2012 Recruiting Thread

[doom]

Never said I didn't like the DCA pipeline, just that it's nice to also have ties to other talent beds.  If we were able to sign every DCA kid we wanted, that would be fine but that's not going to happen.

It used to happen. 

[treysolid]

i'm pretty upset that tyler huffman didn't crack the top 150

[Underdog Wildcat]

i'm pretty upset that tyler huffman didn't crack the top 150

OUTRAGE!

[jtksu]

It was a bit different when Te first got here because he wasn't as far removed from the DCA at that point.  Obviously, he had strong ties to Beas and ties to other kids around Mike's age because of this.  I don't know how well these kids even know Te.  I know they know him, but maybe don't have the level of familiarity that Judge and Gruds had at that age.

[jtksu]

Since Te doesn't really seem to do a whole lot of actual coaching, maybe we could buy him a house in DC and he could just hang out with the DCA kids all the time?  Would be worth it if we got a couple kids a year from them. 

[sys]

It was a bit different when Te first got here because he wasn't as far removed from the DCA at that point.  Obviously, he had strong ties to Beas and ties to other kids around Mike's age because of this.  I don't know how well these kids even know Te.  I know they know him, but maybe don't have the level of familiarity that Judge and Gruds had at that age.

how well do you think alvarez's recruits know martin?


judge and mcgruder = hill knowing to hire shingler, not judge and mcgruder knowing hill, btw.

[jtksu]

I was more referring to Judge and McGruds knowing Beas.  Didn't even think of Shingler.  And it seems like the kids we get through Art are all foreign, spanish speaking kids so I think that Frank's background may help out in that regard.

[skycat]

We can't work the package deal anymore, it's illegal. Without that no longer available resource, this staff has not landed 1 upper echelon 4 star(Rivals Top 75). Why is the Top 75 barrier important? Since 2005(as far back as the database will let you look at the recruits) every national title winner has had at least 4 players on their roster ranked in the Top 75. You're welcome to conduct a more exhaustive study on all the Final 4 teams during the same time frame. My money says the only 2 teams that don't fit that criteria are Butler and George Mason.

I checked on StatSheet, which lists every team's top recruits back to '98, and your observation appears to holds true for all NCs and runners up (except Butler) back to at least 2000-01. However, several of the other FF teams (besides George Mason) didn't have four top-75 players on their roster at the time: West Virginia last year, Georgetown in '07, Oklahoma State in '04, Marquette in '03, and Oklahoma in '02.

Still, most of the teams did fit your criteria, and it's amazing that only Butler bucked the trend for the top two. It goes to show that you're probably not going to get to the FF or especially win the NC without several highly-ranked recruits.

[skycat]

The fact that we are bringing kids from all over the country/world is indicative of our growing recruiting presence.

Consistently getting top recruiting classes would be a much bigger indicator. Hopefully '07 and '09 were the start of an every-other-year trend, meaning '11 will be a great recruiting class. 

[steve dave]

Hopefully '07 and '09 were the start of an every-other-year trend, meaning '11 will be a great recruiting class. 

We've already guaranteed it won't be

[Underdog Wildcat]

We can't work the package deal anymore, it's illegal. Without that no longer available resource, this staff has not landed 1 upper echelon 4 star(Rivals Top 75). Why is the Top 75 barrier important? Since 2005(as far back as the database will let you look at the recruits) every national title winner has had at least 4 players on their roster ranked in the Top 75. You're welcome to conduct a more exhaustive study on all the Final 4 teams during the same time frame. My money says the only 2 teams that don't fit that criteria are Butler and George Mason.

I checked on StatSheet, which lists every team's top recruits back to '98, and your observation appears to holds true for all NCs and runners up (except Butler) back to at least 2000-01. However, several of the other FF teams (besides George Mason) didn't have four top-75 players on their roster at the time: West Virginia last year, Georgetown in '07, Oklahoma State in '04, Marquette in '03, and Oklahoma in '02.

Still, most of the teams did fit your criteria, and it's amazing that only Butler bucked the trend for the top two. It goes to show that you're probably not going to get to the FF or especially win the NC without several highly-ranked recruits.

Thanks for following through with the "complete" investigation there. Da'Sean Butler is clearly 1 guy who performed above and beyond his RSCI ranking of 99(Rivals had him at 147). OSU '04 had the transfer duo of Graham and Lucas and JC transfer Tony Allen who turned out to be gold.

Off the top of my head, I would have guessed that Maryland '02 would be 1 the NC who bucked the "4 in Top 75" rule, Williams prides himself on turning those under the radar guys into stars.

Interesting all around though, great work.

[kso_FAN]

Thanks for following through with the "complete" investigation there. Da'Sean Butler is clearly 1 guy who performed above and beyond his RSCI ranking of 99(Rivals had him at 147). OSU '04 had the transfer duo of Graham and Lucas and JC transfer Tony Allen who turned out to be gold.

Off the top of my head, I would have guessed that Maryland '02 would be 1 the NC who bucked the "4 in Top 75" rule, Williams prides himself on turning those under the radar guys into stars.

Interesting all around though, great work.

