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« Reply #2075 on: September 19, 2011, 12:45:27 PM »
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« Reply #2077 on: September 19, 2011, 01:28:02 PM »
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« Reply #2080 on: September 19, 2011, 04:36:17 PM »
Perry Ellis. Kansas State University. Mark it down.
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« Reply #2081 on: September 19, 2011, 04:37:09 PM »
Perry Ellis. Kansas State University. Mark it down.

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« Reply #2082 on: September 19, 2011, 04:39:18 PM »
Ellis would be such a great get.  Ellis and Cauley, I would be at 12 oclock for like 6 months.

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« Reply #2083 on: September 19, 2011, 04:41:42 PM »
Perry Ellis. Kansas State University. Mark it down.

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« Reply #2084 on: September 19, 2011, 04:52:37 PM »
If we land Ellis, which we won't, it would be great. But he is being highly over valued. He is good, yes, but not one or two and done good... probably not three and done good and probalbly will end up being a second round pick. I am not dogging the kid...he is a treat to watch but he is no Beasley, no Bill Walker, no Josh Selby. He will be a good to slightly great Big XII(whatever confy) player who has tapped out his potential already. He is what he is, and won't become much more than what you see when you scout him this season. I'm not trying to crush the kid, but if he intends to make the league he will have to be a better ball ahndler and outside shooter as well as a much, much, much better defender than he is.  After all, he won't be playing most of his games against 6'3" white guys from areas of Kansas that most folks :comeatme: :cheers: :users: :users: will never hear of.

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« Reply #2085 on: September 19, 2011, 05:47:41 PM »
remember that time we beat out coach cal for a 5 star recruit? oh, me neither :frown:
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« Reply #2086 on: September 19, 2011, 07:48:30 PM »
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« Reply #2087 on: September 19, 2011, 08:01:03 PM »
If we land Ellis, which we won't, it would be great. But he is being highly over valued. He is good, yes, but not one or two and done good... probably not three and done good and probalbly will end up being a second round pick. I am not dogging the kid...he is a treat to watch but he is no Beasley, no Bill Walker, no Josh Selby. He will be a good to slightly great Big XII(whatever confy) player who has tapped out his potential already. He is what he is, and won't become much more than what you see when you scout him this season. I'm not trying to crush the kid, but if he intends to make the league he will have to be a better ball ahndler and outside shooter as well as a much, much, much better defender than he is.  After all, he won't be playing most of his games against 6'3" white guys from areas of Kansas that most folks :comeatme: :cheers: :users: :users: will never hear of.

Agree with pretty much everything you said. Obviously, he's a dominant KS HS player but that won't necessarily translate to the next level. If you've seen him play against nationally ranked competition(other Top 100, 50 players), it's an adjustment for him to score in the paint against guys that are just and big and athletic as he is. That's not to say he'll never be an efficient interior scorer in college ball, he'll certainly have time to improve and get stronger, it's just that it will be an adjustment for him. 1 thing I gather from several reports and briefly watching him is that he has developed the ability to knock down shots from 18 ft out. I wouldn't say he's a knock down shooter from deep but I do believe he has added that to his repetoire and is continuing to improve in that area. Never seen him play HS ball but that's probably not an area he's really given(or will be given) the chance to showcase there.

1 and done? Don't really see that at all but like you said, I do believe he has the chance to be a very good to possibly great collegiate player, probably not instantly, but eventually.
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« Reply #2088 on: September 20, 2011, 03:18:54 AM »
If we land Ellis, which we won't, it would be great. But he is being highly over valued. He is good, yes, but not one or two and done good... probably not three and done good and probalbly will end up being a second round pick. I am not dogging the kid...he is a treat to watch but he is no Beasley, no Bill Walker, no Josh Selby. He will be a good to slightly great Big XII(whatever confy) player who has tapped out his potential already. He is what he is, and won't become much more than what you see when you scout him this season. I'm not trying to crush the kid, but if he intends to make the league he will have to be a better ball ahndler and outside shooter as well as a much, much, much better defender than he is.  After all, he won't be playing most of his games against 6'3" white guys from areas of Kansas that most folks :comeatme: :cheers: :users: :users: will never hear of.

