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Re: Let's talk about Elon Musk
« Reply #725 on: February 09, 2025, 07:35:02 AM »
Just give us the waste - fraud - abuse (#blueanon/#blueanongE)

Note to viewers (again) GAO said $236 billion went to suspicious recipients in FFY ‘23

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dax, if President Elon makes cuts to the military budget, I can't wait to post about it in the Common Ground thread with you. Until then, stopping AIDS treatment to 2 million people, which includes 500,000 kids, doesn't seem like a priority to me. But Trump and Elon are ssssssooooo brilliant, so maybe I'm wrong.

It's absolutely WILD to me that the pro-life party that elected these doofuses have said eff all about children not getting AIDS treatment. Nay, they've cheered it. But maybe I've misunderstood, it's not like the church to be hypocritical.
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Re: Let's talk about Elon Musk
« Reply #726 on: February 09, 2025, 08:02:08 AM »
Just give us the waste - fraud - abuse (#blueanon/#blueanongE)

Note to viewers (again) GAO said $236 billion went to suspicious recipients in FFY ‘23

Pentagon - 7 straight failed audits

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1888314848477376744?s=46&t=-jwPwnR3rKHM9sk9hA7h8g


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dax, if President Elon makes cuts to the military budget, I can't wait to post about it in the Common Ground thread with you. Until then, stopping AIDS treatment to 2 million people, which includes 500,000 kids, doesn't seem like a priority to me. But Trump and Elon are ssssssooooo brilliant, so maybe I'm wrong.

It's absolutely WILD to me that the pro-life party that elected these doofuses have said eff all about children not getting AIDS treatment. Nay, they've cheered it. But maybe I've misunderstood, it's not like the church to be hypocritical.
It’s well established that pro life is only pro birth. After that it’s in God’s hands


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Re: Let's talk about Elon Musk
« Reply #727 on: February 09, 2025, 08:12:07 AM »
I don’t think it’s the US government’s job/responsibility to fund the eradication of disease throughout the world.  Working to reduce AIDS in Uganda (and every other disease everywhere else) is certainly a noble thing to do, but I don’t think we’re necessarily obliged to do that. 

I do think it’s the US government’s job to prohibit its citizens from affirmatively killing other innocent human beings.

I don’t think there’s an inconsistency there.


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« Reply #728 on: February 09, 2025, 08:32:08 AM »
The AIDs relief will continue even if it's not through USAID.  The US Govt isn't going to cease PEPFAR.
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« Reply #729 on: February 09, 2025, 09:44:26 AM »
I don’t think it’s the US government’s job/responsibility to fund the eradication of disease throughout the world.  Working to reduce AIDS in Uganda (and every other disease everywhere else) is certainly a noble thing to do, but I don’t think we’re necessarily obliged to do that. 

I do think it’s the US government’s job to prohibit its citizens from affirmatively killing other innocent human beings.

I don’t think there’s an inconsistency there.

I think the frustrating thing that I find is that the US is big on collective action when it comes to arming and funding wars, if we want to start retreating from that way of engaging the world too then I guess I understand it. But the idea that the United States will just have an infinite amount of power to just act upon the world with no negative consequences is the most insane part of the strategy Trump has embarked upon.

I was not in love with the neoliberal consensus, I think the UN and the myriad international agreements and treaties were imperfect at best, but it at least used to mean something and the US at least pretended to follow it.  I could of course back it up to Reagan or LBJ or Nixon or some of the wild stuff we've done in the past, but I think the presidents of my adult life tell the story well of how we gave up on international law.

Bush-torture, Iraq, Guantanamo, NSA surveillance, FISA,
Obama- drone strikes/kill lists, triple tapping weddings and funerals, JSOC expansion/consolidation of executive actions, allowing? ordering? his own CIA spy on the Senate investigating, not doing much of anything to re-set and roll back expansion of executive power, not doing anything to reign in settlement construction or make support for Israel contingent on compliance with international law
Trump- undoing the one achievement of the Iran treaty, continuing with drone strikes, giving Israel carte blanche, threatening nuclear war here and there as a treat
Biden- accepted total blame for two decades Afghanistan policy and pulled troops out, but literally everything else was pretty much a total disaster--China, Israel/Gaza, Saudi, Ukraine, Iran, Japan (Nippon steel deal), Korea, all absolute failures of any sort of coherent policy, toothless and impotent

The United States is losing the ability to even craft international agreements because everyone understands that we are an unreliable partner that will blow up pretty much anything depending upon which way the wind blows and we won't actually abide by any international constraint or agreement if we don't think it suits are own short term interest or just want to play domestic politics with it even if it doesn't even make sense to change policy.

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« Reply #730 on: February 09, 2025, 09:55:59 AM »
The thing about propping up other parts of the world through food health and education programs is that they promoted cooperation and democracy in those places.

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« Reply #731 on: February 09, 2025, 10:02:21 AM »
The thing about propping up other parts of the world through food health and education programs is that they promoted cooperation and democracy in those places.

