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Re: Help cas pick an EPL team...
« Reply #550 on: May 21, 2012, 12:20:28 AM »
 
What are the mascots?

I know you aren't really interested, but strangely enough some.teams, "clubs" to be precise have nicknames and mascots, some don't.  Chelsea has a lion, but aren't called the Chelsea Lions.  Manchester United has a Red Devil and they are known as the Red Devils but not the Manchester United Red Devils.

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« Reply #551 on: May 21, 2012, 12:58:25 AM »
What are the mascots?

Each club has their own kind of fan-generated nicknames for each team, but there aren't any official mascots.

Rooting for Manchester United or Chelsea is great if you don't have a soul. Arsenal is the team of hipsters everywhere who don't want to root for a team outside the traditional top 4. Every EPL fan says Man City is ruining soccer by buying all the best players (they just had some oil barons from Saudi Arabia invest a fuckton of money on them recently), but they were openly rooting for City when the title was up for grabs between them and United. Everton loves America (Tim Howard is goalie, Landon Donovan came over twice on loan) and is very comparable to EMAW in a lot of ways. Fulham and Tottenham are good choices too, although Tottenham is likely about to lose all their best players and Fulham will likely lose Clint Dempsey to one of the big clubs. Newcastle and Aston Villa have insane fans but generally dysfunctional management, everyone kinda hates Sunderland for reasons nobody can really articulate, Swansea is a great story (first Wales team in EPL), Stoke City is kind of a trendy underdog pick, and mostly everyone kinda gives a collective "MEH" at Norwich/West Brom/Wigan/QPR. Wolverhampton would've been a fantastic underdog team to root for if they could've kept things going, but their ownership just plummeted them into the ground and they just got relegated.

Liverpool is basically the Nebraska of EPL teams. Red, obnoxious, smelly, and extremely racist :sdeek:
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« Reply #552 on: May 21, 2012, 01:24:17 AM »
What are the mascots?

Each club has their own kind of fan-generated nicknames for each team, but there aren't any official mascots.

Rooting for Manchester United or Chelsea is great if you don't have a soul. Arsenal is the team of hipsters everywhere who don't want to root for a team outside the traditional top 4. Every EPL fan says Man City is ruining soccer by buying all the best players (they just had some oil barons from Saudi Arabia invest a fuckton of money on them recently), but they were openly rooting for City when the title was up for grabs between them and United. Everton loves America (Tim Howard is goalie, Landon Donovan came over twice on loan) and is very comparable to EMAW in a lot of ways. Fulham and Tottenham are good choices too, although Tottenham is likely about to lose all their best players and Fulham will likely lose Clint Dempsey to one of the big clubs. Newcastle and Aston Villa have insane fans but generally dysfunctional management, everyone kinda hates Sunderland for reasons nobody can really articulate, Swansea is a great story (first Wales team in EPL), Stoke City is kind of a trendy underdog pick, and mostly everyone kinda gives a collective "MEH" at Norwich/West Brom/Wigan/QPR. Wolverhampton would've been a fantastic underdog team to root for if they could've kept things going, but their ownership just plummeted them into the ground and they just got relegated.

Liverpool is basically the Nebraska of EPL teams. Red, obnoxious, smelly, and extremely racist :sdeek:

There's a lot wrong with this, the greatest of which is comparing EMAW to rough ridin' Everton.  EMAW is no where near that helpless.  There are Everton fans in their 20s who not only know they are going to die without seeing Everton winning anything but they know their unborn children will face the same fate.  I mean why not compare us to Leeds or Crystal Palace?

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Re: Help cas pick an EPL team...
« Reply #553 on: May 21, 2012, 01:36:00 AM »
What are the mascots?

Each club has their own kind of fan-generated nicknames for each team, but there aren't any official mascots.

