End of Regular Season Defensive Rankings . . .

[sonofdaxjones]

Rushing Defense 118th  Conference 12th

Pass Eff Defense 46th Conference 6th (why even bother passing against K-State??)

Pass Defense 55th Conference 4th (again, why bother passing against K-State??)

Total Defense 107th Conference 11th

Scoring Defense 74th Conference 7th

Sacks 92nd Conference 9th

TFL 110th Conference 12th

A classic horrid, hang on for dear life, bend and often break defense.

So who is WRSOAT bringing in to help stem the tide??  Brown??  Okay, he's one guy.  We need at least 2 above average JC DT's, we need another Juco DE's besides Williams, (you cannot assume anything with A. Davis), we need at least 1 if not 2 above average JC LB's to help with depth.

[Panjandrum]

Being eleventh in total defense is kind of a sham.  KSU is actually dead last if you consider yards per play.

KSU gave up 6.3 yards per play, Texas Tech gave up 6.2.

[kstatefreak42]

MeShak Williams.

[kso_FAN]

Simply terrible.  Someone needs to go with rankings like that, no matter what the talent level.  There is no excuse when many of the issues are correctable and the result of a combination of flaws in the scheme and poor execution.

[kso_FAN]

It really is amazing that this team managed to give up a TD less per game than the 08 defense when they were pretty much worse in every other category.  The offense managing TOP at a reasonable clip probably made the difference.

[catzacker]

if they put down Old Yeller, there's no reason we can't put Bill down.

[kso_FAN]

if they put down Old Yeller, there's no reason we can't put Bill down.

Yeah, but they won't. 

[catzacker]

if they put down Old Yeller, there's no reason we can't put Bill down.

Yeah, but they won't. 

maybe if I keep posting it on a messageboard they will.

[Bookcat]

It really is amazing that this team managed to give up a TD less per game than the 08 defense

we had some resemblance of a running attack which shortened games and gave the opponent fewer chances to score.

[kso_FAN]

It really is amazing that this team managed to give up a TD less per game than the 08 defense

we had some resemblance of a running attack which shortened games and gave the opponent fewer chances to score.

One of several. 

Averaging nearly .9 more YPC is a big one, leading to a much better TOP.
TO margin of +4 for the season compared to -7.
Redzone % of 90%/81% TDs compared to 81%/72% TDs. 

Pretty much Snyder using a much better offensive system to go with a terrible defense and managing the game better.  But that isn't a surprise really.

[wabash909]

Regarding the "talent" issue the tards have now firmly latched onto in defense of Cosh's/Snyder's ineptitude.

This dude really smacks the whore right in the mouth, IMO. 

Let's go over some numbers here shall we.

In 2009 Childs had 9 tackles. Yes. 9 tackles. and 1 tackle for loss.....in 12 games played.

In 2010 Felder has played in 12 games and has 34 tackles and 3 for loss.

Ok so so far we can completely throw out the absurd statement that Childs is better than Felder. Fair enough?

In 2009 Daniel Calvin had 31 tackles and 5 tackles for loss. In 2010 Guidry had 33 tackles and 2.5 for loss. Both had 2 sacks. Pretty comparable to me.

Boyd is red-shirting so it's ridiculous to compare him to Abana....but in case you were wondering.....Abana had a whopping 12 tackles last year.

in 2009 Moore had 2 interceptions and 11 passes broken up. In 2010 Sweeney has had 2 interceptions and 9 passes broken up. Pretty comparable. Moore did have 22 more tackles. Not sure high tackle numbers from corners is a good thing. As far as actually defending passes in the air...numbers are nearly identical.

in 2009 Houlik and Pomele combined for 106 tackles, 11.5 tackles for loss, 2 sacks and one pick. In 2010 Hrebec plus Walker combined for 121 tackles, 4 tackles for loss, 1 sack and 1 pick. It's not really a fair comparison because Walker hardly saw the field until the middle of the season. His first significant minutes came after Iowa State.

Hartman in 2009 had 54 tackles, 6 passes broken up, and 5 picks. In 2010 he had 76 tackles, 1 pass broken up, and 2 picks.

Finally......Fitz in 2009 had 39 tackles, 9 tackles for loss, and 7 sacks. Harold this year had 41 tackles, 7.5 tackles for loss, and 2 sacks.

So where is this glaring difference in talent from last year? It sure as hell doesn't show up statistically. The only drastic difference is between Harold and Fitz and that gap stat wise is not as big as you think. Fitz did have 5 more sacks but only 1.5 more tackles for loss and less tackles overall.

It's obvious statistically that Felder is much better than Eric Childs. The numbers for Sweeney and Moore are very comparable unless you wanna talk about how well they help in run support. The numbers for our interior d-line are VERY comparable. Hartman sucked last year just like he sucked this year. People want to talk about how it's post injury....well he's the same player that dropped a sure pick that hit him in the chest at LaLa that could have prevented a later td. He's the same guy that whiffed on a pick against ISU that set up the blocked PAT for the win. He's the same guy that got torched by Alexander in the open field against Missouri. He gave up big play after big play against Tech. He's the same player. Just because he had some lolli pop picks against terrible teams last year does not mean he was a good safety.

