Will Avery be back next year?

[Sandstone Outcropping]

https://x.com/KellisRobinett/status/1858582238277083406

[DQ12]

I have no doubt he could get a better NIL deal somewhere and connect with a program known for getting QBs in the league.

To be fair, Klieman has a remarkably good track record of getting QBs to the league. 

Easton Stick
Carson Wentz
Trey Lance (i don't care that Lance didn't start until after Klieman left.  he recruited him so he gets to claim him for the purposes of this post)
Skylar
He'll add another to his pelt next year when Howard gets drafted.

Hell, Adrian Martinez is on a practice squad and was UFL MVP.  Any QB Klieman touches seemingly (eventually) turns to gold.  Very, very good track record if you're a quarterback who wants to play professionally.  There's not many coaches who have a better batting average with quarterbacks getting to the NFL.

[Kid In the Hall]

I have no doubt he could get a better NIL deal somewhere and connect with a program known for getting QBs in the league.

To be fair, Klieman has a remarkably good track record of getting QBs to the league. 

Easton Stick
Carson Wentz
Trey Lance (i don't care that Lance didn't start until after Klieman left.  he recruited him so he gets to claim him for the purposes of this post)
Skylar
He'll add another to his pelt next year when Howard gets drafted.

Hell, Adrian Martinez is on a practice squad and was UFL MVP.  Any QB Klieman touches seemingly (eventually) turns to gold.  Very, very good track record if you're a quarterback who wants to play professionally.  There's not many coaches who have a better batting average with quarterbacks getting to the NFL.

Very few programs - even among the blue bloods - that can say they've placed every starting QB they've had in the NFL over the course of nearly a decade.

[wetwillie]

Will Howard was not a draftable QB when he left here after 4 years.  Also LAWL at counting Adrian Martinez. The string of QB's at NDSU is nothing short of incredible, that's amazing.

[catastrophe]

Will Howard was not a draftable QB when he left here after 4 years.  Also LAWL at counting Adrian Martinez. The string of QB's at NDSU is nothing short of incredible, that's amazing.

In what way was he not draftable? I’d argue anyone who can transfer and immediately start at a top 5 program very likely has the profile of an NFL QB unless they’re injury prone or undersized, neither of which applies to Will.

[wetwillie]

Will Howard was not a draftable QB when he left here after 4 years.  Also LAWL at counting Adrian Martinez. The string of QB's at NDSU is nothing short of incredible, that's amazing.

In what way was he not draftable? I’d argue anyone who can transfer and immediately start at a top 5 program very likely has the profile of an NFL QB unless they’re injury prone or undersized, neither of which applies to Will.

In the way he wasn't going to get drafted in the 2024 NFL draft.  Same way Dillon Gabriel (QB of the #1 ranked team in CFB) wasn't going to get drafted.

[CHONGS]

I have no doubt he could get a better NIL deal somewhere and connect with a program known for getting QBs in the league.

To be fair, Klieman has a remarkably good track record of getting QBs to the league. 

Easton Stick
Carson Wentz
Trey Lance (i don't care that Lance didn't start until after Klieman left.  he recruited him so he gets to claim him for the purposes of this post)
Skylar
He'll add another to his pelt next year when Howard gets drafted.

Hell, Adrian Martinez is on a practice squad and was UFL MVP.  Any QB Klieman touches seemingly (eventually) turns to gold.  Very, very good track record if you're a quarterback who wants to play professionally.  There's not many coaches who have a better batting average with quarterbacks getting to the NFL.

Yeah I didn't really mean it as a dig at Klieman, it's just that the big schools in the Big 10 and SEC will get him the exposure and access to talent that will raise his draft status. I'm sure his aspirations are to get drafted on the first day, and that's really not what KSU historically provides.

[wetwillie]

https://x.com/KellisRobinett/status/1858582238277083406

Man the turmoil is palpable in this program right now. This is a bad look.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

They should let Avery call his own plays against Cincy.

[Kid In the Hall]

Will Howard was not a draftable QB when he left here after 4 years.  Also LAWL at counting Adrian Martinez. The string of QB's at NDSU is nothing short of incredible, that's amazing.

You can LAWL all you want, but the fact of the matter is, when Howard's on an NFL practice squad next year, this coaching staff can walk in any kid's family room and say every single one of their last six starting QBs covering nearly a decade is playing in the NFL.

Again, there aren't a whole lot of schools that can say that (Michigan can't say that, Texas can't say that, Alabama can only say that for one year beyond this staff, etc.). And, presumably, that's a big selling point for them.

And, while Howard probably wouldn't have been drafted last year, he would have signed a free agent contract somewhere.

[wetwillie]

"If your kid has dreams of playing on an NFL practice squad, come to KSU!"

[Pete]

https://x.com/KellisRobinett/status/1858582238277083406

Now that we are out of contention for the Big 12 we try and do what it takes to win?

[MakeItRain]

Will Howard was not a draftable QB when he left here after 4 years.  Also LAWL at counting Adrian Martinez. The string of QB's at NDSU is nothing short of incredible, that's amazing.

eff you taking about man, he got a draft grade? I heard the senior bowl guy talk about selecting Will for that game before he even left here

[MakeItRain]

https://x.com/KellisRobinett/status/1858582238277083406

Man the turmoil is palpable in this program right now. This is a bad look.

Why is it a bad look? You're overreacting like crazy.

[Kid In the Hall]

"If your kid has dreams of playing on an NFL practice squad, come to KSU!"

