Author Topic: How can we get better on offense? (Read 8314 times)

nicname · « **on:** December 21, 2010, 10:44:38 PM »

Can someone please tell me how, with the current players (including Pullen and Kelly) our team can become more efficient on offense?

Under Frank we have had

1. A season with two one-and-done players who were able to carry our offense themselves.
2. Two seasons with Denis Clemente, who allowed us to play in transition when otherwise we wouldn't.
3. This season where even with Pullen and Kelly it seems like we don't have a clue.

We bring the ball up, four guys play patty-cake in the key, or dilly around on one corner. Meanwhile our guards pound the basketball into the court, or hold it forever, before trying to make an entry pass, shoot a three, or drive.

Acceleration Man · « **Reply #1 on:** December 21, 2010, 10:46:33 PM »

1. Make layups
2. Don't make stupid passes that no one can catch
3. Catch the good ones instead of fumbling them around underneath the rim

AzCat · « **Reply #2 on:** December 21, 2010, 10:46:55 PM »

1. Recruit better players.
2. See #1.

j-von · « **Reply #3 on:** December 21, 2010, 10:48:03 PM »

Hire an offensive minded assistant coach who can recruit and isn't a drunk?

kitten_mittons · « **Reply #4 on:** December 21, 2010, 10:51:54 PM »

Get the ball inside.

Bigs don't play like pussies and they make their shots or get fouled rather than missing hook shots and getting blocked.

Also would be beneficial if they could pass out of a double team.

Problem with the offense is the bigs, anyone think any different is a dumbass.

nicname · « **Reply #5 on:** December 21, 2010, 10:52:28 PM »

Quote from: j-vonfeldt on December 21, 2010, 10:48:03 PM

Hire an offensive minded assistant coach who can recruit and isn't a drunk?

This would be pretty cool.

wabash909 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 21, 2010, 10:55:19 PM »

Stop being a bunch of rough ridin' pussies.

Stop being a bunch of rough ridin' pussies.

kitten_mittons · « **Reply #7 on:** December 21, 2010, 10:59:26 PM »

Melting down after this game is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Crowd was awesome. More meaningful sprint center games. Got louder than the ood.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #8 on:** December 21, 2010, 10:59:38 PM »

Make open shots and the offensive efficiency goes way up. I could care less who thinks it looks pretty. The offense has generated plenty of good shots the last two games and we have to have players make them. Even though they aren't 5 star or whatever, the players we have are good enough to score the ball in the situations this offense creates.

After that, get rid of the careless play with the ball; a bunch of our TOs were just fumbles/poor decisions that it really wouldn't matter what offense, guys just have to not be dumb with the ball.

And yeah, I'll say it, get your head right at the FT line. I'm not asking for 80% here, but come on, you should be able to hit 65% as a team.

EMAWzified · « **Reply #9 on:** December 21, 2010, 10:59:53 PM »

Asprilla: Listed at 6 10, actually 6 8, plays like 6 4. How many times did he get blocked tonight? Who after watching him thought he could help in the post?
Judge: Hasn't an effing clue on what to do with the ball in his hands.
Samuels: Dunk it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JHR: Driving from the top of the key probably not going to work.

_33 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 21, 2010, 11:02:56 PM »

Quote from: kitten_mittons on December 21, 2010, 10:59:26 PM

Melting down after this game is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Crowd was awesome. More meaningful sprint center games. Got louder than the ood.

Agreed, no need to meltdown about the loss because the crowd got loud.

ELL3 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 21, 2010, 11:10:06 PM »

our spacing on offense is terrible
a lot of the time 3 or 4 guys are ten feet apart
a big part of our success the last 3 seasons has been shooting so many freebies, if you can't make em then it's not real productive
we are hard to watch, seems like spasketball at times
defense is a staple with this team and will keep us in games
4 out 1 in would be a better offense for this team

kitten_mittons · « **Reply #12 on:** December 21, 2010, 11:10:48 PM »

Quote from: _33 on December 21, 2010, 11:02:56 PM

Quote from: kitten_mittons on December 21, 2010, 10:59:26 PM
Melting down after this game is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Crowd was awesome. More meaningful sprint center games. Got louder than the ood.

