There is no positive spin to this one.

[kso_FAN]

Frank has never seemed to be able to coach HBBIQ to his players, or great offense.  He's made his mark coaching toughness, hard defense, and general JYC basketball.  This was completely absent, not a wiff of it and that's what's alarming.

Exactly.  The thing that makes Frank's teams is toughness.  Everything else is built off of that.  Tonight after things went south we lost our toughness and that is something that hasn't happened very often in the Frank/Huggins era.

[chuckhasawillie]

I guess looking back all the twitter post about florida and what not tells me that the team just didn't come on a business trip!! Is it a leadership yes but we dont have any more trips to florida on the schedule!! I guess I am not as worried about it as others. Even shooting as bad as we did we were still in it until 8 minutes left. And even then it took some redic shots from boynton to take the game out of doubt. Now if we lose to unlv then I hit the panic button!!

[Cartierfor3]

I guess looking back all the twitter post about florida and what not tells me that the team just didn't come on a business trip!! Is it a leadership yes but we dont have any more trips to florida on the schedule!! I guess I am not as worried about it as others. Even shooting as bad as we did we were still in it until 8 minutes left. And even then it took some redic shots from boynton to take the game out of doubt. Now if we lose to unlv then I hit the panic button!!

must be fun to not live in reality.  i used to be there bud.  hell, i was there earlier this fall, arguing about banners.  eventually reality sets in.  we'll be here for you when it does.

[slimz]

Frank has never seemed to be able to coach HBBIQ to his players, or great offense.  He's made his mark coaching toughness, hard defense, and general JYC basketball.  This was completely absent, not a wiff of it and that's what's alarming.

Exactly.  The thing that makes Frank's teams is toughness.  Everything else is built off of that.  Tonight after things went south we lost our toughness and that is something that hasn't happened very often in the Frank/Huggins era.

The strange thing is how tough these same guys play on defense or the boards, then you give them the ball within 6 feet of the hoop and they just will not put the ball into the hoop.  Either they throw the ball as hard as possible against the backboard or they find some way to fumble it as they're going up. And it's been that way with every big under Frank except for Beasley (and Bill if you want to count him as a big), who had enough talent to create inside shots and get the ball in the hoop.

[Andy]

I guess looking back all the twitter post about florida and what not tells me that the team just didn't come on a business trip!! Is it a leadership yes but we dont have any more trips to florida on the schedule!! I guess I am not as worried about it as others. Even shooting as bad as we did we were still in it until 8 minutes left. And even then it took some redic shots from boynton to take the game out of doubt. Now if we lose to unlv then I hit the panic button!!

must be fun to not live in reality.  i used to be there bud.  hell, i was there earlier this fall, arguing about banners.  eventually reality sets in.  we'll be here for you when it does.

fwiw we still don't have a "bad" loss.  fla was preseason top 10 and picked to win their conf.  its clear they have talent and a proven coach.  this can just as easily be written off as a bad night against a quality opponent as it could be seen as an omen for a horrible rest of the season.   

[chum1]

There is no positive spin to this one.

It's ultimately insignificant?

[Fuktard]

I'll throw in with sys on this one.  I thought we played pretty good.  We played fantastic defense while we were still in the game with our heads up.  The first half was a beauty....how else can you explain scoring 3 freakin points in the last 9 minutes and STILL leading by 3?  We hit the offensive glass pretty well (16-9 advantage) and really handled their pressure d with only 9 turnovers.  Look, you can't go 1-30 and score 14 points in 25 minutes and expect to win...hell I'm shocked the score wasn't more lopsided.  The fact is, the ball didn't drop for ANYONE.  We had lots of decent looks, it's not like we were just throwing up crap.  It's exteremly difficult to go 1-30...i'd guess most of you couch jockeys could go 1-30 from half court.  These nights happen...not usually even once a year, but they do occasionally happen.  Hopefully we use this as motivavtion.

