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« Reply #16700 on: January 24, 2019, 09:20:37 PM »
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2019/1/24/18196643/the-4-3-under-how-the-chiefs-current-personnel-fits?utm_campaign=arrowheadpride&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Good read. Craig knows his defense.

Ragland could be trade bait.  If Ford is back & Houston gone, we will need to find a SAM

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« Reply #16701 on: January 24, 2019, 09:28:47 PM »
I understand seeing college OT as gimmicky, because it is completely unlike every other setup in football.

How does high school OT work?

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« Reply #16702 on: January 25, 2019, 11:07:24 AM »
I understand seeing college OT as gimmicky, because it is completely unlike every other setup in football.

How does high school OT work?

I believe it's the same as college, except you have to go for two during the second overtime, and you start at the 10 yard line.
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« Reply #16703 on: January 25, 2019, 02:26:39 PM »
I would imagine HS OT changes from state to state

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« Reply #16704 on: January 25, 2019, 03:43:36 PM »
I have been against instant replay reviews in baseball from the start. I love baseball and even I can admit its kinda boring, no need to slow it down even more. I'm against it now in football too. I'm still unsatisfied after reviews, and it is such a time suck during games. Make the call, stick with it, and lets keep playing. Sunday the reviews took forever and I'm still unconvinced they were right. Just play sheesh.

Haven't caught up on the thread yet so this may be addressed after your post right here, but if you were at the Chiefs game then I'm guessing you probably weren't watching the end of the Saints game before it. I can tell you that the end of regulation showed the Saints getting absolutely jobbed on a PI no call that is one of the most egregious and costly no calls in the history of sports. Unfortunately, somehow, that was not one of the things the NFL deemed reviewable. I am confident that if you had followed that game and watched that no call, and understood its repercussions, not only would you no longer be against replays, but you'd probably be for expanding it to include more.

Believe it or not I was watching the game inside of Arrowhead stade.

The PI was bad for sure. No one doubts that, but it was an anomaly, a call that bad is unusual and the average PI that gets reviewed will not be that obvious. I get it, I'm a tuck/old timer about that stuff, I just hate how often I watch a game and a review for 4 minutes and am still not satisfied.

And can all these dumb dumbs focusing on the PI maybe stop to ask why the Saints threw incomplete on 1st AND 3rd down that series? Force the Rams to be down 3 with no timeouts and only 35 seconds!

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1st & 10 at LAR 13
(1:58 - 4th) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass incomplete short left to M.Thomas.

(1:55 - 4th) Timeout #1 by NO at 01:55.

2nd & 10 at LAR 13
(1:55 - 4th) A.Kamara right end to LA 13 for no gain (M.Barron).

(1:49 - 4th) Timeout #2 by LA at 01:49.

3rd & 10 at LAR 13
(1:48 - 4th) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass incomplete short right to T.Lewis.

What the hell were they doing? Run it 3 times and guarantee that if you get a FG the most LA has is like 50 seconds and no timeouts. Shut up whiny Saints fans y'all got what you deserved.

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« Reply #16705 on: January 25, 2019, 03:45:43 PM »
Patrick is better than basically anyone who ever breathed, but its no guarantee we'll ever get another home AFC Championship game, with 2 (2!) 4th quarter leads. I think we'll be back, we should be the favorite going into 2019, but this narrative that this was the 2014 Royals, and next year we'll be watching Hosmer slide into home is, to me, a bit naive. Even with the best QB in the league getting a home conference championship game is hard. We should've won.

i'm pretty optimistic about the chiefs' chances of sustaining success w mahomes at QB and hosting a ton more playoff games. when arrowhead is truly rocking, it's (obviously) a hard place to play, and the chiefs won't be home underdogs in any game for the next five years. even with this year's team expected to be .500-ish, the chiefs were favored in all their early-season home games by at least a field goal; and overall, they were favored in every game by an average of 8 points.

through six years, andy is 36-12 at home since taking over the chiefs. i'd be shocked if the chiefs finish worse than 6-2 at home in the next several years, and they're likely to sprinkle in occasional 7-1's (like this year) or 8-0's. if you do that, the path to a top-2 seed is pretty easy. beat inferior teams on the road, win a couple coin flip games, and you're sitting at 12-4 or 13-3.

I am no longer satisfied with anything less than the Super Bowl. Lamar Hunt trophy is a minimum.

i'm pretty certain i don't care if the chiefs ever actually win the super bowl. i just want to see them in it, and i want to watch two weeks of nonstop coverage of the chiefs leading up to the super bowl, and i want to buy chiefs super bowl paper plates and chief super bowl themed cups, and i want to walk into my local sporting goods store and see chiefs super bowl tv shirts, and i want to walk into my grocery store and see chiefs balloons and chiefs cakes, and i want to be able to wear my chiefs shirt and have someone stop me on the street and say, "hey, chiefs, big game sunday!", and i want friends and family i haven't talked to in years to text messages like "go chiefs!" and "i'll be rooting for you" (as if i actually play on the team), and i want to see 500 chiefs related super bowl prop bets, and i want to see bud light roll its stupid beer fridges into all the local bars, and finally, i want to spend days torturing myself on how best to actually watch the game - home alone by myself? attend a friend's super bowl party? drive to vegas and watch at a sportsbook? fly to kc and watch at a bar? actually go to the game?

don't get me wrong, it would be cool to win one. but on some level, i feel like this lifelong journey of being a chiefs fan would be over if they actually did. :frown:

don't get me wrong, it would be cool to win one. but on some level, i feel like this lifelong journey of being a chiefs fan would be over if they actually did. :frown:

this is easy to say because they suck, but it's how i feel about the royals. they're still my team, but i don't really care. 2014-15 probably won't ever be topped and i'm okay with that.