Hopefully Pullen is our guy who way out performs his rating (again).  And then someone else too.

[sys]

hornbeak article.  no mention of kstate.


http://www.metroplexhoops.com/AnnouncementRetrieve.aspx?ID=55087

[sys]

bossi, asked abot smart's position and cauley.

Good question on Smart because I couldn't really define a position for him. He's just a playmaker. My guess would be that he ends up playing mostly as a small forward but one who handles a lot.

As for Cauley, I know that a lot of in-state people are moaning and groaning and don't get his ranking. They point to not huge numbers at Spearville and being lazy. Fair arguments. But, you have to look a lot deeper than that at the tools a kid has and Cauley has tools that very few kids in the country has. He's pushing 6-11, has great length, runs like the wind, is quick off the floor and is starting to fill out his frame. If he listens to the people who are trying so hard to help him out and the light goes off, he could explode in ways as a prospect that few others could.

Not to mention, he's more than held his own at events like the Nike Hoop Jamboree and looked really good playing on the 17U level with MoKan Elite at a few events.

This early in the process, it's worth taking a gamble that he figures it out.

[treysolid]

bossi, asked abot smart's position and cauley.

Good question on Smart because I couldn't really define a position for him. He's just a playmaker. My guess would be that he ends up playing mostly as a small forward but one who handles a lot.

As for Cauley, I know that a lot of in-state people are moaning and groaning and don't get his ranking. They point to not huge numbers at Spearville and being lazy. Fair arguments. But, you have to look a lot deeper than that at the tools a kid has and Cauley has tools that very few kids in the country has. He's pushing 6-11, has great length, runs like the wind, is quick off the floor and is starting to fill out his frame. If he listens to the people who are trying so hard to help him out and the light goes off, he could explode in ways as a prospect that few others could.

Not to mention, he's more than held his own at events like the Nike Hoop Jamboree and looked really good playing on the 17U level with MoKan Elite at a few events.

This early in the process, it's worth taking a gamble that he figures it out.

so he's a project.  the question becomes, do we take a project big man in 2012 when we just took a project big man in 2011?  regardless or not of whether we are a top 3 choice for cauley, my answer is no.

[skycat]

Off the top of my head, I would have guessed that Maryland '02 would be 1 the NC who bucked the "4 in Top 75" rule, Williams prides himself on turning those under the radar guys into stars.

You're right, but just barely. Maryland had 3 top-75 RSCI players and one ranked 80th. One service ranked him 66th though, and one 76th. So I fudged a tiny bit.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/maryland/recruiting

Is there any site that shows a team's roster for any given year and lists each player's recruitment ranking/stars on the same page? On StatSheet's recruiting pages I have to click through to see if a player played a particular year, plus it doesn't show transfers.

[Underdog Wildcat]

Heh, you can thank Juan Dixon for that 1, don't think he received much recruiting love at all, but might have been the best collegiate 2 guard of his era. Skinny shazbot!, but could flat out light it up. Obviously had some talent around him to help carry the load though.

Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any particular site that GUARANTEED will show a team's roster for a particular year and also provide you with each player's recruiting ranking. Rivals comes close, but it doesn't always have the player's recruiting ranking linked inside each player's profile.

For example, I've linked Florida's team stats from th 05-06 season. If I click on "J. Noah" it shows you his career stats and gives a link to his Rivals recruiting ranking(upper right corner). Unfortunately, not every team site links the recruiting profile inside the player profile like that.

There's a good chance somebody out there knows more about that than me, because that's really all I got.

http://florida.rivals.com/bstats.asp

[skycat]

Thanks for following through with the "complete" investigation there. Da'Sean Butler is clearly 1 guy who performed above and beyond his RSCI ranking of 99(Rivals had him at 147). OSU '04 had the transfer duo of Graham and Lucas and JC transfer Tony Allen who turned out to be gold.

Off the top of my head, I would have guessed that Maryland '02 would be 1 the NC who bucked the "4 in Top 75" rule, Williams prides himself on turning those under the radar guys into stars.

Interesting all around though, great work.

Hopefully Pullen is our guy who way out performs his rating (again).  And then someone else too.

Don't forget JamSam. He's played at a much higher level than his Scouts grade of 78. Compared to him, Jake was highly recruited -- his Scouts grade was 93, he was #88 in the ESPNU 100, and his offers list was bigger and somewhat more impressive.

Of our new recruits, I think Sprads will be the one to outperform his rating the most.

[skycat]

Heh, you can thank Juan Dixon for that 1, don't think he received much recruiting love at all, but might have been the best collegiate 2 guard of his era. Skinny shazbot!, but could flat out light it up. Obviously had some talent around him to help carry the load though.

Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any particular site that GUARANTEED will show a team's roster for a particular year and also provide you with each player's recruiting ranking. Rivals comes close, but it doesn't always have the player's recruiting ranking linked inside each player's profile.

For example, I've linked Florida's team stats from th 05-06 season. If I click on "J. Noah" it shows you his career stats and gives a link to his Rivals recruiting ranking(upper right corner). Unfortunately, not every team site links the recruiting profile inside the player profile like that.

