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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #50 on: December 12, 2023, 03:48:05 PM »
I thought someone on twitter tracked a plane from Norman a couple days after Klein left that was assumed to be Wells. If there was much smoke there though, I’d assume we’d of heard something by now.

I hate this bowl game tryout crap (if that is what we’re doing again). It worked fine with Klein but limits our options if things go south. It also keeps things unclear in a prime recruitment period.

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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #51 on: December 12, 2023, 07:03:23 PM »
I would rather Klieman spend the last week+ of the early signing period with recruits instead of rushing to hire a coordinator who won't be able to impact the early signing period anyway. Spend every minute you can trying to keep guys like Blake Barnett in the fold, worry about they OC after the 20th

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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #52 on: December 12, 2023, 09:22:19 PM »
Is going to be Connor Riley


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Everything is just kind of a bummer lately.

Did we like the offense we were running or not?
I feel like a decent portion of the fan base has a bit of a fetish for thinking they're getting kicked in the nuts

I don't have any idea what type of offense he'll call.  The offenses he was around at NDSU were big time of possession type teams.  I guess it's possible he'll run a Klein type of offense...

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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #53 on: December 13, 2023, 06:37:50 AM »
Is going to be Connor Riley


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Everything is just kind of a bummer lately.

Did we like the offense we were running or not?
I feel like a decent portion of the fan base has a bit of a fetish for thinking they're getting kicked in the nuts

I don't have any idea what type of offense he'll call.  The offenses he was around at NDSU were big time of possession type teams.  I guess it's possible he'll run a Klein type of offense...
I mean he's been at KSU just as long as he was at NDSU and he worked with both Messingham and Klein at KSU and saw how both Mess and Klein left so who do you think he would be most likely to emulate?

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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #54 on: December 13, 2023, 06:57:12 AM »
riley just doesn't pass the eye test for me (his face)

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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #55 on: December 13, 2023, 06:57:51 AM »
I think he will run whatever Avery tells him to run
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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #56 on: December 13, 2023, 10:02:35 AM »
I DON'T KNOW FOR FACT but I am pretty sure that Riley has essentially been the "run game" coordinator which means that he has designed the blocking schemes of our run game.

I think everyone would agree that our running game has been pretty good.

So that leaves designing the route concepts, maybe he just uses what CK used mixed with the position coach input.

Then once you have your offense installed, it's about developing a game plan to attack a defense based on what you anticipate them doing to you. mizzou, OSU, and Texas especially out gameplanned us this year and by the time we adjusted, too little to late.

The game planning and play calling is what separates great offensive coordinators/minds from the rest and why some guys get paid a lot and are sought after.

I've always felt like CK excelled at play calling more so even than play design.  We've had some good and some pretty creative blocking schemes though, and even evolved since Mess left and CK took over.  I think Riley probably has had a lot to do with that.

That's something that Snyders offenses also excelled at, and there were a lot of advanced metrics to measure missed tackles created and one on one opportunities created.

I'm fine to give Riley a shot if the bowl game goes well because I think they have really good schemes.  Whether or not he's a good play caller will just have to remain to be seen.




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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #57 on: December 13, 2023, 10:13:14 AM »
Who coaches the OL if he's OC? Who coaches the QB's?
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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #58 on: December 13, 2023, 10:25:39 AM »
I DON'T KNOW FOR FACT but I am pretty sure that Riley has essentially been the "run game" coordinator which means that he has designed the blocking schemes of our run game.

I think everyone would agree that our running game has been pretty good.

So that leaves designing the route concepts, maybe he just uses what CK used mixed with the position coach input.

Then once you have your offense installed, it's about developing a game plan to attack a defense based on what you anticipate them doing to you. mizzou, OSU, and Texas especially out gameplanned us this year and by the time we adjusted, too little to late.

The game planning and play calling is what separates great offensive coordinators/minds from the rest and why some guys get paid a lot and are sought after.

I've always felt like CK excelled at play calling more so even than play design.  We've had some good and some pretty creative blocking schemes though, and even evolved since Mess left and CK took over.  I think Riley probably has had a lot to do with that.

That's something that Snyders offenses also excelled at, and there were a lot of advanced metrics to measure missed tackles created and one on one opportunities created.

I'm fine to give Riley a shot if the bowl game goes well because I think they have really good schemes.  Whether or not he's a good play caller will just have to remain to be seen.

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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #59 on: December 13, 2023, 10:40:25 AM »
Riley has seemingly been a great OL coach from both a development and recruiting standpoint, so if giving him OC keeps him around and CK thinks he can do the job I’m good with it. Wouldn’t complain about bringing in a high end QB coach and giving co-OC

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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #60 on: December 13, 2023, 11:19:15 AM »
Who coaches the OL if he's OC? Who coaches the QB's?