If you want to be critical, our bigs really struggled, and you'd think they'd be used to the physical play from practice.  They don't play big and strong and it hurts us, esp. around the bucket.  You could also be critical of the fact that once we got our dobbers down, we let up defensively...I hate to see it, but its human nature...great teams don't have that.  It's something that needs to be corrected, but I'm betting it will.  Also, we need Wally...even last years Wally would have been a huge help in this game and other physical games to come.

[_33]

We should recruit tougher/better players.  These players suck.

[CatsFan_58]

 But we were a soft, uncompetitive team in the 2nd half.  Period.

Frank has never seemed to be able to coach HBBIQ to his players, or great offense.  He's made his mark coaching toughness, hard defense, and general JYC basketball.  This was completely absent, not a wiff of it and that's what's alarming.  Florida is not the most physical team we'll play and they bullied us in the 2nd half.  

this... mizzou will beat us by 20

[kso_FAN]

 But we were a soft, uncompetitive team in the 2nd half.  Period.

Frank has never seemed to be able to coach HBBIQ to his players, or great offense.  He's made his mark coaching toughness, hard defense, and general JYC basketball.  This was completely absent, not a wiff of it and that's what's alarming.  Florida is not the most physical team we'll play and they bullied us in the 2nd half.  

this... mizzou will beat us by 20

Missouri is a completely different team, and not nearly as physical as FL.  FL is one of the most physical teams we'll play.

[CatsFan_58]

 But we were a soft, uncompetitive team in the 2nd half.  Period.

Frank has never seemed to be able to coach HBBIQ to his players, or great offense.  He's made his mark coaching toughness, hard defense, and general JYC basketball.  This was completely absent, not a wiff of it and that's what's alarming.  Florida is not the most physical team we'll play and they bullied us in the 2nd half.  

this... mizzou will beat us by 20

Missouri is a completely different team, and not nearly as physical as FL.  FL is one of the most physical teams we'll play.

my point being, mizzzou is physical and plays a strong pressure defense. we'll fold

[kso_FAN]

 But we were a soft, uncompetitive team in the 2nd half.  Period.

Frank has never seemed to be able to coach HBBIQ to his players, or great offense.  He's made his mark coaching toughness, hard defense, and general JYC basketball.  This was completely absent, not a wiff of it and that's what's alarming.  Florida is not the most physical team we'll play and they bullied us in the 2nd half.  

this... mizzou will beat us by 20

Missouri is a completely different team, and not nearly as physical as FL.  FL is one of the most physical teams we'll play.

my point being, mizzzou is physical and plays a strong pressure defense. we'll fold

I'm much more worried about our bids folding than our guards. We did a decent job not turning the ball over today. MU can't make our bids fold like FL did.

[swish1]

 But we were a soft, uncompetitive team in the 2nd half.  Period.

Frank has never seemed to be able to coach HBBIQ to his players, or great offense.  He's made his mark coaching toughness, hard defense, and general JYC basketball.  This was completely absent, not a wiff of it and that's what's alarming.  Florida is not the most physical team we'll play and they bullied us in the 2nd half.  

this... mizzou will beat us by 20

Missouri is a completely different team, and not nearly as physical as FL.  FL is one of the most physical teams we'll play.

my point being, mizzzou is physical and plays a strong pressure defense. we'll fold

I'm much more worried about our bids folding than our guards. We did a decent job not turning the ball over today. MU can't make our bids fold like FL did.

am i the only one that thinks our guards didnt do a very good job of trying to get kelly and samuels involved in the second half?  asprilla and JHR will never be effective on offense against a good team this year, but it seems like the guards forgot about samuels and kelly.

[sys]

uf is very physical.  mu isn't.  weird talking point.

[MakeItRain]

offense missed a ton of open shots in the 1st.  but they were good shots.  in the 2nd, uf did more to impact kstate's horrible shooting.  kstate looked sped up, out of rhythm and out of position from the full court pressure.  and kinda lost against the zone.  still had some easy shots not fall, especially off oboards, but you have to credit uf for a lot of that.  they're long, and they played physical.  it bothered kstate.

