2011 Recruiting Thread

[steve dave]

but i still also wonder if the staff isn't making an active effort to conceal recruiting efforts for some unknowable reason.  i know it sounds stupid, but i still wonder it.

There is prolly some truth to this.  Frank is very paranoid. 

[Panjandrum]

i think there is a small recruiting decline effect (loss of dca connection), but there is a far greater lack-of-coverage effect.



i've run this idea past several of the kstate media, and basically had it shot down.  but i still also wonder if the staff isn't making an active effort to conceal recruiting efforts for some unknowable reason.  i know it sounds stupid, but i still wonder it.

I've noticed the decline in DCA kids, so I'll agree that the lack of progress there is concerning.  I have noticed an increase in interest towards local kids (Spradling, McCollugah [sp?]), NYC kids, and the ever popular Florida kids.

As long as Art is in Miami, we'll have an "in" with the Tropics.  I believe that if we want him, Rodriguez will be in this class, and I'm fine with that.  I also like Nino Williams.  

I wish we were in on more 150 recruits like everyone else, but I guess I'm content to wait and see what recruiting looks like after the summer before I get really concerned about it.  Assuming Rodriguez will be in this class, we have 1-2 spots to fill (depending on the rollover from the open one this year).  So I get the 'being picky' angle too.

[michigancat]

KSU got a TON of mentions from top 100 types in the 08 and 09 classes, and they didn't come via J-Mart - they all came from guys like Telep and Meyer in their AAU tourney recaps.  The only mention we got from Boo Williams is Suarez, and that's really pathetic.  J-Mart has nothing to do with it.

[sys]

KSU got a TON of mentions from top 100 types in the 08 and 09 classes, and they didn't come via J-Mart - they all came from guys like Telep and Meyer in their AAU tourney recaps.  The only mention we got from Boo Williams is Suarez, and that's really pathetic.  J-Mart has nothing to do with it.

yeah, that's why i wonder about the idea that the staff is covering their tracks.


i do think they are being very targeted with their '11 ships, basically just recruiting a pg (3 targets?), and probably an unknown big.  but you'd think that there would be a scattering of mentions with the big targets, even if they're only looking at a small number of possibilities for one 'ship.  and there aren't.

[pissclams]

maybe the staff just knows that they can win by doing things the right way.  they don't need the "mercedes" recruits to win, instead they're building a foundation the way it is meant to be built and that will last.

i'd love to see what kind of recruiting the lot of you who are being so critical could pull off.  i know this much, none of the sh*t talkers here have been to the Elite Eight before, guess what?  Frank and his staff have been.  Tia.

[Dugout DickStone]

maybe the staff just knows that they can win by doing things the right way.  they don't need the "mercedes" recruits to win, instead they're building a foundation the way it is meant to be built and that will last.

i'd love to see what kind of recruiting the lot of you who are being so critical could pull off.  i know this much, none of the sh*t talkers here have been to the Elite Eight before, guess what?  Frank and his staff have been.  Tia.

F'ing love clams.  Need to finish that with a "u digg?" though.

[Panjandrum]

maybe the staff just knows that they can win by doing things the right way.  they don't need the "mercedes" recruits to win, instead they're building a foundation the way it is meant to be built and that will last.

That's how the SLTH talk begins...

 

[catzacker]

KSU got a TON of mentions from top 100 types in the 08 and 09 classes, and they didn't come via J-Mart - they all came from guys like Telep and Meyer in their AAU tourney recaps.  The only mention we got from Boo Williams is Suarez, and that's really pathetic.  J-Mart has nothing to do with it.

yeah, that's why i wonder about the idea that the staff is covering their tracks.


i do think they are being very targeted with their '11 ships, basically just recruiting a pg (3 targets?), and probably an unknown big.  but you'd think that there would be a scattering of mentions with the big targets, even if they're only looking at a small number of possibilities for one 'ship.  and there aren't.

I don't know how staffs could possibly do this.  The only way a KSU mention goes undocumented is because the kid was never asked because the kid wasn't/isn't on anyone's radar because he's not getting looks by anyone worth mentioning.  

[steve dave]

Also, insidery grumblings here, don't expect any DCA commits anytime soon 

[WillieWatanabe]

maybe the staff just knows that they can win by doing things the right way.  they don't need the "mercedes" recruits to win, instead they're building a foundation the way it is meant to be built and that will last.

i'd love to see what kind of recruiting the lot of you who are being so critical could pull off.  i know this much, none of the sh*t talkers here have been to the Elite Eight before, guess what?  Frank and his staff have been.  Tia.

'clams might be the most hard to read(not literal) poster in this place.

[sys]

I don't know how staffs could possibly do this.  The only way a KSU mention goes undocumented is because the kid was never asked because the kid wasn't/isn't on anyone's radar because he's not getting looks by anyone worth mentioning.  

just ask the recruit not to mention.  that part is really easy.  the difficult part with the hypothesis is coming up with a motivation.

