Let's talk about Elon Musk

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Maybe also shitloads of people we don't know about b/c they just do their own thing enjoying their money on a beach or whatever?

[Pete]

Imagine being the world's richest person, having a level of power and influence on par with a Roman emperor and you are one of the most insecure people alive. Desperate for adulation and worship, lashing out at anyone who criticizes or questions them and spend a good chunk of your day reading and posting on twitter.

What could possibly go wrong? We have entire genres of ancient literature dedicated to this.

Is it your opinion that at any given point in time in history that people with immense power were free from the attributes that you ascribe to Elon Musk?

Warren Buffet? Steve Ballmer?

I don’t think those dudes have really that much power at all so if your contention is that they are equal with Elon Musk in power then I really think you guys are making too big of a deal out of Elon Musk.

[michigancat]

Rusty in your opinion, what are the top three, five, 10 even, things that make cultures change?

I haven't thought of it too deeply but holocausts would have to be near the top. So is starting World Wars.

Excellent I agree with that. Therefore, it’s probably important to be specific in not citing those things as the things that should be continued. Has Elon ever cited those as things that should be continued? You and I have agreed that there are many wonderful attributes of the German culture that he could be referring to. Is it your opinion that he is not referring to those things that you and I agree on? This guy that seems super concerned with manufacturing efficiency is a huge fanboy of engineering prowess, of lofty technological achievements. You don’t think that there’s a chance that he might be referring to some of those things that you and I agree with about the German culture in heritage of hard work and engineering? Not even a Chance?

He only explicitly cited the strong warrior culture and asked to not feel guilty about sins of their parents and grandparents (which I'm pretty sure was the Holocaust. He could have mentioned manufacturing efficiency or like, symphonies, but he sure didn't.

I gotta tell you I don’t think this makes your case any clearer or stronger

Ok

[Rage Against the McKee]

The Nazis don't really need your defense, Pete. They already control the government.

[Pete]

Maybe also shitloads of people we don't know about b/c they just do their own thing enjoying their money on a beach or whatever?

I think it’s a mistake to equate money with power. I think usually it’s necessary but I think almost always it’s insufficient.

[star seed 7]

Pete, does the audience matter in your interpretation of elon's comments? He's saying this to a group of people who's top priority is "no muzzies".

Pete, maybe you missed this question in the mod'ening

[CHONGS]

It was a wild ride from my end

[Pete]

Pete, does the audience matter in your interpretation of elon's comments? He's saying this to a group of people who's top priority is "no muzzies".

Pete, maybe you missed this question in the mod'ening

I suspect that the root of the concerns that the people have that he was speaking to and what he was trying to address was “we are fearful our culture is going to change.”

My questions to you are: 1.  Do you think that that is an illegitimate fear, 2.  are they incorrectly attributing cultural risk to the influx of people with a different culture, and 3. is it possible at all to have a conversation about positive German culture?

[star seed 7]

Followup, does Elon believe the far right (globally) are just more easily manipulated to allow him to save the species from ai? Orrrr, does the far right really just have progressive views on ai defense and Elon is making the best of a poor situation?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Cultures aren't good or evil. They aren't worth spending time or resources for preservation. I don't know much about Germany's immigration situation, but if it's anything like ours, claiming that allowing the hardest-working people they have to continue immigrating and finding work will somehow make their culture lazier or less hard-working is ridiculous and also very racist.

[Pete]

Followup, does Elon believe the far right (globally) are just more easily manipulated to allow him to save the species from ai? Orrrr, does the far right really just have progressive views on ai defense and Elon is making the best of a poor situation?

I totally think it’s a means to an end. I absolutely think he believes that an authoritarian structure is the fastest and most efficient way to achieve what he wants. I think anybody who studied history agrees that that’s the fastest most efficient way to achieve anything.

As I’ve said, I think he is absolutely a piece of crap so that fits with the piece of crap narrative that I am putting forth .

[steve dave]

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[Pete]

Cultures aren't good or evil. They aren't worth spending time or resources for preservation. I don't know much about Germany's immigration situation, but if it's anything like ours, claiming that allowing the hardest-working people they have to continue immigrating and finding work will somehow make their culture lazier or less hard-working is ridiculous and also very racist.