This is where we disagree on the impact.  You just seem to be blowing this off, but to me this is a sign of the lack of leadership and attitude of this team.  I think its a problem and maybe a big problem.  I was hoping this stretch would be where we got better, and even a competitive loss would've been okay.  But we were a soft, uncompetitive team in the 2nd half.  Period.

That is a lot to glean from a game where the team missed a bunch of shots.  What are they going to WILL the ball in?  I could just as easily look at the defensive effort and spin it as a positive for the leadership and attitude.  Besides the defensive end is where attitude actually matters.  Attitude really won't help you make shots unless you think they weren't even trying to get open looks.  If that's how you feel I'd consider that a bad take too.  I have never ever ever understood people that try to make something of one college basketball game.  Every team will have head scratching losses, most already have, I just can't bring myself to get worked up.  We are not good offensively, with the way we defend I really don't care all that much.

[wELLsculptedbrows]

^preach

I thought this was incredibly frustrating to watch, but not discouraging.

That said, at what point in this season, if ever, does Frank start to get a little (even just a little) more selective about who is getting minutes? I understanding throwing out whoever in the second half, when no one could get anything to fall, but it seemed like we went pretty rough ridin' deep, pretty rough ridin' early in the first half and completely iced the players that started out hot. 

I know how much Frank loves the motivational substitution, but I still thought we'd have our lineups a little more established by this point in the season.

[kso_FAN]

I suppose a lot of my disappointment is really hoping we are a top 10 team. I mean a real top 10 team takes holding a team without a fg the first 7 minutes and wins comfortably, even if they give up a run sometime.

[MakeItRain]

I suppose a lot of my disappointment is really hoping we are a top 10 team. I mean a real top 10 team takes holding a team without a fg the first 7 minutes and wins comfortably, even if they give up a run sometime.

This is when I was most frustrated, we should have been up 20-0, not 9-0.  We were forcing turnovers and long misses and didn't convert one damn fast break point in that stretch or the game. THIS is where 21 is missed, he put amazing pressure on the defense in the break and the secondary break.  I think people make too much of what he gave in the half court, ARod will start day one.

[Trim]

There is no positive spin to this one.

Buy In or Quit II?

The Wildcats had won their past five games, but Martin said they haven’t been playing well lately.

“We will regroup,” he said, “or guys won’t be wearing our uniform.”

[catzacker]

There is no positive spin to this one.

Buy In or Quit II?

The Wildcats had won their past five games, but Martin said they haven’t been playing well lately.

“We will regroup,” he said, “or guys won’t be wearing our uniform.”

how many times will frank go to that well?  and how many more times will players buy it? they seem to not be responding. 

[Kat Kid]

Pffft Frank will go to the Buy In or Quit well as often as he wants.  Are you some sort of moron?  If the players don't respond, the tagline includes the consequence.

On a related note, I don't miss dom anymore.  That guy is clearly a coward and a loser.

[felix rex]

I suppose a lot of my disappointment is really hoping we are a top 10 team. I mean a real top 10 team takes holding a team without a fg the first 7 minutes and wins comfortably, even if they give up a run sometime.

Exactly. It hurt because (even though I publicly denied it) I let myself believe. I pretty much have zero expectations for this team besides another 20/10, top 4 in conference kind of year. Which isn't a bad year, but still a letdown, relatively speaking, when you let people convince you that we were actually going to be relevant again.

[CHONGS]

I still think we ARE relevant. 

[Cire]

denis was the key  he's gone, we're  a 7-9 win big 12 team now.

[catzacker]

Pffft Frank will go to the Buy In or Quit well as often as he wants.  Are you some sort of moron?  If the players don't respond, the tagline includes the consequence.

frank's an awful coach if he has to resort to this every year. seriously. awful coach.  if the only way he can motivate 3star players is that ultimatum, then he sucks as a coach.  also, his stupid ass oversigning is going to catch up to him as well.

jfc, next thing you know frank will start taking the names off the back of their jerseys.