bbs history.  Its well beyond usual goEMAW posts for trolling purposes.
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« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2011, 04:02:58 PM »
Liberals are by their very nature fascist.  This is common knowledge and quite obvious to even the untrained eye.

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fascism (?fæ??z?m) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]
 
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1.     any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism

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« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2011, 04:11:33 PM »
nuts don't bring facts in here. Next I would like them to explain to me how Leninism and Stalinism are the same as Marxism or Communism. 

God damn this board is getting bad.  Fitz would love the type of lock step support AZ gets on this board.
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« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2011, 04:28:46 PM »

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« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2011, 04:49:06 PM »
Not very "right winged" sounding, more progressive sounding w/o the overt "we'll decide what's best for you, because we know what's best".

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Fascism emerged first in France in the 1880s as an intellectual movement that absorbed and synthesised socialism and nationalism and created a new ideology of "a socialism without the proletariat".[146]

Fascism is based upon a number of ideologies from across the political spectrum. Benito Mussolini had a strong attachment to the works of Plato.[147] In The Republic (c. 380 BCE), Plato advocated a system of elite minority rule by highly educated, intellectual rulers called philosopher kings, who were allowed to exercise total control over the politics and security of a society. This argument has been considered an inspiration for fascism's promotion of elite rule by a supreme leader and a single-party state.[148] Similarly, Vilfredo Pareto's endorsement of an elite minority-led oligarchical government was an influence on fascists.[149] Mussolini and Margherita Sarfatti identified Plato and Pareto as the sources of fascism's constantly changing character.[150] They claimed that movement and correction of flaws in ideas renews an ideology and keeps it from becoming corrupt or outdated.[150]

Regardless, I don't think Fascism fits the Right-Left continuum of American Politics. 

As stated above:  Liberals and commies use elements of fascism in to achieve their political ends. 

If you're a polysci major, you might try supplementing those classes with some History classes and then APPLY what you've learned.  It ought to be very "eye-opening".

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« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2011, 05:30:31 PM »
Remember Jim David Adkisson...shot up a church a couple of years ago...left behind a letter

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This was a symbolic killing. Who I wanted to kill was every Democrat in the Senate & House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book. I'd like to kill everyone in the mainstream media. But I know those people were inaccessible to me. I couldn't get to the generals & high ranking officers of the Marxist movement so I went after the foot soldiers, the chickenshit liberals that vote in these traitorous people. Someone had to get the ball rolling. I volunteered. I hope others do the same. It's the only way we can rid America of this cancerous pestilence.

sounds like another liberal facist commie to me



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« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2011, 05:51:22 PM »
Sorry, ednksu.  Apparently the historical roots of fascism aren't that important to you (of course, those roots only help define what it is).  Yes, I should have included the internationalism vs. nationalism aspects of each (fascism utilized nationalism for its goals, communism, by original ideology was/is internationalist, though when push came to shove, for the sake of survival, we saw the Soviet Union and their centrally planned socialism become very nationalist in its message to garner support from the masses during WWII.  Even as it returned to more of an "internationalist" message once the war was in hand, the Soviets still remained nationalistic in that they believed their leadership should dominate the world wide movement).

Yes, many have called fascism conservative in nature, as I noted especially commies, for to them it is.  However, the push to claim fascism is conservative as Americans understand conservatism and liberalism by their experience it is anything but.  In practical form, the U.S. itself has been fascist in nature for decades in regard to its economy (light in nature, though turning more of so as late).

Now, you can rant all you want.  However, you might want to do some reading.  Learn a little bit about Il Duce and his beliefs.  Examine how he was regarded in the U.S. into the latter 1930s.  See what the media had to say about him.  Our political leaders.  You will be surprised.

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« Reply #59 on: January 11, 2011, 05:55:52 PM »
Not very "right winged" sounding, more progressive sounding w/o the overt "we'll decide what's best for you, because we know what's best".

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Fascism emerged first in France in the 1880s as an intellectual movement that absorbed and synthesised socialism and nationalism and created a new ideology of "a socialism without the proletariat".[146]

Fascism is based upon a number of ideologies from across the political spectrum. Benito Mussolini had a strong attachment to the works of Plato.[147] In The Republic (c. 380 BCE), Plato advocated a system of elite minority rule by highly educated, intellectual rulers called philosopher kings, who were allowed to exercise total control over the politics and security of a society. This argument has been considered an inspiration for fascism's promotion of elite rule by a supreme leader and a single-party state.[148] Similarly, Vilfredo Pareto's endorsement of an elite minority-led oligarchical government was an influence on fascists.[149] Mussolini and Margherita Sarfatti identified Plato and Pareto as the sources of fascism's constantly changing character.[150] They claimed that movement and correction of flaws in ideas renews an ideology and keeps it from becoming corrupt or outdated.[150]

Regardless, I don't think Fascism fits the Right-Left continuum of American Politics. 