Now that we’re leaving, China will take our spot

Exactly. It's not just saving lives. It's diplomacy. Should we not invest in that and is not an efficient means to do that? That's the government obligation. The saving lives aspect is a great bonus.

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« Reply #732 on: February 09, 2025, 10:14:08 AM »
Wouldn't you know it, Elon thinks possibly the most successful government program in US history is full of FRAUD!

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« Reply #733 on: February 09, 2025, 10:55:29 AM »
He is free to say or believe whatever he wants. We shouldn't forget that it's ultimately the executive and legislative branches that are empowering him.

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« Reply #734 on: February 09, 2025, 10:59:06 AM »
All three branches are
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« Reply #735 on: February 09, 2025, 11:10:29 AM »
He is free to say or believe whatever he wants. We shouldn't forget that it's ultimately the executive and legislative branches that are empowering him.

Sure? But do you really think Trump has a clue?

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« Reply #736 on: February 09, 2025, 11:27:55 AM »
He is free to say or believe whatever he wants. We shouldn't forget that it's ultimately the executive and legislative branches that are empowering him.

Sure? But do you really think Trump has a clue?

I do. I think it's all coordinated. Republicans and Trump see this as an opportunity to finally get rid of some "entitlement programs." There's no way Trump would be able to bite the bullet and share the spotlight with Musk if he wasn't in on it. We'll find out how long his narcissism will allow it!

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« Reply #737 on: February 09, 2025, 11:38:27 AM »
All three branches are

From what I've seen, courts thus far are putting a pause on things DOGE is attempting.

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« Reply #738 on: February 09, 2025, 11:52:14 AM »
I don’t think it’s the US government’s job/responsibility to fund the eradication of disease throughout the world.  Working to reduce AIDS in Uganda (and every other disease everywhere else) is certainly a noble thing to do, but I don’t think we’re necessarily obliged to do that. 

I do think it’s the US government’s job to prohibit its citizens from affirmatively killing other innocent human beings.

I don’t think there’s an inconsistency there.

I think the frustrating thing that I find is that the US is big on collective action when it comes to arming and funding wars, if we want to start retreating from that way of engaging the world too then I guess I understand it. But the idea that the United States will just have an infinite amount of power to just act upon the world with no negative consequences is the most insane part of the strategy Trump has embarked upon.

I was not in love with the neoliberal consensus, I think the UN and the myriad international agreements and treaties were imperfect at best, but it at least used to mean something and the US at least pretended to follow it.  I could of course back it up to Reagan or LBJ or Nixon or some of the wild stuff we've done in the past, but I think the presidents of my adult life tell the story well of how we gave up on international law.

Bush-torture, Iraq, Guantanamo, NSA surveillance, FISA,
Obama- drone strikes/kill lists, triple tapping weddings and funerals, JSOC expansion/consolidation of executive actions, allowing? ordering? his own CIA spy on the Senate investigating, not doing much of anything to re-set and roll back expansion of executive power, not doing anything to reign in settlement construction or make support for Israel contingent on compliance with international law
Trump- undoing the one achievement of the Iran treaty, continuing with drone strikes, giving Israel carte blanche, threatening nuclear war here and there as a treat
Biden- accepted total blame for two decades Afghanistan policy and pulled troops out, but literally everything else was pretty much a total disaster--China, Israel/Gaza, Saudi, Ukraine, Iran, Japan (Nippon steel deal), Korea, all absolute failures of any sort of coherent policy, toothless and impotent


The United States is losing the ability to even craft international agreements because everyone understands that we are an unreliable partner that will blow up pretty much anything depending upon which way the wind blows and we won't actually abide by any international constraint or agreement if we don't think it suits are own short term interest or just want to play domestic politics with it even if it doesn't even make sense to change policy.

We are watching an empire die.

Not trying to diminish your post but I read that entire bolded part to the tune and cadence of We Didn’t Start The Fire

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« Reply #739 on: February 09, 2025, 12:11:04 PM »
All three branches are

From what I've seen, courts thus far are putting a pause on things DOGE is attempting.

Do you think the Supreme Court will uphold them?
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« Reply #740 on: February 09, 2025, 01:10:52 PM »
I don’t think it’s the US government’s job/responsibility to fund the eradication of disease throughout the world.  Working to reduce AIDS in Uganda (and every other disease everywhere else) is certainly a noble thing to do, but I don’t think we’re necessarily obliged to do that. 

I do think it’s the US government’s job to prohibit its citizens from affirmatively killing other innocent human beings.

I don’t think there’s an inconsistency there.

I think the frustrating thing that I find is that the US is big on collective action when it comes to arming and funding wars, if we want to start retreating from that way of engaging the world too then I guess I understand it. But the idea that the United States will just have an infinite amount of power to just act upon the world with no negative consequences is the most insane part of the strategy Trump has embarked upon.

I was not in love with the neoliberal consensus, I think the UN and the myriad international agreements and treaties were imperfect at best, but it at least used to mean something and the US at least pretended to follow it.  I could of course back it up to Reagan or LBJ or Nixon or some of the wild stuff we've done in the past, but I think the presidents of my adult life tell the story well of how we gave up on international law.