I think our entrepreneurial culture in America is absolutely a significant part of why we are in the economic situation that we are in today. Almost as important as it was that we didn’t get totally bombed out during World War II and were able to dominate coming out of World War II because we had factories, but not as important as that historical luck sack for America (the factories and non-bombed out country were a bigger deal)

[CHONGS]

Elon Musk is dedicated to eliminating what he considers the woke mind virus.  That is one reason why he has aligned with MAGA.  The other reason is the hope that MAGA does indeed burn it all down.

One should also keep in mind he is very much influenced by the likes of Curtis Yarvin.  He 'interest' in saving humanity is not inclusive of anything beyond him and his inner circle of tech bros.

[Pete]

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Yeah, I don’t have a super long list of worlds most powerful dudes at any given time that didn’t include the disclaimer that they made my skin crawl.

[Pete]

Elon Musk is dedicated to eliminating what he considers the woke mind virus.  That is one reason why he has aligned with MAGA.  The other reason is the hope that MAGA does indeed burn it all down.

One should also keep in mind he is very much influenced by the likes of Curtis Yarvin.  He 'interest' in saving humanity is not inclusive of anything beyond him and his inner circle of tech bros.

I can’t disagree with any of that. And I also believe that that nasty little bug of his doesn’t diminish the utility of the things that he’s brought to our country.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Followup, does Elon believe the far right (globally) are just more easily manipulated to allow him to save the species from ai? Orrrr, does the far right really just have progressive views on ai defense and Elon is making the best of a poor situation?

I totally think it’s a means to an end. I absolutely think he believes that an authoritarian structure is the fastest and most efficient way to achieve what he wants. I think anybody who studied history agrees that that’s the fastest most efficient way to achieve anything.

As I’ve said, I think he is absolutely a piece of crap so that fits with the piece of crap narrative that I am putting forth .

Fascism has a proven history of achieving poverty. I think all of these supposed benefits only exist in your head.

[star seed 7]

Pete, does the audience matter in your interpretation of elon's comments? He's saying this to a group of people who's top priority is "no muzzies".

Pete, maybe you missed this question in the mod'ening

I suspect that the root of the concerns that the people have that he was speaking to and what he was trying to address was “we are fearful our culture is going to change.”

My questions to you are: 1.  Do you think that that is an illegitimate fear, 2.  are they incorrectly attributing cultural risk to the influx of people with a different culture, and 3. is it possible at all to have a conversation about positive German culture?

I don't have enough of an opinion on Germany, it's culture, or politics to answer properly, but I will as it relates to America (I hope that will be acceptable).

1) not wholly illegitimate, it's a fundamental fear of change, a human emotion. Functionally, yes, it's illegitimate.
2) yes
3) probably

I still have not found the relevance of Germany's pure blood on ai and rockets.

[Pete]

Followup, does Elon believe the far right (globally) are just more easily manipulated to allow him to save the species from ai? Orrrr, does the far right really just have progressive views on ai defense and Elon is making the best of a poor situation?

I totally think it’s a means to an end. I absolutely think he believes that an authoritarian structure is the fastest and most efficient way to achieve what he wants. I think anybody who studied history agrees that that’s the fastest most efficient way to achieve anything.

As I’ve said, I think he is absolutely a piece of crap so that fits with the piece of crap narrative that I am putting forth .

Fascism has a proven history of achieving poverty. I think all of these supposed benefits only exist in your head.

Well, with that kind of attitude, you’re never gonna get a NeuroLink if you get paralyzed!

[Pete]

Pete, does the audience matter in your interpretation of elon's comments? He's saying this to a group of people who's top priority is "no muzzies".

Pete, maybe you missed this question in the mod'ening

I suspect that the root of the concerns that the people have that he was speaking to and what he was trying to address was “we are fearful our culture is going to change.”

My questions to you are: 1.  Do you think that that is an illegitimate fear, 2.  are they incorrectly attributing cultural risk to the influx of people with a different culture, and 3. is it possible at all to have a conversation about positive German culture?

I don't have enough of an opinion on Germany, it's culture, or politics to answer properly, but I will as it relates to America (I hope that will be acceptable).

1) not wholly illegitimate, it's a fundamental fear of change, a human emotion. Functionally, yes, it's illegitimate.
2) yes
3) probably

I still have not found the relevance of Germany's pure blood on ai and rockets.

I too find it hard to believe that any sort of pureblood argument has anything to do with benefiting AI or rockets or anything like that which must lead a reasonable person to conclude that it’s more about the society that’s laser focused at all cost on achieving ruthless maximum efficiency in production.