I get all that. But I still want the Super Bowl. I was still REALLY into the 2016 and 2017 Royals. If the Chiefs are good, I'll still follow closely.

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« Reply #16706 on: January 25, 2019, 03:48:26 PM »
seeing lots of commentary this morning about the NFL needing to change its overtime rules. i think the overall concept is fine. the only thing i would change is making the team that chooses to receive begin their drive at their own 20 yard line. or maybe you start em even further back, say to the 15 yard line. you have to tweak it to the point where the decision if you win the toss is less obvious.

belichick was an early proponent of kicking off to start OT, depending on conditions and opponent. he's won by kicking off first in OT and he's also lost.

NFL teams score touchdowns on roughly 20 percent of their drives. this year, teams that got ball first in OT scored TDs on their first possession 4 of 17 times (23.5%). these percentages will obviously skew up or down depending on quality of offense or defense, but each coach is free to build their team in accordance with the rules as much as they want.

if the ravens played the pats to a regulation draw and won the toss in OT, my guess is that they would kick off.

i'm obviously not opposed to each team getting a possession in playoff OT. that would be perfectly fine. i don't think that's necessary in regular season games however.

I'm fine with overtime the way it is. In the regular season keep it how it is, in the playoffs, guarantee each team a possession. I've never liked college overtime. It feels gimicky.

And everyone complaining about the overtime, at some point the Chiefs were going to have to get a stop. Even if the Chiefs were guaranteed a possession, we'd need a TD, and unless you go for 2, you'd need a stop AND a score after that to win. It was going to be tough regardless.

Pro overtime is awful. I understand seeing college OT as gimmicky, because it is completely unlike every other setup in football. It is unbelievably exciting, however, and no one could possibly make a case that it is unfair. Unfortunately, that's not the case with the NFL's awful setup.

The "both teams should get the ball" argument is fair, but at some point the Chiefs were going to need a stop. If the Pats scored first we'd need: A TD, an extra point, a stop, another score to win. That's a lot to expect to go right from that point.

My fav change to pro OT would to just play a 10 or 12 min Quarter to completion. If one team runs 8 min off the clock and scores so be it.

It sucks that Mahomes, the best player on the planet, didn't touch the ball in OT. But at SOME POINT the Chiefs would've needed a stop.

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« Reply #16707 on: January 25, 2019, 04:02:43 PM »
I have been against instant replay reviews in baseball from the start. I love baseball and even I can admit its kinda boring, no need to slow it down even more. I'm against it now in football too. I'm still unsatisfied after reviews, and it is such a time suck during games. Make the call, stick with it, and lets keep playing. Sunday the reviews took forever and I'm still unconvinced they were right. Just play sheesh.

Haven't caught up on the thread yet so this may be addressed after your post right here, but if you were at the Chiefs game then I'm guessing you probably weren't watching the end of the Saints game before it. I can tell you that the end of regulation showed the Saints getting absolutely jobbed on a PI no call that is one of the most egregious and costly no calls in the history of sports. Unfortunately, somehow, that was not one of the things the NFL deemed reviewable. I am confident that if you had followed that game and watched that no call, and understood its repercussions, not only would you no longer be against replays, but you'd probably be for expanding it to include more.

Believe it or not I was watching the game inside of Arrowhead stade.

The PI was bad for sure. No one doubts that, but it was an anomaly, a call that bad is unusual and the average PI that gets reviewed will not be that obvious. I get it, I'm a tuck/old timer about that stuff, I just hate how often I watch a game and a review for 4 minutes and am still not satisfied.

And can all these dumb dumbs focusing on the PI maybe stop to ask why the Saints threw incomplete on 1st AND 3rd down that series? Force the Rams to be down 3 with no timeouts and only 35 seconds!

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1st & 10 at LAR 13
(1:58 - 4th) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass incomplete short left to M.Thomas.

(1:55 - 4th) Timeout #1 by NO at 01:55.

2nd & 10 at LAR 13
(1:55 - 4th) A.Kamara right end to LA 13 for no gain (M.Barron).

(1:49 - 4th) Timeout #2 by LA at 01:49.

3rd & 10 at LAR 13
(1:48 - 4th) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass incomplete short right to T.Lewis.

What the hell were they doing? Run it 3 times and guarantee that if you get a FG the most LA has is like 50 seconds and no timeouts. Shut up whiny Saints fans y'all got what you deserved.

also the Saints had the ball first in overtime and still lost bc drew brees threw an interception

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« Reply #16708 on: January 25, 2019, 05:17:58 PM »
Dear kansas citians,

Please stop being creeps.