[pissclams]

maybe the staff just knows that they can win by doing things the right way.  they don't need the "mercedes" recruits to win, instead they're building a foundation the way it is meant to be built and that will last.

i'd love to see what kind of recruiting the lot of you who are being so critical could pull off.  i know this much, none of the sh*t talkers here have been to the Elite Eight before, guess what?  Frank and his staff have been.  Tia.

F'ing love clams.  Need to finish that with a "u digg?" though.

damn it.  i considered a u digg? but didn't go with one.  damn it. 

[catzacker]

I don't know how staffs could possibly do this.  The only way a KSU mention goes undocumented is because the kid was never asked because the kid wasn't/isn't on anyone's radar because he's not getting looks by anyone worth mentioning.  

just ask the recruit not to mention.  that part is really easy.  the difficult part with the hypothesis is coming up with a motivation.

Frank's cuban, he saw what happened at the Bay of Pigs when information gets leaked out.

[yosh]

I don't know how staffs could possibly do this.  The only way a KSU mention goes undocumented is because the kid was never asked because the kid wasn't/isn't on anyone's radar because he's not getting looks by anyone worth mentioning.  

just ask the recruit not to mention.  that part is really easy.  the difficult part with the hypothesis is coming up with a motivation.

The only semi-plausible, posititve scenrio is that your both correct.  We have a commitment/near commitment from sombeody (not sucky) on nobody's radar and we are trying to keep him hidden.  Like Mitchell from last year, but we're keeping him under wraps.  I find this unlikely, but it's the only plausible hidden recruit theory.  I don't think we're recruiting a bunch of current 5-stars and telling them not to mention us.  Nothing at all to gain there.  If you say the class is Nino, elite DIR Mitchell type, and whatever PG we get out of the guys we are recruiting, you might be able to sleep a little better.

[yosh]

Above theory is made a little more plausible by the idea that we seemingly aren't talking to any bigs at all.

[Skipper44]

Also, insidery grumblings here, don't expect any DCA commits anytime soon 

Is this related to the fallout from the Beasley - Joel Bell relationship going south or other factors?  

[sys]

The only semi-plausible, positive scenario...

i don't even consider it along the spectrum of positive or negative.  just an attempt to resolve the lack of mentions (be it from elites, near elites, near pathetics or pathetics) with the past abundance of mentions from the same staff.

i mean,  there is just very little current evidence that the kstate staff is doing any recruiting outside of kansas.  and that lack of evidence doesn't conform with either past tendencies, or what people say about the staff's commitment to recruiting.

[_33]

I don't know how staffs could possibly do this.  The only way a KSU mention goes undocumented is because the kid was never asked because the kid wasn't/isn't on anyone's radar because he's not getting looks by anyone worth mentioning.  

just ask the recruit not to mention.  that part is really easy.  the difficult part with the hypothesis is coming up with a motivation.

The only semi-plausible, posititve scenrio is that your both correct.  We have a commitment/near commitment from sombeody (not sucky) on nobody's radar and we are trying to keep him hidden.  Like Mitchell from last year, but we're keeping him under wraps.  I find this unlikely, but it's the only plausible hidden recruit theory.  I don't think we're recruiting a bunch of current 5-stars and telling them not to mention us.  Nothing at all to gain there.  If you say the class is Nino, elite DIR Mitchell type, and whatever PG we get out of the guys we are recruiting, you might be able to sleep a little better.

hidcommit   

[sys]

the only plausible hidden recruit theory.

yeah, something like that or a foreign big is probably the most plausible.  but even if it was a proverbial silent commit, wouldn't there be mentions from backup plan bigs?

[Cire]

Are there any more DCA guys that live in Florida?

[kso_FAN]

Its entirely possible the staff got tired of getting in on guys/getting mentions with guys early, then losing out on most of those guys.  Reaction could be a) keeping things more quiet or b) changed recruiting targets/strategy.

[kso_FAN]

Related; some nice #DCAssault tweeting from JamSam.

http://twitter.com/JamSam32

[yosh]

the only plausible hidden recruit theory.

yeah, something like that or a foreign big is probably the most plausible.  but even if it was a proverbial silent commit, wouldn't there be mentions from backup plan bigs?

Ahh...but you are forgetting the overconfident with recruits theorem.  Can't ignore the fundamental laws of Frank Martin recruiting.

[kso_FAN]

If only it were really true:

JamSam32    #DCAssault is the only team that if you play with them you going to KSTATE it's a rap. Pack your bags you in Manhattan, Kansas lmao
7 minutes ago via mobile web

[catzacker]

Are we just in denial?  Would it be fair to say that without the influence of Beasley/Huggs, this staff has gotten Gilbert, Awaji, Clemente, Kelly, Irving, Russell, Asprilla, Sprads, Southwell, and Nino?  Kind of an underwhelming group overall.  Further, would it be fair to say that most of these guys were "late" additions/mentions?