pullen numbers

[CHONGS]

What a rough ridin' train wreck.

[sys]

Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, your a moran.

totally different.  moran/pole/etc. dumbasses are no better than the idiots that still go around with the "but, but, but ..." shtick.


people that object to irregardless are the same bumblefucks that are like: "'ain't no seats', but that means there really are seats,  "

[WillieWatanabe]

well, beems apparently missed the irregardless thread

yup

[1/64th]

I generally love sys and _fans....but in this instance I have to disagree.  Pullen is significantly worse this year as compared to last year.  When you know basketball, you don't always need math to tell you when someone is playing well or not.  And this year, Pullen has been very average...and in some cases just plain bad.  That's not to say that he is the reason we are losing.  Our bigs totally sucking @$$ is the real problem, IMO.  Now let's see who calls me a dumbass first. 

[sys]

I generally love sys and _fans....but in this instance I have to disagree.  Pullen is significantly worse this year as compared to last year.  When you know basketball, you don't always need math to tell you when someone is playing well or not.  And this year, Pullen has been very average...and in some cases just plain bad.  That's not to say that he is the reason we are losing.  Our bigs totally sucking @$$ is the real problem, IMO.  Now let's see who calls me a dumbass first. 

a gpc talking point.

[1/64th]

I generally love sys and _fans....but in this instance I have to disagree.  Pullen is significantly worse this year as compared to last year.  When you know basketball, you don't always need math to tell you when someone is playing well or not.  And this year, Pullen has been very average...and in some cases just plain bad.  That's not to say that he is the reason we are losing.  Our bigs totally sucking @$$ is the real problem, IMO.  Now let's see who calls me a dumbass first. 

a gpc talking point.

A goEMAW talking point. 

[kso_FAN]

I generally love sys and _fans....but in this instance I have to disagree.  Pullen is significantly worse this year as compared to last year.  When you know basketball, you don't always need math to tell you when someone is playing well or not.  And this year, Pullen has been very average...and in some cases just plain bad.  That's not to say that he is the reason we are losing.  Our bigs totally sucking @$$ is the real problem, IMO.  Now let's see who calls me a dumbass first.  

But IMHO a lot of his "worse" (perception-wise) is not making shots.  I mean we remember getting torched by Irving and some of the TOs that stand out, but if he was shooting last year's 40% from 3 and not 31% with 3PT games of 1-8 vs Duke, 1-6 vs WSU, 0-4 vs Loyola, and 1-7 vs FL we'd all forget a lot of the other stuff.  What stands out right now is he's not hitting the big shots in some of the bigger games.  Like CartierFor3 said, we all want to see Xavier/BYU performances and those 1 for's and 0 for's are a surprise.

[WillieWatanabe]

I generally love sys and _fans....but in this instance I have to disagree.  Pullen is significantly worse this year as compared to last year.  When you know basketball, you don't always need math to tell you when someone is playing well or not.  And this year, Pullen has been very average...and in some cases just plain bad.  That's not to say that he is the reason we are losing.  Our bigs totally sucking @$$ is the real problem, IMO.  Now let's see who calls me a dumbass first.  

a gpc talking point.

a garbage talking point, no matter what sport. Especially bad is Baseball.

[sys]

a gpc talking point.

A goEMAW talking point. 

indeed.  so, you now only need ask yourself which you consider the smarter board.

[CHONGS]

I am biased, but I consider goEMAW to be a smarter board than gpc.

[1/64th]

I generally love sys and _fans....but in this instance I have to disagree.  Pullen is significantly worse this year as compared to last year.  When you know basketball, you don't always need math to tell you when someone is playing well or not.  And this year, Pullen has been very average...and in some cases just plain bad.  That's not to say that he is the reason we are losing.  Our bigs totally sucking @$$ is the real problem, IMO.  Now let's see who calls me a dumbass first.  

But IMHO a lot of his "worse" (perception-wise) is not making shots.  I mean we remember getting torched by Irving and some of the TOs that stand out, but if he was shooting last year's 40% from 3 and not 31% with 3PT games of 1-8 vs Duke, 1-6 vs WSU, 0-4 vs Loyola, and 1-7 vs FL we'd all forget a lot of the other stuff.  What stands out right now is he's not hitting the big shots in some of the bigger games.  Like CartierFor3 said, we all want to see Xavier/BYU performances and those 1 for's and 0 for's are a surprise.

I see him worse in most facets of the game, least of these is shooting percentage.  He is worse defensively.  How many times has he been blown by?  More than I recall last year.  His turnovers are often careless.  I know this is going to get made fun of by you stat/math dorks, but he just doesn't seem as driven as in the past.  As far as shooting goes...how many 1 for and 0 for games did he have last year?  I really don't know.  Not many I'll bet.  He's just not the steady force that he was last year.  IMHO.  

BTW, I'm all for stats and learning from them.  (that's my job anyway).  But sometimes you have to step back from the numbers and look at what's actually going on.  You can learn a lot from both.  

PS.  I love how when we don't like what someone says we call it a gpc talking point.

[chum1]

if it's any consolation to anyone, goEMAW often misinterprets kenpom.  pretty embarrassing to think you're acting smart when you really look like a dumbass.