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« Reply #16709 on: January 25, 2019, 06:41:57 PM »
I'm fine with not bringing back Bailey, Morse, Sherman, Nelson, or Harris. All FAs
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« Reply #16710 on: January 25, 2019, 10:04:55 PM »
I understand seeing college OT as gimmicky, because it is completely unlike every other setup in football.

How does high school OT work?

Crap, forgot about that. Haven't been in high school for a while. :frown: :cyclistcat:
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« Reply #16711 on: January 25, 2019, 10:08:11 PM »
Chiefs suck, nerds.  The only overtime that they would have won is if the NFL decided that the team with the most racist fanbase is the tie breaker.

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« Reply #16712 on: January 25, 2019, 10:09:03 PM »
And the facemask didn't matter, because Brady was converting that 3rd and 7, just like he was doing the entire game.

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« Reply #16713 on: January 25, 2019, 10:22:13 PM »
How long is the ref supposed to allow for the defense to sub?  Can they just always take their time and cause a delay, or force a timeout?

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I'm assuming this is when NE lined up on 4th & 1 and then ran the punt team on.  Refs also give ample time for the defense to sub when the offense subs. Patriots waiting too long to sub out.  Don't wait til 10 on the play clock. 

And the facemask didn't matter, because Brady was converting that 3rd and 7, just like he was doing the entire game.

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Wasn't a facemask.  It was roughing the passer.  And yes, NE was 6-7 on 3rd & long in the game.  Nontheless, it was still a bad call

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« Reply #16714 on: January 25, 2019, 10:35:57 PM »
Yes, i'm drunk, obvs.  I meant roughing.  But there were way more non-calls on Chiefs PI that they didn't call.  I just only see people signing change.org petitions about how the Chiefs got "screwed" and it's like these people honestly think that the NFL wanted the patriots to win so bad that they picked a penalty on 2nd and 7 to ruin the Chiefs framchise.

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« Reply #16715 on: January 26, 2019, 07:35:24 PM »
Yes, i'm drunk, obvs.  I meant roughing.  But there were way more non-calls on Chiefs PI that they didn't call.  I just only see people signing change.org petitions about how the Chiefs got "screwed" and it's like these people honestly think that the NFL wanted the patriots to win so bad that they picked a penalty on 2nd and 7 to ruin the Chiefs framchise.

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I don't think KC got screwed.  The Roughing the passer was a joke.  Edelman overturn gets the "call stands" 90% of the time in Regular Season, but KC gets 1-2 PI if this was regular season game. 

It's just as funny if a "Patriots/non KC " fan was bitching as if a Chiefs fan was bitching that the Refs were unfair.

Chiefs lost mainly because NE was 6-7 on 3rd & 7+ yds to go.   And a 3rd & 10 interception was nullified by a dumb flag. 

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« Reply #16716 on: January 26, 2019, 09:11:29 PM »
1) Houston has 7M cap no matter what. 21M to keep him. Redo his deal, maybe get his cap number down to  14M for 2019
2) Franchise Ford for 16M
3) Cut XWilliams and DirtyDan. Saves 5.2M

We get Ford/Houston. Lose X and Dan.  Only cost us about 4M vs Current Cap. Obviously if Houston doesn't redo his deal, we can't keep both Edge rushers
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« Reply #16717 on: January 27, 2019, 06:54:54 AM »
Chiefs suck, nerds.  The only overtime that they would have won is if the NFL decided that the team with the most racist fanbase is the tie breaker.

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« Reply #16718 on: January 27, 2019, 11:16:04 AM »
Chiefs suck, nerds.  The only overtime that they would have won is if the NFL decided that the team with the most racist fanbase is the tie breaker.

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Uh, wtf?! :confused:

Ya, it's usually drunk white people beating the crap out of each other.

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« Reply #16719 on: January 27, 2019, 11:24:05 AM »
Chiefs suck, nerds.  The only overtime that they would have won is if the NFL decided that the team with the most racist fanbase is the tie breaker.

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Uh, wtf?! :confused:

lmao at Boston being less racist than literally any other place

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« Reply #16721 on: January 28, 2019, 09:47:05 PM »
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« Reply #16722 on: January 29, 2019, 09:26:45 AM »
Doesn't help that the OL is in the flying V formation in that Pro Bowl picture.  At what point are the tackles/TE off the ball and in illegal formation?  There is almost a 2 yard difference between the actual line of scrimmage and the left tackle in that picture.  Below is the Patriot's game.  This is part of the game that is not consistent IMO.  In both instances, Dee Ford is 2 or so yards away from his opponent.  He probably thinks he is on the LOS.

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« Reply #16723 on: January 29, 2019, 09:28:50 AM »
Yeah, referees should start putting an emphasis on making sure offensive linemen are within at least a yard of the line of scrimmage. The pro bowl photo was just ridiculous.

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« Reply #16724 on: February 02, 2019, 06:37:30 PM »
Great day for the Chiefs, Pat gets MVP and OPOY, while Chiefs greats Tony Gonzalez and Ty Law made the Hall of Fame!


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