Author Topic: CHIEFS (Read 1503485 times)

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #6025 on:** July 28, 2014, 01:28:32 PM »

I mean, how many teams can say they missed on players every year? A lot of factors go into a players success. I have a feeling Rodgers might have been pretty shitty under center for us at first. I really believe Favre helped his development. Remember when the chargers took shawne merriman right before we got DJamer? Early in their careers, I thought we got the raw end of the deal and now look at where these two are at. You could play this game all day long. It's not just the Chiefs. We could be the Jets and waste a crap load of first/second round picks on shitty QB's. No thanks tho.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #6026 on:** July 28, 2014, 01:36:03 PM »

Also, if we're giving up on Alex Smith for next year. I rather see the Chiefs go after Kirk Cousins than waste a draft pick on an unknown. I really want Kirk.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #6027 on:** July 28, 2014, 01:39:17 PM »

Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 28, 2014, 01:36:03 PM

Also, if we're giving up on Alex Smith for next year. I rather see the Chiefs go after Kirk Cousins than waste a draft pick on an unknown. I really want Kirk.

Its not wasting a draft pick, its risking a draft pick.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #6028 on:** July 28, 2014, 01:41:07 PM »

Quote from: Cartierfor3 on July 28, 2014, 01:39:17 PM

Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 28, 2014, 01:36:03 PM
Also, if we're giving up on Alex Smith for next year. I rather see the Chiefs go after Kirk Cousins than waste a draft pick on an unknown. I really want Kirk.

Its not wasting a draft pick, its risking a draft pick.

Bud, Whatever it is, Kirk is better than any other prospect we could go after next year. Trust me.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #6029 on:** July 28, 2014, 01:44:21 PM »

Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 28, 2014, 01:41:07 PM

Quote from: Cartierfor3 on July 28, 2014, 01:39:17 PM
Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 28, 2014, 01:36:03 PM
Also, if we're giving up on Alex Smith for next year. I rather see the Chiefs go after Kirk Cousins than waste a draft pick on an unknown. I really want Kirk.

Its not wasting a draft pick, its risking a draft pick.
Bud, Whatever it is, Kirk is better than any other prospect we could go after next year. Trust me.

So you're telling me you'd bet on Kirk Cousins over the entire field of the 2015 draft, that Cousins will be a better NFL QB than any of them?

Please please please please please make this bet a reality.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #6030 on:** July 28, 2014, 01:49:49 PM »

Quote from: Cartierfor3 on July 28, 2014, 01:44:21 PM

Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 28, 2014, 01:41:07 PM
Quote from: Cartierfor3 on July 28, 2014, 01:39:17 PM
Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 28, 2014, 01:36:03 PM
Also, if we're giving up on Alex Smith for next year. I rather see the Chiefs go after Kirk Cousins than waste a draft pick on an unknown. I really want Kirk.

Its not wasting a draft pick, its risking a draft pick.
Bud, Whatever it is, Kirk is better than any other prospect we could go after next year. Trust me.

So you're telling me you'd bet on Kirk Cousins over the entire field of the 2015 draft, that Cousins will be a better NFL QB than any of them?

Please please please please please make this bet a reality.

I'm saying that the chances of him being a performer immediately is more likely than anyone you could take right now out of the 2015 draft. Who do we have? Mariota/Winston? I bet Cousins puts up better numbers starting next year, in a 3 year time frame than these guys do. Mariota will play similar to Kap/wilson, but fits a system. Jameis, who knows? We know he has a good arm, but he's far from a sure thing.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #6031 on:** July 28, 2014, 01:50:49 PM »

Yeah but will you BET on it. Like a real life, authentic, bet.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #6032 on:** July 28, 2014, 01:55:23 PM »

Quote from: Cartierfor3 on July 28, 2014, 01:50:49 PM

Yeah but will you BET on it. Like a real life, authentic, bet.

Sure, but what if the Redskins are still holding Cousins hostage? Cause I gotta tell ya, I'm not totally convinced RGIII is gonna make it too much longer. He screams Vince Young.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #6033 on:** July 28, 2014, 01:58:19 PM »

Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 28, 2014, 01:55:23 PM

Quote from: Cartierfor3 on July 28, 2014, 01:50:49 PM
Yeah but will you BET on it. Like a real life, authentic, bet.
Sure, but what if the Redskins are still holding Cousins hostage? Cause I gotta tell ya, I'm not totally convinced RGIII is gonna make it too much longer. He screams Vince Young.

In all honesty figuring out how we'd decide who would win the bet seems like more work than its worth. It would be like 5 years from now before we could declare a winner. But here's the bottom line fanman: Cousins will probs start some games, maybe win a few, but he's no Super Bowl QB. Therefore, I'd rather go after some young buck with upside.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #6034 on:** July 28, 2014, 02:02:18 PM »

Can you explain to me what a super bowl quarterback is? Cause, like, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Flacco, Manning, etc. are Super Bowl winning QB's. I mean P. Manning has only won one for gosh sakes.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #6035 on:** July 28, 2014, 02:05:30 PM »

Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 28, 2014, 02:02:18 PM

Can you explain to me what a super bowl quarterback is? Cause, like, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Flacco, Manning, etc. are Super Bowl winning QB's. I mean P. Manning has only won one for gosh sakes.