Rooting for Manchester United or Chelsea is great if you don't have a soul. Arsenal is the team of hipsters everywhere who don't want to root for a team outside the traditional top 4. Every EPL fan says Man City is ruining soccer by buying all the best players (they just had some oil barons from Saudi Arabia invest a fuckton of money on them recently), but they were openly rooting for City when the title was up for grabs between them and United. Everton loves America (Tim Howard is goalie, Landon Donovan came over twice on loan) and is very comparable to EMAW in a lot of ways. Fulham and Tottenham are good choices too, although Tottenham is likely about to lose all their best players and Fulham will likely lose Clint Dempsey to one of the big clubs. Newcastle and Aston Villa have insane fans but generally dysfunctional management, everyone kinda hates Sunderland for reasons nobody can really articulate, Swansea is a great story (first Wales team in EPL), Stoke City is kind of a trendy underdog pick, and mostly everyone kinda gives a collective "MEH" at Norwich/West Brom/Wigan/QPR. Wolverhampton would've been a fantastic underdog team to root for if they could've kept things going, but their ownership just plummeted them into the ground and they just got relegated.

Liverpool is basically the Nebraska of EPL teams. Red, obnoxious, smelly, and extremely racist :sdeek:

There's a lot wrong with this, the greatest of which is comparing EMAW to rough ridin' Everton.  EMAW is no where near that helpless.  There are Everton fans in their 20s who not only know they are going to die without seeing Everton winning anything but they know their unborn children will face the same fate.  I mean why not compare us to Leeds or Crystal Palace?

 :jerk:

It's a better analogy for EMAW basketball than football, I'll admit that. But you're also undervaluing what Everton does every year. They go on a shoestring budget and finish in an above average position like 7th or somewhere around there just about every year. They'll occasionally hit gold like in 1995 or 1985 but generally won't sniff the top that much. Which is what EMAW does in both sports.

Also, comparing Everton to Leeds or Crystal Palace shows you know hardly anything about them. Everton hasn't been relegated since rough ridin' 1954, which is a longer streak than most of the big clubs including Man U.
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Re: Help cas pick an EPL team...
« Reply #554 on: May 21, 2012, 03:15:11 AM »
To help SD and others, I decided to compare EPL to Big 12 teams, past, present, and (possibly) future :gocho:

Yes, I know that the rivalries don't really fit in these analogies, I focused more on which programs are closest to each other.



Manchester City: Oklahoma State. New money abounds and is quickly putting both teams into the top levels of their respective sports. Hardly any history to speak of before they got their cash injection. Everyone wags their fingers at them for ruining their respective sports by buying great teams, but not so secretly hopes that they beat the crap out of Man United/Texas anyway.

Manchester United: Texas They are the Joneses. They have the money, the prestige, and the gigantic fanbase, 10% of which has actually stepped foot in Austin/Manchester. Always perceived to be a force to be reckoned with every year based on money and talent availability alone. Is somewhat unsettled by the rise of Manchester City/Oklahoma State and hates the crap out of the more blue collar Oklahoma/Liverpool fanbase(s).

Arsenal: Notre Dame. Very successful historically, but has underachieved in recent years (especially on Notre Dame's end, Arsenal's troubles aren't nearly as bad). Massive nationwide/worldwide fanbases and will always be relevant barring a major disaster.

Tottenham Hotspur: Missouri. History oscillates between very solid and mediocre/bad, but is a generally strong brand today. Has become extremely competitive as of late and started to crack the upper echelon of their leagues. Fanbase used to getting kicked in the nuts. Future prospects uncertain at best, dim at worst. Despises the crap out of Arsenal/Texas.

Newcastle United: Clemson. A program generally regarded as high-major, but hasn't won anything of substance since before the 1990's. Prone to very strange bouts of management/coaching. Underachieves way more than they should. Each season has a high potential for large amounts of popcorn.

Chelsea: Florida State. A very solid program that is very new money. Waited until the latter part of the 20th century to start amassing titles. Large bandwagon fanbase and an embarrassing wealth of resources, yet sometimes underachieves despite possibly having the most talented team in the nation/world.