As stated above:  Liberals and commies use elements of fascism in to achieve their political ends. 

If you're a polysci major, you might try supplementing those classes with some History classes and then APPLY what you've learned.  It ought to be very "eye-opening".

if you fact checked this you would know who ever edited the wiki page led you right into the current teaparty trap about obama/fascism/socialism.  The book includes socialism in the construction of fascism only because it is anti laissez fair economics.  The citation notes that idea is further borrowed from other works/historians.  You are now trying to use a misinterpreted definition with at least 3 degree of separation. 
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« Reply #60 on: January 11, 2011, 06:09:12 PM »
Not very "right winged" sounding, more progressive sounding w/o the overt "we'll decide what's best for you, because we know what's best".

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Fascism emerged first in France in the 1880s as an intellectual movement that absorbed and synthesised socialism and nationalism and created a new ideology of "a socialism without the proletariat".[146]

Fascism is based upon a number of ideologies from across the political spectrum. Benito Mussolini had a strong attachment to the works of Plato.[147] In The Republic (c. 380 BCE), Plato advocated a system of elite minority rule by highly educated, intellectual rulers called philosopher kings, who were allowed to exercise total control over the politics and security of a society. This argument has been considered an inspiration for fascism's promotion of elite rule by a supreme leader and a single-party state.[148] Similarly, Vilfredo Pareto's endorsement of an elite minority-led oligarchical government was an influence on fascists.[149] Mussolini and Margherita Sarfatti identified Plato and Pareto as the sources of fascism's constantly changing character.[150] They claimed that movement and correction of flaws in ideas renews an ideology and keeps it from becoming corrupt or outdated.[150]

Regardless, I don't think Fascism fits the Right-Left continuum of American Politics. 

As stated above:  Liberals and commies use elements of fascism in to achieve their political ends. 

If you're a polysci major, you might try supplementing those classes with some History classes and then APPLY what you've learned.  It ought to be very "eye-opening".

if you fact checked this you would know who ever edited the wiki page led you right into the current teaparty trap about obama/fascism/socialism.  The book includes socialism in the construction of fascism only because it is anti laissez fair economics.  The citation notes that idea is further borrowed from other works/historians.  You are now trying to use a misinterpreted definition with at least 3 degree of separation. 


Regardless, I don't think Fascism fits the Right-Left continuum of American Politics. 

As stated above:  Liberals and commies use elements of fascism in to achieve their political ends. 

If you're a polysci major, you might try supplementing those classes with some History classes and then APPLY what you've learned.  It ought to be very "eye-opening".

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« Reply #61 on: January 11, 2011, 06:09:53 PM »
Sorry, ednksu.  Apparently the historical roots of fascism aren't that important to you (of course, those roots only help define what it is).  Yes, I should have included the internationalism vs. nationalism aspects of each (fascism utilized nationalism for its goals, communism, by original ideology was/is internationalist, though when push came to shove, for the sake of survival, we saw the Soviet Union and their centrally planned socialism become very nationalist in its message to garner support from the masses during WWII.  Even as it returned to more of an "internationalist" message once the war was in hand, the Soviets still remained nationalistic in that they believed their leadership should dominate the world wide movement).

Yes, many have called fascism conservative in nature, as I noted especially commies, for to them it is.  However, the push to claim fascism is conservative as Americans understand conservatism and liberalism by their experience it is anything but.  In practical form, the U.S. itself has been fascist in nature for decades in regard to its economy (light in nature, though turning more of so as late).

Now, you can rant all you want.  However, you might want to do some reading.  Learn a little bit about Il Duce and his beliefs.  Examine how he was regarded in the U.S. into the latter 1930s.  See what the media had to say about him.  Our political leaders.  You will be surprised.
to even suggest that the US is fascist in economic principles is academically dishonest and borderline delusional.  The US has no state control production mandates in anything comparable to any fascist regime.  As noted in that horrid definition from the Wikipedia page the point of fascism is the rejection of laissez fair economics.  You are still able to start any business you want without having to report to a national bureau or syndicate which controls that job/workforce.  