Agree with pretty much everything you said. Obviously, he's a dominant KS HS player but that won't necessarily translate to the next level. If you've seen him play against nationally ranked competition(other Top 100, 50 players), it's an adjustment for him to score in the paint against guys that are just and big and athletic as he is. That's not to say he'll never be an efficient interior scorer in college ball, he'll certainly have time to improve and get stronger, it's just that it will be an adjustment for him. 1 thing I gather from several reports and briefly watching him is that he has developed the ability to knock down shots from 18 ft out. I wouldn't say he's a knock down shooter from deep but I do believe he has added that to his repetoire and is continuing to improve in that area. Never seen him play HS ball but that's probably not an area he's really given(or will be given) the chance to showcase there.

1 and done? Don't really see that at all but like you said, I do believe he has the chance to be a very good to possibly great collegiate player, probably not instantly, but eventually.

isn't that the 2nd best thing to have these days?  solid upside talent that will actually stay 3-4 yrs?  pretty sure we take him no matter what and be quite happy about it.

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« Reply #2089 on: September 20, 2011, 03:28:04 AM »
If we land Ellis, which we won't, it would be great. But he is being highly over valued. He is good, yes, but not one or two and done good... probably not three and done good and probalbly will end up being a second round pick. I am not dogging the kid...he is a treat to watch but he is no Beasley, no Bill Walker, no Josh Selby. He will be a good to slightly great Big XII(whatever confy) player who has tapped out his potential already. He is what he is, and won't become much more than what you see when you scout him this season. I'm not trying to crush the kid, but if he intends to make the league he will have to be a better ball ahndler and outside shooter as well as a much, much, much better defender than he is.  After all, he won't be playing most of his games against 6'3" white guys from areas of Kansas that most folks :comeatme: :cheers: :users: :users: will never hear of.

Agree with pretty much everything you said. Obviously, he's a dominant KS HS player but that won't necessarily translate to the next level. If you've seen him play against nationally ranked competition(other Top 100, 50 players), it's an adjustment for him to score in the paint against guys that are just and big and athletic as he is. That's not to say he'll never be an efficient interior scorer in college ball, he'll certainly have time to improve and get stronger, it's just that it will be an adjustment for him. 1 thing I gather from several reports and briefly watching him is that he has developed the ability to knock down shots from 18 ft out. I wouldn't say he's a knock down shooter from deep but I do believe he has added that to his repetoire and is continuing to improve in that area. Never seen him play HS ball but that's probably not an area he's really given(or will be given) the chance to showcase there.

1 and done? Don't really see that at all but like you said, I do believe he has the chance to be a very good to possibly great collegiate player, probably not instantly, but eventually.

Frankly Frank's post was really stupid and I'm kind of shocked that you didn't rebuke it.  The entire post is based off of a really stupid stereotype of Kansas high school basketball.  First of all he hasn't played against 6'3" white guys.  There are plenty of decent players in the Wichita City League.  Even if there wasn't Ellis was also evaluated in the summer circuit.  My God Kentucky is recruiting the kid.  If he were from any other state we wouldn't be subjected to stupid ass posts like that of frankly...  Secondly, who the hell cares how he projects as a NBAer?  This isn't the damn NBA.  Do you know how much incredible college players either never play in the NBA or are on rosters but never ever contribute?  If you look at the Big 12 all time top 20 scorers the only one who had a relevant career is Kirk Hinrich.

Your post was stupid, location is no indicator of how good a basketball player is.

Underdog, Ellis is used as a face up forward for Heights.  He'll back a player on occasion but he prefers to catch the ball near the elbow or wing and either spot up or put the ball on the floor.  Heights used Evan Wessel in the low post more than Ellis.  This season I'd imagine Gavin Thurman who transferred from Southeast will play the low post, he needs to prove he can do it, because unlike Ellis, Thurman has no future as a face up forward at the next level.

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« Reply #2090 on: September 20, 2011, 06:20:48 AM »
If we land Ellis, which we won't, it would be great. But he is being highly over valued. He is good, yes, but not one or two and done good... probably not three and done good and probalbly will end up being a second round pick. I am not dogging the kid...he is a treat to watch but he is no Beasley, no Bill Walker, no Josh Selby. He will be a good to slightly great Big XII(whatever confy) player who has tapped out his potential already. He is what he is, and won't become much more than what you see when you scout him this season. I'm not trying to crush the kid, but if he intends to make the league he will have to be a better ball ahndler and outside shooter as well as a much, much, much better defender than he is.  After all, he won't be playing most of his games against 6'3" white guys from areas of Kansas that most folks :comeatme: :cheers: :users: :users: will never hear of.

Agree with pretty much everything you said. Obviously, he's a dominant KS HS player but that won't necessarily translate to the next level. If you've seen him play against nationally ranked competition(other Top 100, 50 players), it's an adjustment for him to score in the paint against guys that are just and big and athletic as he is. That's not to say he'll never be an efficient interior scorer in college ball, he'll certainly have time to improve and get stronger, it's just that it will be an adjustment for him. 1 thing I gather from several reports and briefly watching him is that he has developed the ability to knock down shots from 18 ft out. I wouldn't say he's a knock down shooter from deep but I do believe he has added that to his repetoire and is continuing to improve in that area. Never seen him play HS ball but that's probably not an area he's really given(or will be given) the chance to showcase there.

1 and done? Don't really see that at all but like you said, I do believe he has the chance to be a very good to possibly great collegiate player, probably not instantly, but eventually.

Frankly Frank's post was really stupid and I'm kind of shocked that you didn't rebuke it.  The entire post is based off of a really stupid stereotype of Kansas high school basketball.  First of all he hasn't played against 6'3" white guys.  There are plenty of decent players in the Wichita City League.  Even if there wasn't Ellis was also evaluated in the summer circuit.  My God Kentucky is recruiting the kid.  If he were from any other state we wouldn't be subjected to stupid ass posts like that of frankly...  Secondly, who the hell cares how he projects as a NBAer?  This isn't the damn NBA.  Do you know how much incredible college players either never play in the NBA or are on rosters but never ever contribute?  If you look at the Big 12 all time top 20 scorers the only one who had a relevant career is Kirk Hinrich.

Your post was stupid, location is no indicator of how good a basketball player is.

Underdog, Ellis is used as a face up forward for Heights.  He'll back a player on occasion but he prefers to catch the ball near the elbow or wing and either spot up or put the ball on the floor.  Heights used Evan Wessel in the low post more than Ellis.  This season I'd imagine Gavin Thurman who transferred from Southeast will play the low post, he needs to prove he can do it, because unlike Ellis, Thurman has no future as a face up forward at the next level.

thanks for posting that, MiR.

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« Reply #2091 on: September 20, 2011, 07:42:33 AM »
i've always thought Wichita hoops have provided above average competition (biased).  it's not big time but for its size it produces some pretty good talent.

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« Reply #2094 on: September 20, 2011, 08:16:31 AM »
If we land Ellis, which we won't, it would be great. But he is being highly over valued. He is good, yes, but not one or two and done good... probably not three and done good and probalbly will end up being a second round pick. I am not dogging the kid...he is a treat to watch but he is no Beasley, no Bill Walker, no Josh Selby. He will be a good to slightly great Big XII(whatever confy) player who has tapped out his potential already. He is what he is, and won't become much more than what you see when you scout him this season. I'm not trying to crush the kid, but if he intends to make the league he will have to be a better ball ahndler and outside shooter as well as a much, much, much better defender than he is.  After all, he won't be playing most of his games against 6'3" white guys from areas of Kansas that most folks :comeatme: :cheers: :users: :users: will never hear of.

Agree with pretty much everything you said. Obviously, he's a dominant KS HS player but that won't necessarily translate to the next level. If you've seen him play against nationally ranked competition(other Top 100, 50 players), it's an adjustment for him to score in the paint against guys that are just and big and athletic as he is. That's not to say he'll never be an efficient interior scorer in college ball, he'll certainly have time to improve and get stronger, it's just that it will be an adjustment for him. 1 thing I gather from several reports and briefly watching him is that he has developed the ability to knock down shots from 18 ft out. I wouldn't say he's a knock down shooter from deep but I do believe he has added that to his repetoire and is continuing to improve in that area. Never seen him play HS ball but that's probably not an area he's really given(or will be given) the chance to showcase there.

1 and done? Don't really see that at all but like you said, I do believe he has the chance to be a very good to possibly great collegiate player, probably not instantly, but eventually.

Frankly Frank's post was really stupid and I'm kind of shocked that you didn't rebuke it.  The entire post is based off of a really stupid stereotype of Kansas high school basketball.  First of all he hasn't played against 6'3" white guys.  There are plenty of decent players in the Wichita City League.  Even if there wasn't Ellis was also evaluated in the summer circuit.  My God Kentucky is recruiting the kid.  If he were from any other state we wouldn't be subjected to stupid ass posts like that of frankly...  Secondly, who the hell cares how he projects as a NBAer?  This isn't the damn NBA.  Do you know how much incredible college players either never play in the NBA or are on rosters but never ever contribute?  If you look at the Big 12 all time top 20 scorers the only one who had a relevant career is Kirk Hinrich.

Your post was stupid, location is no indicator of how good a basketball player is.

Underdog, Ellis is used as a face up forward for Heights.  He'll back a player on occasion but he prefers to catch the ball near the elbow or wing and either spot up or put the ball on the floor.  Heights used Evan Wessel in the low post more than Ellis.  This season I'd imagine Gavin Thurman who transferred from Southeast will play the low post, he needs to prove he can do it, because unlike Ellis, Thurman has no future as a face up forward at the next level.
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« Reply #2095 on: September 20, 2011, 08:36:40 AM »
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« Reply #2096 on: September 20, 2011, 08:43:43 AM »
I think Ellis is a safer bet than Judge was/is. Judge is clearly the superior run & jump athlete* but Ellis can consistently knock down the mid-range jump shot and score against smaller and similar sized players in the post. IMO, Judge's lack of ability to do anything consistently led to his downfall at KSU.

MIR, Maybe I misintrepeted FFY's post but I thought the general theme of it was that Ellis is not 1 and done talent or maybe more relevantly, not an immediate dominant force in college. I agree with that sentiment. No question he is an immense talent and KSU would take him in a heartbeat and I believe he has the potential to be a great college player in 3 maybe even 2 years. However, anybody that thinks he's going to be 20 and 10 in his FR yr is blowing his abilities out of proportion.

Yes, Kentucky has offered him and clearly wants him and that is absolutely a testament to his elite ability. However, if he was perceived as being ultra-elite nationally Duke would still have their hat in the ring here. They wouldn't have taken the wait and see approach with him(which Ellis understandably balked at) so that they can see what happens with the likes of Mitch McGary and Alex Poythress. That doesn't mean that Duke is the absolute barometer as to how talent is measured. It also doesn't mean that Ellis won't have a better collegiate or even pro career than McGary or Poythress, it just means that the evaluation is out there that Ellis is elite but not upper-crust elite on the national hoops scene. Kentucky can alos afford to be a little more liberal with their scollys as they could have as many as 7 open up for the Class of '12.

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« Reply #2097 on: September 20, 2011, 08:53:23 AM »
my wally judge comment was just me thinking he's signing with KU trying to make myself feel better about it.


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« Reply #2098 on: September 20, 2011, 08:56:16 AM »
Who really thinks Ellis will be a one-and-done? Anyone? I've never heard anyone say this.

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« Reply #2099 on: September 20, 2011, 08:59:36 AM »
Who really thinks Ellis will be a one-and-done? Anyone? I've never heard anyone say this.

Ellis said it in a vid of his first trip to UK.  That was over a year ago, though, so take it for what it's worth(16 yr old kid talking ball).