One who could win a super bowl. Dilfer/Johnson played in a different league. The NFL rules aren't like that anymore.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #6036 on:** July 28, 2014, 02:07:27 PM »

Quote from: Cartierfor3 on July 28, 2014, 02:05:30 PM

Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 28, 2014, 02:02:18 PM
Can you explain to me what a super bowl quarterback is? Cause, like, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Flacco, Manning, etc. are Super Bowl winning QB's. I mean P. Manning has only won one for gosh sakes.

One who could win a super bowl. Dilfer/Johnson played in a different league. The NFL rules aren't like that anymore.

Do you think E. Manning and Flacco are top 10 QB's in this league?

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #6037 on:** July 28, 2014, 02:21:39 PM »

Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 28, 2014, 02:07:27 PM

Quote from: Cartierfor3 on July 28, 2014, 02:05:30 PM
Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 28, 2014, 02:02:18 PM
Can you explain to me what a super bowl quarterback is? Cause, like, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Flacco, Manning, etc. are Super Bowl winning QB's. I mean P. Manning has only won one for gosh sakes.

One who could win a super bowl. Dilfer/Johnson played in a different league. The NFL rules aren't like that anymore.
Do you think E. Manning and Flacco are top 10 QB's in this league?

Today? No. When each of those dudes won a super bowl? Absolutely.

8manpick · « **Reply #6038 on:** July 28, 2014, 02:21:54 PM »

Yes for sure

Institutional Control · « **Reply #6039 on:** July 28, 2014, 02:25:05 PM »

Quote from: Cartierfor3 on July 28, 2014, 02:21:39 PM

Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 28, 2014, 02:07:27 PM
Quote from: Cartierfor3 on July 28, 2014, 02:05:30 PM
Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 28, 2014, 02:02:18 PM
Can you explain to me what a super bowl quarterback is? Cause, like, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Flacco, Manning, etc. are Super Bowl winning QB's. I mean P. Manning has only won one for gosh sakes.

One who could win a super bowl. Dilfer/Johnson played in a different league. The NFL rules aren't like that anymore.
Do you think E. Manning and Flacco are top 10 QB's in this league?

Today? No. When each of those dudes won a super bowl? Absolutely.

Didn't Flacco just win 2 seasons ago?

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #6040 on:** July 28, 2014, 02:27:09 PM »

Quote from: Batt BcKee on July 28, 2014, 02:25:05 PM

Quote from: Cartierfor3 on July 28, 2014, 02:21:39 PM
Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 28, 2014, 02:07:27 PM
Quote from: Cartierfor3 on July 28, 2014, 02:05:30 PM
Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 28, 2014, 02:02:18 PM
Can you explain to me what a super bowl quarterback is? Cause, like, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Flacco, Manning, etc. are Super Bowl winning QB's. I mean P. Manning has only won one for gosh sakes.

One who could win a super bowl. Dilfer/Johnson played in a different league. The NFL rules aren't like that anymore.
Do you think E. Manning and Flacco are top 10 QB's in this league?

Today? No. When each of those dudes won a super bowl? Absolutely.

Didn't Flacco just win 2 seasons ago?

Let me google that for you..........

Yes he did. He then signed a giant contract, got lazy, and threw 22 INTs last year.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #6041 on:** July 28, 2014, 02:31:44 PM »

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/11252/joe-flacco Yeah, him and eli hit the fan this year.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #6042 on:** July 28, 2014, 02:34:00 PM »

http://kckingdom.com/2014/07/27/ron-jaworskis-2014-quarterback-rankings/ They're fringe top 10 guys at best!

8manpick · « **Reply #6043 on:** July 28, 2014, 02:38:55 PM »

Can we go back to your Vince Young / RG3 comparo? Please go look at their stats and rethink that idea.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #6044 on:** July 28, 2014, 02:43:45 PM »

Quote from: 8manpick on July 28, 2014, 02:38:55 PM

Can we go back to your Vince Young / RG3 comparo? Please go look at their stats and rethink that idea.

I just don't think he's going to make it. I'm not really comparing them as players. I understand how well RGIII started out his rookie year. I just think he's fragile and the NFL is going to take a toll on him. I could be wrong. I hope I am, he's fun to watch.

8manpick · « **Reply #6045 on:** July 28, 2014, 02:46:07 PM »

Most interesting about that comparison is their respective overall records... Obviously QB play doesn't really matter

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #6046 on:** July 28, 2014, 02:48:05 PM »

Honestly tho. I'm just really bored at work today. Sorry for beating a dead horse. I just think j-dub some how brain washed cf3 to thinking you have to draft an all pro QB to win it all. I don't believe that theory. I think it's a great mix of a lot of things, but it's whatever. I think if you have an awesome defense, a top 15 qb, and great coaching staff around talent, anything is possible.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #6047 on:** July 28, 2014, 02:52:02 PM »

Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 28, 2014, 02:48:05 PM

Honestly tho. I'm just really bored at work today. Sorry for beating a dead horse. I just think j-dub some how brain washed cf3 to thinking you have to draft an all pro QB to win it all. I don't believe that theory. I think it's a great mix of a lot of things, but it's whatever. I think if you have an awesome defense, a top 15 qb, and great coaching staff around talent, anything is possible.

You don't have to draft an all-pro, but our pattern is trading for a backup in his late twenties over and over and over.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #6048 on:** July 28, 2014, 03:04:54 PM »

That's fair. I've liked some of them. Getting Trent Green was the right move. Not putting any $ into the defense was a bad move.

8manpick · « **Reply #6049 on:** July 28, 2014, 03:12:15 PM »

Good old TrINT