Everton: EMAW. Deceptively strong history that nobody outside of the region really knows about (7th most successful club in English history, major success for emaw basketball before 1980's/DOD) to cement them as a solidly above-average program, overachieves every year in recent years while running on a budget that would bring a tear of joy to John Currie's eye. Fans are loyal and can make for a fierce home environment that absolutely nobody in the EPL likes playing in. Note: This analogy works much better for EMAW basketball than football in terms of history, but whatever.

Liverpool (I said Nebraska earlier to fire up sd, but it doesn't quite fit): Oklahoma. The most successful program in terms of titles since the start of the 20th century. Consistently dominate their league but has stumbled lately, if ever so slightly. Bandwagon is large but more contained to their respective regions than Man U or Chelsea. Racism is off the charts :shakesfist:

Fulham: West Virginia. Absolutely no history to speak of, but has recently vaulted to the big leagues in soccer/football. Is quickly gaining prominence and becoming upper-middle-class in their respective sports.

West Brom: Baylor. Both have a serviceable history but hadn't won crap in a LONG time until this year when they finished surprisingly high in the standings.

Swansea: TCU. Seemingly came out of nowhere (Wales, mid-major conferences) and hit the lottery to make it to the big leagues. Fanbase is small but loyal. Generally regarded as a cool underdog story by non-locals.

Norwich: Texas Tech. Quirky local fans, minimal history, and nobody ever really knows what the eff they're doing nor cares unless they come out of nowhere to shock people (like Norwich did in much of the 2nd half of this season/Tech did in 2008).

Sunderland: Texas A&M. Fans are loyal to a fault and are generally disliked by everyone else. Had some decent success early in their history, but hasn't been relevant in top flight competition for a long rough ridin' time.

Stoke City: Louisville. Has generally won eff-all in their history and is generally middling when it comes to big time football/soccer, but occasionally makes noise. Generally has deeper pockets than a number of programs with similar stature due to corporate investments.

Wigan: Iowa State. Absolutely nobody gives a crap except the locals. Can be a major pain in the ass to high-end teams at times.

Aston Villa: Nebraska. Fans are batshit and their history is very strong, but hasn't won anything of note since the late 1990's.

QPR: KU. Won some stuff back in the 1960's that nobody remembers. Largely irrelevant on a national scale. Facilities are low-end.

Bolton: Maryland. Hasn't won anything big since the 1950's, but had a period of relative competence from 2000 to 2010.

Blackburn: Colorado. Came out of nowhere and won a title in the 1990's and has a simultaneously solid yet turbulent history. Have been fighting to maintain even a semblance of relevance in recent years, and have generally failed.

Wolverhampton: Georgia Tech. Has had some surprisingly strong periods in their history, but have struggled to maintain national relevance in the 2000's.
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Re: Help cas pick an EPL team...
« Reply #555 on: May 21, 2012, 07:44:08 AM »
thanks 42.  can someone make a list of the fan generated nicknames?  on BBC they always call teams weird names that makes it very difficult to figure out who they are talking about.

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Re: Help cas pick an EPL team...
« Reply #556 on: May 21, 2012, 07:58:07 AM »
i hate you for making a viable comparison between mizzou and spurs

though i've always felt like spurs and emaw were close. angry, rabid fans with a permanent chip on the shoulder, small but loud home stadium, old tactical genius at the helm with not much time left on the sideline, generally trodden upon demeanor. there are good cases for both everton and spurs.

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« Reply #557 on: May 21, 2012, 08:27:28 AM »
thanks 42.  can someone make a list of the fan generated nicknames?  on BBC they always call teams weird names that makes it very difficult to figure out who they are talking about.
i'll do my best

Arsenal - The Gooners. Can make French jokes because they have a strong French connection because of Arsene Wenger, plus they're huge cunty faggots.

Aston Villa - The Villains. That's pretty much it. They are always a fairly strong side until this year. Deserved to be relegated.

Blackburn Rovers - The Rovers/The Riversiders.

Bolton Wanderers - The Wanderers/The Trotters. Slight American connection with Stuart Holden.

Chelsea - The Blues, The Chavs (the second one is a common one that i've heard around Spurs fans from London. Chelsea fans aren't exactly favorites over there.) Also, they are called "Chelski" pretty often, due to the Russian connection via Roman Abramovich.

Everton - The Evertonians, the Toffies, The Blues. Stand up fanbase, and strong American connection due to Tim Howard and Landon Donovan.

Fulham - The Cottagers, and Fulhamerica is a popular one due to Clint Dempsey.

Liverpool - The Reds, The Scousers, The Bin Dippers (poor, uncivilized)

Manchester City - City, The Citizens. Also can be made fun of for a strong Arab connection because of the Sheikh (their owner), but that got them a PL title, so I don't think they'd complain.

Manchester United - The Red Devils, The Mancs, United.

Newcastle United - Magpies, The Toon, The Geordies (regional slang for people for the Tyneside region.)

Norwich City - The Canaries.

Queens Park Rangers - QPR, The Super Hoops, Hoops.

Stoke City - The Potters, Stoke.

Sunderland - The Black Cats, the Light Brigade (they play in the Stadium of Light)

Swansea City - Swans.

Tottenham Hotspur - Spurs, the Yids, the Jews, Spuds, Lillywhites. They have a Jewish identity because of the Tottenham area in North London (they are the TRUE North London Club.)

West Bromwich Albion - The Baggies.

Wigan Athletic - The Latics.

Wolverhampton Wanderers - Wolves.

Some of them aren't too exciting, and I'm sure I'm missing some. This was from memory, so feel free to correct me if I missed anything.
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Re: Help cas pick an EPL team...
« Reply #558 on: May 21, 2012, 08:35:22 AM »
Who are/is Topman (sp?). Is that Tottenham and I'm just hearing Topman?

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« Reply #559 on: May 21, 2012, 08:39:55 AM »
Who are/is Topman (sp?). Is that Tottenham and I'm just hearing Topman?
yes, also tott'nam, spuhs, and hautspuhs

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Re: Help cas pick an EPL team...
« Reply #560 on: May 21, 2012, 10:07:43 AM »
thanks 42.  can someone make a list of the fan generated nicknames?  on BBC they always call teams weird names that makes it very difficult to figure out who they are talking about.
Chelsea - The Blues, The Chavs (the second one is a common one that i've heard around Spurs fans from London. Chelsea fans aren't exactly favorites over there.) Also, they are called "Chelski" pretty often, due to the Russian connection via Roman Abramovich.

While it is true that the "Chelski" nickname was revitalized once Roman took over, it actually dates back to a 1930's newspaper headline announcing a Chelsea summer tour of Poland.


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« Reply #561 on: May 21, 2012, 10:21:50 AM »
thanks 42.  can someone make a list of the fan generated nicknames?  on BBC they always call teams weird names that makes it very difficult to figure out who they are talking about.
Chelsea - The Blues, The Chavs (the second one is a common one that i've heard around Spurs fans from London. Chelsea fans aren't exactly favorites over there.) Also, they are called "Chelski" pretty often, due to the Russian connection via Roman Abramovich.

While it is true that the "Chelski" nickname was revitalized once Roman took over, it actually dates back to a 1930's newspaper headline announcing a Chelsea summer tour of Poland.


damn i didn't know that. thanks for the clarification.


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« Reply #562 on: May 21, 2012, 11:46:03 AM »
What are the mascots?

Each club has their own kind of fan-generated nicknames for each team, but there aren't any official mascots.