One of the many ways the soviets (lenin and stalin) diverged from the actual communist frame work is their over indulgence of nationalism in the East v West cold war.  Soviets were not communist and were their own special brand of socialists.  The comparison becomes moot once the realization is made that soviets did not care about actual communism and were more concerned with the politbureau's own power.  




I tend to believe that instead of plotting political philosophies on a line segment they should be plotted on a hoop or circle.  As you look at the 'front' of the circle the far left and right are communism and fascism respectively. Socialism, Republican, Democrat plotting closer to center from their sides.  However on the 'back of the hoop' philosophies like Leninism, Stalinism, Nazism and so forth begin to round the bend from their ideological beginnings and will actually approach each other on the back side getting closer in ideology and method.  At the back of the circle or hoop message mean nothing, its an authoritarian rule based on centralized power where terror is used instead of discourse.  
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« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2011, 07:10:39 PM »
This is a terrible thread. Dude was plain nuts, he wasn't a "lib" or a crazy "right winger". But keep trying to say he was one or the other, it's just going to make more people like him do the same crap.

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« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2011, 07:15:16 PM »
I'll really stir this pot... have fun with !

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« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2011, 07:17:14 PM »
Way to take a thread about a terrible tragedy, commited by an obviously sick individual, and turn it into a giant pillow fight.  Half the problem with this country is retards like you guys who immediately turn every situation into a partisian pissing contest while completely ignoring the actual events.  eff you retards, eff your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) parents, and eff your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) kids.

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« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2011, 07:49:10 PM »
Way to take a thread about a terrible tragedy, commited by an obviously sick individual, and turn it into a giant pillow fight.  Half the problem with this country is retards like you guys who immediately turn every situation into a partisian pissing contest while completely ignoring the actual events.  eff you retards, eff your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) parents, and eff your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) kids.

jtksu with a great post! :horrorsurprise:

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« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2011, 08:16:28 PM »
Uh oh, turns out the kid really, really like Drowning Pool's "Let the bodies hit the floor". Right now media outlets are tripping over themselves trying to break down the song and it's "true" meaning.

Didn't we already go through this "evil music" thing back in 1998-99?  :facepalm: x 1000000

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« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2011, 08:36:03 PM »
what JT said.
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« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2011, 09:21:52 PM »
Uh oh, turns out the kid really, really like Drowning Pool's "Let the bodies hit the floor". Right now media outlets are tripping over themselves trying to break down the song and it's "true" meaning.

Didn't we already go through this "evil music" thing back in 1998-99?  :facepalm: x 1000000

A lot longer ago than that.

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« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2011, 09:22:14 PM »
Way to take a thread about a terrible tragedy, commited by an obviously sick individual, and turn it into a giant pillow fight.  Half the problem with this country is retards like you guys who immediately turn every situation into a partisian pissing contest while completely ignoring the actual events.  eff you retards, eff your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) parents, and eff your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) kids.


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« Reply #70 on: January 11, 2011, 09:22:38 PM »
Way to take a thread about a terrible tragedy, commited by an obviously sick individual, and turn it into a giant pillow fight.  Half the problem with this country is retards like you guys who immediately turn every situation into a partisian pissing contest while completely ignoring the actual events.  eff you retards, eff your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) parents, and eff your Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) kids.

jtksu with a great post! :horrorsurprise:

If there's one thing he knows, its retards.

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« Reply #71 on: January 12, 2011, 12:25:03 AM »
I do know retards, that's a fact.

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« Reply #72 on: January 12, 2011, 07:05:50 AM »
to even suggest that the US is fascist in economic principles is academically dishonest and borderline delusional.  The US has no state control production mandates in anything comparable to any fascist regime.  As noted in that horrid definition from the Wikipedia page the point of fascism is the rejection of laissez fair economics.  You are still able to start any business you want without having to report to a national bureau or syndicate which controls that job/workforce.

If the bolded bit is true, as you seem to believe, then the United States is most certainly fascist in its economic orientation.

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« Reply #73 on: January 12, 2011, 11:04:55 AM »
I changed my mind.  This guy watched "Loose Change" (who didn't see that coming?) --he's obviously a Liberal. 

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« Reply #74 on: January 13, 2011, 03:26:41 PM »
Ass clownery reaches new heights

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110113/ap_on_re_us/us_congresswoman_shot_arizona

I only read the first half, but its enough to "get the picture".  The comments are more thoughtful and insightful than the article (first time ever I'm guessing).