[kso_FAN]

Pullen had 12 games below 30% last year.  

He has 6 this year, though one of those was VT when he only attempted one 3PT shot.  

I think he has had plenty of games where he has been very good defensively, he's being a) asked to do more b/c the rest of the wings are inexperienced so b) when he does get beat it looks much worse b/c he doesn't have the help he expects.  And Irving absolutely torched him and the rest of the team.  Outside that game, he has been beaten in spots, but I think his defense has been just as good as last year overall.  But without guys like Clemente, Sutton, Colon, and even Merri to help out (when and where he knows they will help) he's bound to look bad at times b/c he's usually guarding their best perimeter player.

[1/64th]

Pullen had 12 games below 30% last year.  

He has 6 this year, though one of those was VT when he only attempted one 3PT shot.  

I think he has had plenty of games where he has been very good defensively, he's being a) asked to do more b/c the rest of the wings are inexperienced so b) when he does get beat it looks much worse b/c he doesn't have the help he expects.  And Irving absolutely torched him and the rest of the team.  Outside that game, he has been beaten in spots, but I think his defense has been just as good as last year overall.  But without guys like Clemente, Sutton, Colon, and even Merri to help out (when and where he knows they will help) he's bound to look bad at times b/c he's usually guarding their best perimeter player.

Ok, I'll buy that. 

[sys]

if it's any consolation to anyone, goEMAW often misinterprets kenpom.  pretty embarrassing to think you're acting smart when you really look like a dumbass.

examples?


re. pullen's defense.  i think the whole discussion started with irving getting by him at will.  and has continued without any additional evidence.  he's still an outstanding on-ball defender.

[Dugout DickStone]

well, beems apparently missed the irregardless thread

yup

Beems bbs'ing is much like Pullen's game right now.  Without other uk fans to play off of and take on some of the posting load, his posting is sucking as he tries to do it all himself.

[1/64th]

if it's any consolation to anyone, goEMAW often misinterprets kenpom.  pretty embarrassing to think you're acting smart when you really look like a dumbass.

examples?


re. pullen's defense.  i think the whole discussion started with irving getting by him at will.  and has continued without any additional evidence.  he's still an outstanding on-ball defender.

FL guards got by him also...maybe not at will, but fairly regularly. 

[sys]

FL guards got by him also...maybe not at will, but fairly regularly. 

no they didn't.  kstate absolutely stifled uf in the 1st half.  and it started with the kstate guards shutting down both dribble penetration and passing lanes.

[OregonSmock]

FL guards got by him also...maybe not at will, but fairly regularly. 

no they didn't.  kstate absolutely stifled uf in the 1st half.  and it started with the kstate guards shutting down both dribble penetration and passing lanes.

Erving Walker disagrees.  Do you even watch the game, or just sit there on your computer and look at stats?

[Poster formerly known as jthutch]

FL guards got by him also...maybe not at will, but fairly regularly. 

no they didn't.  kstate absolutely stifled uf in the 1st half.  and it started with the kstate guards shutting down both dribble penetration and passing lanes.

  The first half of the first half they played pretty good defense but after that it was pretty lazy.  And we could not push the ball up the court.  Which I know there press is supposed to slow down the transition off of a made basket but if we had a ball handler we should be able to exploit that weak press they put on.

[mcmwcat]

FL guards got by him also...maybe not at will, but fairly regularly. 

no they didn't.  kstate absolutely stifled uf in the 1st half.  and it started with the kstate guards shutting down both dribble penetration and passing lanes.

there is no denying this.   granted i stopped watching when we got down by 15 and had missed 20 in a row so he might have played some poor defense after this.

[1/64th]

FL guards got by him also...maybe not at will, but fairly regularly. 

no they didn't.  kstate absolutely stifled uf in the 1st half.  and it started with the kstate guards shutting down both dribble penetration and passing lanes.

Yes they did.  Maybe not in the first 15 mins of the game, but there was another 25 after that where Pullen was blown by on several occasions.  Walker scored the first FG for FL by blowing past Jake.  

Stay out of it Beems. 

[mcmwcat]

'blown by' 

[gatoveintisiete]

good God, what is so hard to figure out?  Last year Jake had Denis and played like an all-american, this year he doesn't have him and things are much much more difficult, no transition points which puts us in our world renown half-court sets,  teams scheme to stop our AA the shots he takes this year don't even compare to the shots he took last year.

Everything we are frustrated with this year goes back to the lack of Clemente, Denis got us in transition, we suck in the halfcourt.  Denis drove and threw crap up off the board and the jycs would clean it up, the reason we don't get to the line is nobody drives to the basket, and nobody gets fouled attempting a stickback because lord knows Franks teams do not consistently get the ball inside in the halfcourt O.

[sys]

Yes they did.  Maybe not in the first 15 mins of the game, but there was another 25 after that where Pullen was blown by on several occasions.  Walker scored the first FG for FL by blowing past Jake. 

i'm not going to say that no uf guard ever got past pullen, because i certainly didn't watch that matchup that closely.  i will say that it you think uf guards going past pullen was a systemic issue throughout the game, you're either blind or didn't see the game.  it simply didn't happen.