Rooting for Manchester United or Chelsea is great if you don't have a soul. Arsenal is the team of hipsters everywhere who don't want to root for a team outside the traditional top 4. Every EPL fan says Man City is ruining soccer by buying all the best players (they just had some oil barons from Saudi Arabia invest a fuckton of money on them recently), but they were openly rooting for City when the title was up for grabs between them and United. Everton loves America (Tim Howard is goalie, Landon Donovan came over twice on loan) and is very comparable to EMAW in a lot of ways. Fulham and Tottenham are good choices too, although Tottenham is likely about to lose all their best players and Fulham will likely lose Clint Dempsey to one of the big clubs. Newcastle and Aston Villa have insane fans but generally dysfunctional management, everyone kinda hates Sunderland for reasons nobody can really articulate, Swansea is a great story (first Wales team in EPL), Stoke City is kind of a trendy underdog pick, and mostly everyone kinda gives a collective "MEH" at Norwich/West Brom/Wigan/QPR. Wolverhampton would've been a fantastic underdog team to root for if they could've kept things going, but their ownership just plummeted them into the ground and they just got relegated.

Liverpool is basically the Nebraska of EPL teams. Red, obnoxious, smelly, and extremely racist :sdeek:

There's a lot wrong with this, the greatest of which is comparing EMAW to rough ridin' Everton.  EMAW is no where near that helpless.  There are Everton fans in their 20s who not only know they are going to die without seeing Everton winning anything but they know their unborn children will face the same fate.  I mean why not compare us to Leeds or Crystal Palace?

 :jerk:

It's a better analogy for EMAW basketball than football, I'll admit that. But you're also undervaluing what Everton does every year. They go on a shoestring budget and finish in an above average position like 7th or somewhere around there just about every year. They'll occasionally hit gold like in 1995 or 1985 but generally won't sniff the top that much. Which is what EMAW does in both sports.

Also, comparing Everton to Leeds or Crystal Palace shows you know hardly anything about them. Everton hasn't been relegated since rough ridin' 1954, which is a longer streak than most of the big clubs including Man U.

Don't be football guy, I know full well that Everton isn't as bad as Crystal Palace it was for effect.  I think Leeds is a fair comparison.  The fact that Everton has not been relegated doesn't change the fact that they've been very ordinary for nearly the entire life of the club.  Like I said there will be generations of Everton fans who can only dream of lifting an FA Cup before they die.  Leeds have won a league title and won the FA Cup since Everton has done any of this.

Please don't compare EMAW hoops to that perpetually meh side.  I would trade some awful years if I knew there would be some brilliance mixed in, rather than knowing you're never going to win big.  Everton is Texas Tech.

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« Reply #563 on: May 21, 2012, 12:36:19 PM »
What are the mascots?

Each club has their own kind of fan-generated nicknames for each team, but there aren't any official mascots.

Rooting for Manchester United or Chelsea is great if you don't have a soul. Arsenal is the team of hipsters everywhere who don't want to root for a team outside the traditional top 4. Every EPL fan says Man City is ruining soccer by buying all the best players (they just had some oil barons from Saudi Arabia invest a fuckton of money on them recently), but they were openly rooting for City when the title was up for grabs between them and United. Everton loves America (Tim Howard is goalie, Landon Donovan came over twice on loan) and is very comparable to EMAW in a lot of ways. Fulham and Tottenham are good choices too, although Tottenham is likely about to lose all their best players and Fulham will likely lose Clint Dempsey to one of the big clubs. Newcastle and Aston Villa have insane fans but generally dysfunctional management, everyone kinda hates Sunderland for reasons nobody can really articulate, Swansea is a great story (first Wales team in EPL), Stoke City is kind of a trendy underdog pick, and mostly everyone kinda gives a collective "MEH" at Norwich/West Brom/Wigan/QPR. Wolverhampton would've been a fantastic underdog team to root for if they could've kept things going, but their ownership just plummeted them into the ground and they just got relegated.