[CHONGS]

Elon Musk is dedicated to eliminating what he considers the woke mind virus.  That is one reason why he has aligned with MAGA.  The other reason is the hope that MAGA does indeed burn it all down.

One should also keep in mind he is very much influenced by the likes of Curtis Yarvin.  He 'interest' in saving humanity is not inclusive of anything beyond him and his inner circle of tech bros.

I can’t disagree with any of that. And I also believe that that nasty little bug of his doesn’t diminish the utility of the things that he’s brought to our country.

I don't think he's brought much, by himself ,to our country.  His role in various technologies is vastly vastly overrated.

[Pete]

Elon Musk is dedicated to eliminating what he considers the woke mind virus.  That is one reason why he has aligned with MAGA.  The other reason is the hope that MAGA does indeed burn it all down.

One should also keep in mind he is very much influenced by the likes of Curtis Yarvin.  He 'interest' in saving humanity is not inclusive of anything beyond him and his inner circle of tech bros.

I can’t disagree with any of that. And I also believe that that nasty little bug of his doesn’t diminish the utility of the things that he’s brought to our country.

I don't think he's brought much to our country.  His role in various technologies is vastly vastly overrated.

OK, maybe it’s somebody else who put all those rough ridin' satellites in space

[Rage Against the McKee]

Followup, does Elon believe the far right (globally) are just more easily manipulated to allow him to save the species from ai? Orrrr, does the far right really just have progressive views on ai defense and Elon is making the best of a poor situation?

I totally think it’s a means to an end. I absolutely think he believes that an authoritarian structure is the fastest and most efficient way to achieve what he wants. I think anybody who studied history agrees that that’s the fastest most efficient way to achieve anything.

As I’ve said, I think he is absolutely a piece of crap so that fits with the piece of crap narrative that I am putting forth .

Fascism has a proven history of achieving poverty. I think all of these supposed benefits only exist in your head.

Well, with that kind of attitude, you’re never gonna get a NeuroLink if you get paralyzed!

Why would anyone capable of designing a neurolink stay here if crap hits the fan? They would go somewhere that people are free, just like the Germans that helped us build the bomb did

[Pete]

Followup, does Elon believe the far right (globally) are just more easily manipulated to allow him to save the species from ai? Orrrr, does the far right really just have progressive views on ai defense and Elon is making the best of a poor situation?

I totally think it’s a means to an end. I absolutely think he believes that an authoritarian structure is the fastest and most efficient way to achieve what he wants. I think anybody who studied history agrees that that’s the fastest most efficient way to achieve anything.

As I’ve said, I think he is absolutely a piece of crap so that fits with the piece of crap narrative that I am putting forth .

Fascism has a proven history of achieving poverty. I think all of these supposed benefits only exist in your head.

Well, with that kind of attitude, you’re never gonna get a NeuroLink if you get paralyzed!

Why would anyone capable of designing a neurolink stay here if crap hits the fan? They would go somewhere that people are free, just like the Germans that helped us build the bomb did

So is it your opinion that like if Elon leaves the country he’ll just put all that in his brief case and then we won’t have it anymore?

[star seed 7]

Pete, does the audience matter in your interpretation of elon's comments? He's saying this to a group of people who's top priority is "no muzzies".

Pete, maybe you missed this question in the mod'ening

I suspect that the root of the concerns that the people have that he was speaking to and what he was trying to address was “we are fearful our culture is going to change.”

My questions to you are: 1.  Do you think that that is an illegitimate fear, 2.  are they incorrectly attributing cultural risk to the influx of people with a different culture, and 3. is it possible at all to have a conversation about positive German culture?

I don't have enough of an opinion on Germany, it's culture, or politics to answer properly, but I will as it relates to America (I hope that will be acceptable).

1) not wholly illegitimate, it's a fundamental fear of change, a human emotion. Functionally, yes, it's illegitimate.
2) yes
3) probably

I still have not found the relevance of Germany's pure blood on ai and rockets.

I too find it hard to believe that any sort of pureblood argument has anything to do with benefiting AI or rockets or anything like that which must lead a reasonable person to conclude that it’s more about the society that’s laser focused at all cost on achieving ruthless maximum efficiency in production.

I think you're being naive, he's using his influence on the causes he cares most about and it ain't rockets and ai.