There's a good chance somebody out there knows more about that than me, because that's really all I got.

http://florida.rivals.com/bstats.asp

What I'm really looking for is a site that lists the players' recruiting rankings right on the roster, without having to click through. Probably doesn't exist...sigh.

BTW, your link should be http://florida.rivals.com/bstats.asp?Team=FLORIDA&year=2005

[skycat]

I got to thinking, how many top 75 recruits did KU have on their active roster last season? So I counted. 1, 2, 3 . . . 10. TEN upper-echelon recruits. And they still couldn't beat Northern Iowa, which had . . . ZERO top recruits. Not even a top 100. Nice going, KU!

Next year with Travis Releford coming off his redshirt and Josh Selby possibly on board, KU will still have nine (maybe eight) top 75 recruits. K-State will have just two. KU will have four seniors (three of which are top 75) and we'll have just two (one top 75). And yet we're still co-favorites along with KU to win the Big 12. That's called superior coaching, people!

Now, just imagine if we recruited as well as we coached...

[michigancat]

Next year with Travis Releford coming off his redshirt and Josh Selby possibly on board, KU will still have nine (maybe eight) top 75 recruits. K-State will have just two. KU will have four seniors (three of which are top 75) and we'll have just two (one top 75). And yet we're still co-favorites along with KU to win the Big 12. That's called superior coaching, people!

KU will finish ahead of us.  hth.

[WillieWatanabe]

Next year with Travis Releford coming off his redshirt and Josh Selby possibly on board, KU will still have nine (maybe eight) top 75 recruits. K-State will have just two. KU will have four seniors (three of which are top 75) and we'll have just two (one top 75). And yet we're still co-favorites along with KU to win the Big 12. That's called superior coaching, people!

KU will finish ahead of us.  hth.

goddamnit Rusty, STFU.

[The42Yardstick]

i wonder if skycat eats skycake?

[Underdog Wildcat]

This is the meat and potatoes of what I posted over on GPC, there's nothing here that hasn't already been posted in the goEMAW recruiting threads, but if you like to have an overall picture of things, read on.

Bigs
19. Perry Ellis(offer) 6'8" 210 Wichita, KS(Heights HS) - Pray & Play Players

47. Willie Cauley(offer) 6'10" 210 Olathe, KS (Northwest HS)- Spiece MoKan

NR. Joshkema Nicholas 6'11" 215
Finished up his HS career this past spring at a private school in Miami area. According to an article posted in this thread a couple mos back, our staff placed him at Wabash Valley(IL) JC. Will be interesting to see if he can stick there and if he does that, will there be an offer from KSU waiting for him at that time?

120. Stephon Blair 6'8" 210 Ft. Lauderdale, FL (Dillard HS)- Florida Rams
Blair had mentioned KSU as a team that had contacted him in a couple of updates from the 09-10 season, but did not mention KSU in his latest update. Would like to see our interest in him pick up.

131. Dominique Wilson 6'9" 215 KCK Piper HS, now attending prep school at Maine Central Institute - KC 76ers

NR. Jordon Granger 6'8" 180 St. Louis (McCluer North HS)- St Louis Eagles

Wings
22. Marcus Smart(offer) 6'4" 205 Flower Mound, TX - TX Assault
Toughest player in America!

26. Torian Graham 6'4" 175 Raleigh, NC, now attending Oak Hill Academy - DC Assault
Everybody here knows the story, Big time talent who enjoyed meteoric rise in last rankings update, can we seal the deal?

Guards
NR. Ian Baker 6'1" 170 Jacksonville ACD - Heart & Hustle

NR. Shawn Smith 6'3" 175 Jacksonville ACD - Heart & Hustle

108. Wesley Staen 6'1" Sioux City, IA (Bishop Heelan HS) - Kingdom Hoops

NR. Benny Parker 5'8" KCK (Sumner Academy) - KC 76ers

52. Jelon Hornbeak 6'2" Arlington, TX (Grace Prep) - TX Select Elite

28. LJ Rose 6'3" Houston (Second Baptist HS) - Houston Hoops
As you can see, Rose and Hornbeak are a couple of highly ranked prospects out of TX who KSU has been mentioned in connection with in the past(along with many other schools) but I'm not certain at this point if the mutual interest is there or how vigorously our staff is pursuing either of them.

[Underdog Wildcat]

Martin has to be salivating over this guy, hope we can convince him he's the perfect "fit":

"Who is the toughest - maybe not the best, but the most hard-nosed player - you saw in person this summer?

Meyer: Class of 2012 prospect Marcus Smart was the toughest prospect I saw this summer. He immediately reminded me of Paul Harris who played at Syracuse. Harris might be the toughest prospect I've ever scouted. Smart is a physically imposing, do-everything guard who absolutely loves contact and thrives on competitive confrontation.

Bossi: This is a really easy answer for me, 2012 wing Marcus Smart from Texas. He's as tough a player as I've ever seen on the high school level. He fights for rebounds, is an intense defender and has a knack for going and making plays when his team needs them the most. As far as I'm concerned, he's the gold standard for toughness in high school basketball.

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1120615