Liverpool is basically the Nebraska of EPL teams. Red, obnoxious, smelly, and extremely racist :sdeek:

There's a lot wrong with this, the greatest of which is comparing EMAW to rough ridin' Everton.  EMAW is no where near that helpless.  There are Everton fans in their 20s who not only know they are going to die without seeing Everton winning anything but they know their unborn children will face the same fate.  I mean why not compare us to Leeds or Crystal Palace?

 :jerk:

It's a better analogy for EMAW basketball than football, I'll admit that. But you're also undervaluing what Everton does every year. They go on a shoestring budget and finish in an above average position like 7th or somewhere around there just about every year. They'll occasionally hit gold like in 1995 or 1985 but generally won't sniff the top that much. Which is what EMAW does in both sports.

Also, comparing Everton to Leeds or Crystal Palace shows you know hardly anything about them. Everton hasn't been relegated since rough ridin' 1954, which is a longer streak than most of the big clubs including Man U.

Don't be football guy, I know full well that Everton isn't as bad as Crystal Palace it was for effect.  I think Leeds is a fair comparison.  The fact that Everton has not been relegated doesn't change the fact that they've been very ordinary for nearly the entire life of the club.  Like I said there will be generations of Everton fans who can only dream of lifting an FA Cup before they die.  Leeds have won a league title and won the FA Cup since Everton has done any of this.

Please don't compare EMAW hoops to that perpetually meh side.  I would trade some awful years if I knew there would be some brilliance mixed in, rather than knowing you're never going to win big.  Everton is Texas Tech.

Everton is the 7th most successful English club in history, and you're going to compare them to Texas rough ridin' Tech :facepalm:? I'm not going to argue that Everton has been prone to periods of prolonged mediocrity, but so has EMAW. My analogy, while not perfect, is viable, while yours isn't even close.

i hate you for making a viable comparison between mizzou and spurs

though i've always felt like spurs and emaw were close. angry, rabid fans with a permanent chip on the shoulder, small but loud home stadium, old tactical genius at the helm with not much time left on the sideline, generally trodden upon demeanor. there are good cases for both everton and spurs.

Yeah I was cringing the whole time while writing the Tottenham section since I like them and all. And yeah there are some parallels with Tottenham and EMAW, but I think if you looked at overall perception of the clubs by outsiders then Tottenham aligns better with Missouri. The fanbases aren't comparable, though, since Tottenham fans seem to be generally cool (except on TMB) and we all know about the collective idiocy of the Missouri fanbase.

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Re: Help cas pick an EPL team...
« Reply #564 on: May 21, 2012, 05:27:26 PM »
kansas state is more like fulham.

terrible history. no championships.  overachieves though.  lost the europa league final aka (1998 Dr. Pepper)

does the best with what they've got.  spent the last 10 years in the premier league.  their version of the DoD.
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« Reply #565 on: May 21, 2012, 06:48:29 PM »
there are more good tottenham fans on tmb than bad ones

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« Reply #568 on: May 25, 2012, 07:09:46 AM »
I think I need to watch some matches before I can decide who I'm for.  What channel are these things on?  That Fox Soccer channel?  When do they start again?

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« Reply #569 on: May 25, 2012, 08:23:47 AM »
I think I need to watch some matches before I can decide who I'm for.  What channel are these things on?  That Fox Soccer channel?  When do they start again?

Middle to late August.

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« Reply #570 on: May 25, 2012, 08:52:46 AM »
what days of the week do they play? 

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« Reply #571 on: May 25, 2012, 09:06:10 AM »
what days of the week do they play?


Mainly Saturdays and Sundays. But any day of the week really.

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« Reply #572 on: May 25, 2012, 11:57:00 AM »
For a typical week of league games, there is a big chunk of games on Saturday, usually 1 or 2 on Sunday, and then 1 on Monday (on ESPN2).

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« Reply #573 on: May 28, 2012, 04:11:28 PM »
:cheers: :cheers:

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« Reply #574 on: May 29, 2012, 10:15:31 AM »
i can't believe chelsea snatched hazard from the manchesters

never should have given you russians money