Bush-torture, Iraq, Guantanamo, NSA surveillance, FISA,
Obama- drone strikes/kill lists, triple tapping weddings and funerals, JSOC expansion/consolidation of executive actions, allowing? ordering? his own CIA spy on the Senate investigating, not doing much of anything to re-set and roll back expansion of executive power, not doing anything to reign in settlement construction or make support for Israel contingent on compliance with international law
Trump- undoing the one achievement of the Iran treaty, continuing with drone strikes, giving Israel carte blanche, threatening nuclear war here and there as a treat
Biden- accepted total blame for two decades Afghanistan policy and pulled troops out, but literally everything else was pretty much a total disaster--China, Israel/Gaza, Saudi, Ukraine, Iran, Japan (Nippon steel deal), Korea, all absolute failures of any sort of coherent policy, toothless and impotent


The United States is losing the ability to even craft international agreements because everyone understands that we are an unreliable partner that will blow up pretty much anything depending upon which way the wind blows and we won't actually abide by any international constraint or agreement if we don't think it suits are own short term interest or just want to play domestic politics with it even if it doesn't even make sense to change policy.

We are watching an empire die.

Not trying to diminish your post but I read that entire bolded part to the tune and cadence of We Didn’t Start The Fire

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« Reply #741 on: February 09, 2025, 01:31:06 PM »
All three branches are

From what I've seen, courts thus far are putting a pause on things DOGE is attempting.

Do you think the Supreme Court will uphold them?

I don't think it's a given that they'll side with DOGE.

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Let's talk about Elon Musk
« Reply #742 on: February 10, 2025, 08:03:01 AM »
All three branches are

From what I've seen, courts thus far are putting a pause on things DOGE is attempting.

Do you think the Supreme Court will uphold them?

I don't think it's a given that they'll side with DOGE.
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« Reply #743 on: February 10, 2025, 09:23:18 AM »
It didn't take long to start unraveling the grift . . . That's why there's so much  :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: from #blueanon. Unfortunately they probably won't get to the DOD or be able to target things like Ukraine. I would fully expect that it's a rabbit hole for the ages . . .

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« Reply #744 on: February 10, 2025, 09:47:02 AM »
It didn't take long to start unraveling the grift . . . That's why there's so much  :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: from #blueanon. Unfortunately they probably won't get to the DOD or be able to target things like Ukraine. I would fully expect that it's a rabbit hole for the ages . . .

https://eko.substack.com/p/override
It’s preposterous that they didn’t start with the DOD. Both the DOD and Ukraine should be prioritized way ahead of the couch coins that they’re going after right now.

To me, this implies that the current cutbacks are merely for political effect.

I want to see real action, not just owning the libs.

They are wasting Elon and the doge’s resources by focusing on this crap right now they should be using all available horsepower to analyze the DOD and identify opportunities to cancel contracts and find new vendors who can do it at a fraction of the price. That sort of focus would save exponentially more money than the current app approach.

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« Reply #745 on: February 10, 2025, 09:48:20 AM »
And Dax, don’t get all mad at me for suggesting a common sense approach and prioritization. You know as well as I do that there’s no real money to be made until they rough ridin' gut the department of defense contracts and vendor agreements.

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« Reply #746 on: February 10, 2025, 10:00:39 AM »
And Dax, don’t get all mad at me for suggesting a common sense approach and prioritization. You know as well as I do that there’s no real money to be made until they rough ridin' gut the department of defense contracts and vendor agreements.

Right, to spend all this time and effort going after the few things we actually charitably do well vs idk, the one thing that we spend more on that the next what, 10 countries combined on doesn't seem politically motivated at all or inefficient to me. Totally legitimate things.
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« Reply #747 on: February 10, 2025, 10:03:06 AM »
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c15zypvgxz5o.amp

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« Reply #748 on: February 10, 2025, 10:07:06 AM »
nbd, just goofin' with the full faith and credit of the dollar.

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« Reply #749 on: February 10, 2025, 10:18:09 AM »


It didn't take long to start unraveling the grift . . . That's why there's so much  :bawl: :bawl: :bawl: from #blueanon. Unfortunately they probably won't get to the DOD or be able to target things like Ukraine. I would fully expect that it's a rabbit hole for the ages . . .

https://eko.substack.com/p/override
It’s preposterous that they didn’t start with the DOD. Both the DOD and Ukraine should be prioritized way ahead of the couch coins that they’re going after right now.

To me, this implies that the current cutbacks are merely for political effect.

I want to see real action, not just owning the libs.

They are wasting Elon and the doge’s resources by focusing on this crap right now they should be using all available horsepower to analyze the DOD and identify opportunities to cancel contracts and find new vendors who can do it at a fraction of the price. That sort of focus would save exponentially more money than the current app approach.

They're not wasting Musk's resources because this is what Musk wants to focus on.  His goal is to wage his culture war, he doesn't give a crap about the budget.