We have 1 staff opening. 

That hire's going to be important.  I bet most qb coaches are coordinators though


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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #61 on: December 13, 2023, 11:54:22 AM »
Who coaches the OL if he's OC? Who coaches the QB's?

We have 1 staff opening. 

That hire's going to be important.  I bet most qb coaches are coordinators though

He's not going to be OC/OL that's too much. He will have to be OC/TE I think. That means you would shift Lepak to OL or replace him with an OL coach.  Then you fill your opening with a QB coach, maybe Buford.
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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #62 on: December 13, 2023, 12:23:37 PM »
Who coaches the OL if he's OC? Who coaches the QB's?

We have 1 staff opening. 

That hire's going to be important.  I bet most qb coaches are coordinators though

He's not going to be OC/OL that's too much. He will have to be OC/TE I think. That means you would shift Lepak to OL or replace him with an OL coach.  Then you fill your opening with a QB coach, maybe Buford.

There's Oline coach/OC's out there but I think most are title only.  Andy Kotelnicky was but I bet Leipold helped with a lot of the game planning and scheming and Kotelnicky was the play caller.

I bet most of them are game planners and schemers but not the playcaller.  I think USC has an oline/OC but Lincoln Riley calls the plays obviously. 

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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #63 on: December 13, 2023, 01:29:41 PM »
AK was not KU's OL coach. That would be Fuchs.

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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #64 on: December 13, 2023, 01:37:11 PM »
AK was not KU's OL coach. That would be Fuchs.

Correction noted.

What did AK coach?

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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #65 on: December 13, 2023, 01:40:58 PM »
Leave it to cire to Fuch up KU's position coaches
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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #66 on: December 13, 2023, 01:53:18 PM »
AK was not KU's OL coach. That would be Fuchs.

Correction noted.

What did AK coach?

TE, I think.

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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #67 on: December 13, 2023, 02:58:48 PM »
Leave it to cire to Fuch up KU's position coaches

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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #68 on: December 28, 2023, 10:30:18 PM »
Is going to be Connor Riley


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Everything is just kind of a bummer lately.

Did we like the offense we were running or not?
I feel like a decent portion of the fan base has a bit of a fetish for thinking they're getting kicked in the nuts

I don't have any idea what type of offense he'll call.  The offenses he was around at NDSU were big time of possession type teams.  I guess it's possible he'll run a Klein type of offense...
I mean he's been at KSU just as long as he was at NDSU and he worked with both Messingham and Klein at KSU and saw how both Mess and Klein left so who do you think he would be most likely to emulate?

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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #69 on: December 28, 2023, 11:00:27 PM »
Maybe we could hire that Eric The Enemy guy?

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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #70 on: December 28, 2023, 11:56:09 PM »
Is Dickey still at OSU?  always liked that guy

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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #71 on: December 29, 2023, 08:29:37 AM »
If post game comments mean anything, (they probably don't), they are already greasing us to prepare for a Riley announcement.

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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #72 on: December 29, 2023, 09:22:10 AM »
We need someone as creative as Johnnson.

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Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #73 on: December 29, 2023, 10:21:38 AM »
I liked how we started out calling like 5 straight run plays until they stopped it. I feel like that really got the line fired up.

I didn’t like how for the first three quarters it seemed like we were playing with an NFL Blitz playbook: RB dive, short pass to the flat, short slant.

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Re: Who will be our new OC?
« Reply #74 on: December 29, 2023, 10:30:06 AM »
Only real criticism I have of Riley was being a little slow in recognizing that NC St. was cheating on Giddens' first down runs following halftime.  But running him on first down worked great in the first half, and I'm pretty lenient on OCs who keep doing the thing that's been working a lot (even after it stops working).  "WE'RE SO PREDICTABLE!" yeah maybe, but we're predictable because the thing everyone knows we're about to run had a ~90% success rate in the first half.

For those interested, here are all our first down plays lastnight:

1st Downs   
DJamer Run   20
DJamer Run   13
DJamer Run   5
KJ run   -1
AJ pass   0
DJamer run   4
AJ run   0
DJamer run   9
DJamer run   4 (TD)
AJ Pass   7
DJamer run   5
AJ Pass   10
AJ pass   4
AJ Pass   0
HALFTIME   
DJamer run   -1
DJamer run   -4
DJamer run   -1

AJ Pass   22
AJ Pass   5
DJamer run   -1
AJ pass   0
DJamer Run   2
Jackson run   7
DJamer run   4
DJamer run   8
DJamer run   2
DJamer run   20
DJamer run   2

The "bad" stretch is bolded.

All in all, I don't really have many complaints about Riley from lastnight.  I'm extremely forgiving of OCs though, generally speaking.
« Last Edit: December 29, 2023, 10:41:39 AM by DQ12 »


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