It's really not hard to comprehend (not least of which because LHC Bill Snyder's staff placed two QBs in the NFL in nearly 30 years).

In the era of NIL where 5-star kids stay at a school for one year and then transfer because they're behind another 5-star kid, this staff is ahead of 90% of D1 staffs in the country when it comes to putting kids in the NFL - and they've done it with largely unheralded recruits.

Will be interesting to see if/how Klieman dips into the QB portal market after AJ (assuming he's still here).

[MakeItRain]

"If your kid has dreams of playing on an NFL practice squad, come to KSU!"

It's really not hard to comprehend (not least of which because LHC Bill Snyder's staff placed two QBs in the NFL in nearly 30 years).

In the era of NIL where 5-star kids stay at a school for one year and then transfer because they're behind another 5-star kid, this staff is ahead of 90% of D1 staffs in the country when it comes to putting kids in the NFL - and they've done it with largely unheralded recruits.

Will be interesting to see if/how Klieman dips into the QB portal market after AJ (assuming he's still here).

If he does, you have to think that Knuth and or Barnett is going to bounce.

[wetwillie]

Will Howard was not a draftable QB when he left here after 4 years.  Also LAWL at counting Adrian Martinez. The string of QB's at NDSU is nothing short of incredible, that's amazing.

eff you taking about man, he got a draft grade? I heard the senior bowl guy talk about selecting Will for that game before he even left here

lol

[CNS]

Watching Will a couple times this year, he isn’t an upgraded Will. He just has Ohio State around him. Otherwise seems to be our Will still.

[catastrophe]

Watching Will a couple times this year, he isn’t an upgraded Will. He just has Ohio State around him. Otherwise seems to be our Will still.

Yeah I don’t understand what wetwillie is implying cause if Will is draftable this year it’s cause he was draftable last year. tOSU isn’t coaching him up, they’re just letting him play with a great supporting cast cause he developed into a really solid QB at Cats U.

[deputy dawg]

Watching Will a couple times this year, he isn’t an upgraded Will. He just has Ohio State around him. Otherwise seems to be our Will still.

Yeah I don’t understand what wetwillie is implying cause if Will is draftable this year it’s cause he was draftable last year. tOSU isn’t coaching him up, they’re just letting him play with a great supporting cast cause he developed into a really solid QB at Cats U.

Pffft, I read where Howard articulated a "big difference" between K-State and tOSU is that tOSU encouraged him to release his passes more quickly and to not go so far in his progressions.  Pretty profound stuff if you ask me.

[CNS]

Watching Will a couple times this year, he isn’t an upgraded Will. He just has Ohio State around him. Otherwise seems to be our Will still.

Yeah I don’t understand what wetwillie is implying cause if Will is draftable this year it’s cause he was draftable last year. tOSU isn’t coaching him up, they’re just letting him play with a great supporting cast cause he developed into a really solid QB at Cats U.

Pffft, I read where Howard articulated a "big difference" between K-State and tOSU is that tOSU encouraged him to release his passes more quickly and to not go so far in his progressions.  Pretty profound stuff if you ask me.

This is why Klieman is not a good QB coach. 

[wetwillie]

Watching Will a couple times this year, he isn’t an upgraded Will. He just has Ohio State around him. Otherwise seems to be our Will still.

Yeah I don’t understand what wetwillie is implying cause if Will is draftable this year it’s cause he was draftable last year. tOSU isn’t coaching him up, they’re just letting him play with a great supporting cast cause he developed into a really solid QB at Cats U.

He's still not going to get drafted, he's not a top 10 or probably even top 15 qb in this draft class. Hes a really good college QB, and has maximized his ability imo and got paid a nice sum to be tOSU's qb this year.

[Kid In the Hall]

"If your kid has dreams of playing on an NFL practice squad, come to KSU!"

It's really not hard to comprehend (not least of which because LHC LHC Bill Snyder's staff placed two QBs in the NFL in nearly 30 years).

In the era of NIL where 5-star kids stay at a school for one year and then transfer because they're behind another 5-star kid, this staff is ahead of 90% of D1 staffs in the country when it comes to putting kids in the NFL - and they've done it with largely unheralded recruits.

Will be interesting to see if/how Klieman dips into the QB portal market after AJ (assuming he's still here).

If he does, you have to think that Knuth and or Barnett is going to bounce.

I cynically just assume this will be more the norm rather than the exception moving forward for most programs at the QB spot.

If you look at ESPN's QBR rankings this year, of the top 20 QBs, 13 have transferred at least once. Of the seven who haven't, three are freshmen, which just leaves Milroe, Allar, Beck and Klubnik as the only non-freshmen who haven't transferred (I also omitted the Army and Navy QBs from this because that's a completely different dealio).

[chum1]

What if Avery joined the Lynch Mob before next year?

[catastrophe]

Watching Will a couple times this year, he isn’t an upgraded Will. He just has Ohio State around him. Otherwise seems to be our Will still.

Yeah I don’t understand what wetwillie is implying cause if Will is draftable this year it’s cause he was draftable last year. tOSU isn’t coaching him up, they’re just letting him play with a great supporting cast cause he developed into a really solid QB at Cats U.

He's still not going to get drafted, he's not a top 10 or probably even top 15 qb in this draft class. Hes a really good college QB, and has maximized his ability imo and got paid a nice sum to be tOSU's qb this year.

Ok well that makes a lot more sense. Just seemed odd to qualify that statement in terms of “last year” unless your point was that class was also full of superior QBs.