Agreed, no need to meltdown about the loss because the crowd got loud.

Those were two separate thoughts. Shouldn't melt down because we were missing our two best offensive players and two of our best defenders, and our two most experienced players, our two players picked to be on all big xii teams. If we can get this kind of effort with jake and curt in the lineup we'll win a lot of basketball games this year.

hemmy · « **Reply #13 on:** December 21, 2010, 11:13:10 PM »

Quote from: kitten_mittons on December 21, 2010, 10:59:26 PM

Melting down after this game is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Crowd was awesome. More meaningful sprint center games. Got louder than the ood.

No it didn't.

PowercatPat · « **Reply #14 on:** December 21, 2010, 11:15:37 PM »

I have an idea, let's recruit players that can actually score. Spradling, Southwell, JHR, and Asprilla can't score for their lives.

Edit: forgot to add the Canadian to that list.

AzCat · « **Reply #15 on:** December 21, 2010, 11:18:53 PM »

Seems like Huggins had some theory about getting guys who could put the ball in the hole or something like that. He's done pretty well for himself maybe Frank should try that.

GetVocalwithCurt · « **Reply #16 on:** December 21, 2010, 11:21:15 PM »

run pick and roll much more. worked really well for irving tonight to get him going. curt would actually be great at pick and roll basketball. also we need to find an effing point guard.

slackcat · « **Reply #17 on:** December 22, 2010, 03:28:25 AM »

Quote from: j-vonfeldt on December 21, 2010, 10:48:03 PM

Hire an offensive minded assistant coach who can recruit and isn't a drunk?

Bobby Knight, would love it.

doom · « **Reply #18 on:** December 22, 2010, 04:19:31 AM »

I would also like to see Sprads learn some transition offense instead of always trying to set offense off of a break.

chum1 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 22, 2010, 06:33:45 AM »

did everyone give up on the take more shots/get more rebounds mantra? or did we just forget who we are?

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #20 on:** December 22, 2010, 07:45:30 AM »

1. Send Assprilla, Roberts, Irving, Judge, Myles and Russell packing.

2. Recruit significantly better and pull Frank's head out of Art Alvarez's ass.

3. Send Dalonte Hill packing and divide his salary up between 2 new assistant coaches who have a clue and who can recruit.

Poster formerly known as jthutch · « **Reply #21 on:** December 22, 2010, 08:17:46 AM »

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on December 22, 2010, 07:45:30 AM

1. Send Assprilla, Roberts, Irving, Judge, Myles and Russell packing.

2. Recruit significantly better and pull Frank's head out of Art Alvarez's ass.

3. Send Dalonte Hill packing and divide his salary up between 2 new assistant coaches who have a clue and who can recruit.

Why would you send Irving packing? he seemed pretty solid last night. Had a couple of TO's but he started us off on our 14 - 0 run in the middle of the 2nd half.

I like Irving a lot.

I think the biggest problem with our offense is spacing. It is hard to a 6'9" or 7' guy to catch a 3 foot bounce pass. And we seem to like to throw those a lot. We probably could use to line up our bigs and throw 200 passes at them a day. So that they get used to catching the damn ball.

catsdo · « **Reply #22 on:** December 22, 2010, 08:43:11 AM »

Didn't Irving have more than just two turnovers? Seemed like he fouled at some pretty horrible times too.

mcmwcat · « **Reply #23 on:** December 22, 2010, 08:51:01 AM »

Quote from: chum1 on December 22, 2010, 06:33:45 AM

did everyone give up on the take more shots/get more rebounds mantra? or did we just forget who we are?

apparently the players did not getting up shots before turning it over - 23 times. just shoot the damn ball. can't score if you don't shoot

mcmwcat · « **Reply #24 on:** December 22, 2010, 08:52:08 AM »

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on December 22, 2010, 07:45:30 AM

1. Send Assprilla, Roberts, Irving, Judge, Myles and Russell packing.

2. Recruit significantly better and pull Frank's head out of Art Alvarez's ass.

3. Send Dalonte Hill packing and divide his salary up between 2 new assistant coaches who have a clue and who can recruit.

why are you giving Spradling a pass? Russel & Irving are both 100 X the player