At linebacker....bad play is bad play. We blitzed a lot less this year which can explain the difference in tackles for loss from the linebackers this season.....and also even though the stats are comparable....we are using a player in Walker who only saw significant playing time in 8 games.

I know you guys want to be positive and believe this has to do with talent but at the end of the day.......we had the personnel this year to be a lot better defensively. No we could not be a top 40 defense...but we could have been good enough to win another game or two.

It's not talent. It's coaching. These are the stats that really matter.

2009 - we gave up 23 pts per game. We gave up 1265 yards rushing or 3.4 yards a carry and 10 rushing tds. We gave up 2814 yards passing for a grand total of 5.4 yards per play. Teams converted 41 percent of 3rd downs, were 83 percent in the red zone, and forced 24 turnovers.

2010 - we gave up 28.5 pts per game. We gave up 2749 yards rushing or 5.92 per carry and 19 rushing tds. We gave up 2547 yards passing for a grand total of 6.3 yards per play. Teams converted 43.8 percent of 3rd downs, were 84 percent in the red zone, and we forced 22 turnovers.

We were worse in every single category except yards given up through the air....which who in the hell would want to pass when they can run.

Bottom line is.....there is nothing to support your claim that we were a lot more talented last season. The numbers are comparable. However......the defense as a whole was a ton worse. That's coaching. It's being able to get off the field on a key third down. It's not having a team have 2nd and 4 after a run and instead having 2nd and 7. It's a big freaking deal.

Our head coach built an entire program holding players accountable for their performance. It's about freaking time he held his coaches to the same set of standards.

[unleashthemob]

 I think the thing that pisses me off the most is that when bill came back, he went begging for money, saying if were going to calm the waters we have to bring in good coaching. Look what we ended up with, basically the same rough ridin' lamed ass sobs that we had before. Yes he went out and got Ludwig and vk to appease the masses, but honestly I the the old mother rough rider purposely ran them off so he could have his little kiss asses surrounding him, and once again bill is in charge. I really think the real reason bill retired the first time is because the heat was on him to fire his butt buddy Elliott, believe me, the mother rough rider going to bring that bastard back....the master plan has been in place since he reentered, and the thought of Elliot make me want to spew!

[wabash909]

I don’t really believe Snyder at this point in his career places a lot of value in his assistant coaching staff.  We all know how aloof of an individual he is in most respects.  He just thinks he can omnipotently manage the entire program at all levels.  He refuses to delegate, he refuses to make the financial commitment to coaching salaries necessary to attract and retain the top level assistants currently in the profession, and he refuses to modify the suffocating work demands that have proven to foster time and again an extremely negative atmosphere.  Those that have other opportunities leave.  The ones that don’t, simply tolerate because there are no other options.  As far as recruiting is concerned, Carson Coffman is all I needed to cement my opinion on his perception of the talent necessary to compete.  If he had any qualms about his personnel, we would have a rough ridin' DT committed or addressed anything substantive on the defense by now in this recruiting class.  He hasn’t and I honestly believe he does not perceive there to be a considerable talent deficiency in the program.  I honestly don’t.  What I do believe is that he naively thinks he can take what he has and coach them up.

I honestly think, at 71 years old, he is committed to pouring all of his resources into his own coaching effort in the belief that above all else, this is the difference between success and failure for the program.  It’s an irrational sort of tunnel vision, but this is the path we are headed on.

[Sugar Dick]

FYI - we have two HS DT's committed.

This is in no way an endorsement of our current defensive strategy, and/or personnel.

[MadCat]

I'm ready to demote OB to OC so Cosh can do his got damn job.

[j rake]

K-State's defense had quite a few tackles. 

[unleashthemob]

K-State's defense had quite a few tackles.  true, but its the tackles they miss that were the problem.

[kso_FAN]

Okay, I had to run the numbers officially.  K-State's media guide only tracks total plays and total yardage from 1971 to now, so I looked at those numbers for overall defense yards per play, and rushing defense yards per rush. 

For total defense - yards per play...
The 2010 defense's average of giving up 6.29 yard per play is 2nd worse; only 1988's 6.49 yards per play is worse.

For rushing defense - yards per rush...
The 2010 defense's average of giving up 5.92 yards per rush is the worst average since 1971, beating out 1988's 5.7 YPR, 1989's 5.22 YPR, and 2008's 5.2 YPR.

So yeah, officially this is the worst rushing defense in recorded K-State history.  Embarrassing.

 

[kso_FAN]

[MadCat]

Is this the worst rushing defense ever or is it tied with 1988?  

[kso_FAN]

Is this the worst rushing defense ever or is it tied with 1988? 

 

88 "only" gave up 5.7 yards per rush.

[kso_FAN]

Amazing we won 7 games, even if most were against bad teams.  5.92 yards per rush is an amazing number.  This has got to be one of the worst BCS league rush defenses ever.

[jtksu]

FYI - we have two HS DT's committed.

This is in no way an endorsement of our current defensive strategy, and/or personnel.

Seems like I heard that Lamonte was a sign and place guy.  We do have Boyd that red-shirted this year.  I would assume that he was injured because it's not like we had the players to afford us red-shirting any DTs, let alone a junior.

[Skipper44]

This D is worse than the late 80's as back then almost every O in Big8 was run first (OU running the bone, NU, CU w/ run first qbs, etc)

[deputy dawg]

You, collectively, made me make this post: