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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #175 on: April 05, 2023, 09:36:28 PM »
Makes you appreciate why they named it that way.

Anyway, the idea that fascinates me is the idea that when armed with additional memories (i.e. those from the real world), we can self evaluate in a very unique way....we wouldn't be able to lie to ourselves, so to speak. And, we would honestly know whether we were capable of doing better....or whether we had maxed out our potential and were ready to just stay in the real world.

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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #176 on: April 05, 2023, 09:37:26 PM »
WHAT IF WE ARE ALL HERE BECAUSE WE KNOW WE CAN DO BETTER!?!?

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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #177 on: April 05, 2023, 09:43:28 PM »
Of course, it might also mean that in the real world I am a greedy bastard.

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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #178 on: April 05, 2023, 09:44:15 PM »
The model kinda loses steam at that point.  That's why we workshop, people.

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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #179 on: April 05, 2023, 09:52:32 PM »
sounds like Severance Pete

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« Reply #180 on: April 05, 2023, 09:57:15 PM »
sounds like Severance Pete

I was thinking Roy from Rick and Morty.

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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #181 on: April 05, 2023, 10:02:10 PM »
sounds like Severance Pete

I was thinking Roy from Rick and Morty.
Yeah, both of those are similar. The part that seemed meaningful to me was to be able to have both sets of memories and experiences at one time…neither can hide from the other.

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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #182 on: April 05, 2023, 11:38:43 PM »
Pete that sounds like a cross of reincarnation and the Good Place
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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #183 on: April 06, 2023, 10:30:36 AM »
What are your guys thoughts regarding the ethical dilemma of the “trolley problem”? I’m sure you’ve all heard it (or some variation) but basically you’re on a trolley and you’re heading toward like 5 people on the track that aren’t going to be able to get out of the way. But before the trolley gets to them you have the opportunity to switch the track, and by diverting it you only kill one person instead of 5. So do you do nothing and more people die or do you actively choose to sacrifice 1 to save 5?

So far, my favorite response is that the trolley problem is really just a bullshit way of exploring or testing one’s morality/ethics bc unless you actually find yourself in that situation for real, you have no way of knowing how you will actually react. When it comes to humans having to choose between 2 choices (and both of them are bad, one is just less bad than the other), the fact is these hypotheticals are pretty meaningless bc when you’re in that situation you would have limited time to evaluate the full merits of those choices and not to mention would be dealing with incomplete information.

Kind of liberating, really. Like rather than trying to take a long hard look in the mirror and deal with the implications of what kind of person you are, it’s a pointless exercise and you shouldn’t waste your time agonizing over it.

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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #184 on: April 06, 2023, 10:37:48 AM »
It kinda depends on the people. Is my enemy one of those 5? If so, I'm mowing all of them down. Sorry, other 4. What if the 1 is Albert Einstein? Too many variables ...

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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #185 on: April 06, 2023, 10:43:54 AM »
I'm a contractualist so I have to run over the 1 and accept that I would be run over in a similar situation

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« Reply #186 on: April 06, 2023, 01:56:35 PM »
hypothetical situation: you are driving a car on a narrow road next to a cliff, and you turn a corner and all of a sudden there are 5 people standing directly in front of you on the road. assume you are going too fast stop in time. 
i regret to inform all of you that i am fairly certain my instinct would be to slam on the brakes instead of drive off the cliff :(
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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #187 on: April 06, 2023, 02:13:47 PM »
Sorry, 5 other people, I'm for self-preservation

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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #188 on: April 06, 2023, 02:17:45 PM »
If you don't want to get run over, don't stand in the middle of the road.

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« Reply #189 on: April 06, 2023, 02:52:01 PM »
later, as you are serving your life sentence for reckless driving and five counts of involuntary manslaughter, you realize you should have just driven off the cliff  :frown:

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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #190 on: April 06, 2023, 04:31:38 PM »
the examples you guys are throwing out there does kind of lead to a somewhat horrifying idea...the decision making process for self-driving cars. If your self-driving car is self-driving along and some little toddler runs out into the street very suddenly and to swerve would mean to crash into another car...it seems like the car would probably choose the path of least resistance/damage to the car/person in the car and would thus make the choice to turn that toddler into a speed bump.

I dunno...as i try to imagine that kind of scenario i can't help but think I would absolutely choose to damage my car and someone else's car and possibly injure myself and/or the driver of the car next to me if it meant not plowing over a toddler.

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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #191 on: April 06, 2023, 04:33:28 PM »
the examples you guys are throwing out there does kind of lead to a somewhat horrifying idea...the decision making process for self-driving cars. If your self-driving car is self-driving along and some little toddler runs out into the street very suddenly and to swerve would mean to crash into another car...it seems like the car would probably choose the path of least resistance/damage to the car/person in the car and would thus make the choice to turn that toddler into a speed bump.

I dunno...as i try to imagine that kind of scenario i can't help but think I would absolutely choose to damage my car and someone else's car and possibly injure myself and/or the driver of the car next to me if it meant not plowing over a toddler.

But what if that very same toddler is your Enemy? Food for thought.

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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #192 on: April 06, 2023, 04:38:00 PM »
I think it would be bad pr if you program your cars to value property over human life
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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #193 on: April 06, 2023, 04:44:26 PM »
the examples you guys are throwing out there does kind of lead to a somewhat horrifying idea...the decision making process for self-driving cars. If your self-driving car is self-driving along and some little toddler runs out into the street very suddenly and to swerve would mean to crash into another car...it seems like the car would probably choose the path of least resistance/damage to the car/person in the car and would thus make the choice to turn that toddler into a speed bump.

I dunno...as i try to imagine that kind of scenario i can't help but think I would absolutely choose to damage my car and someone else's car and possibly injure myself and/or the driver of the car next to me if it meant not plowing over a toddler.

But what if that very same toddler is your Enemy? Food for thought.

crap, good point.

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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #194 on: April 06, 2023, 04:46:31 PM »
I think it would be bad pr if you program your cars to value property over human life
well luckily for all of us we do not live in a late-stage capitalistic society where time and again the people in charge have made it crystal clear that the priorities are to line their pockets, even if the cost is several human lives. Dodged that bullet!

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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #195 on: April 06, 2023, 04:49:36 PM »
Maybe a compromise can be struck for providing an official enemies exception list?
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« Reply #196 on: April 06, 2023, 09:24:55 PM »
Individual KSU alum/athlete performance deep thought.  Would you rather have a KSU grad:

1.  POTUS
2.  Oscar for best actor/director
3.  Grammy for best album/artist
4   Win the Masters
5.  Olympic gold medal in a really big event
6.  NASCAR season champ
7.  Reality tv mega star
8.  MMA/WWE champ

others I am missing?

I would probably go 1, 4, 8

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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #197 on: April 06, 2023, 10:38:13 PM »
the examples you guys are throwing out there does kind of lead to a somewhat horrifying idea...the decision making process for self-driving cars. If your self-driving car is self-driving along and some little toddler runs out into the street very suddenly and to swerve would mean to crash into another car...it seems like the car would probably choose the path of least resistance/damage to the car/person in the car and would thus make the choice to turn that toddler into a speed bump.

I dunno...as i try to imagine that kind of scenario i can't help but think I would absolutely choose to damage my car and someone else's car and possibly injure myself and/or the driver of the car next to me if it meant not plowing over a toddler.

But what if that very same toddler is your Enemy? Food for thought.

I think this toddler had it figured out

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« Reply #198 on: April 06, 2023, 10:43:48 PM »
My man ...

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Re: Deep Thoughts (shower thoughts ok too but no Pit stuff)
« Reply #199 on: April 07, 2023, 08:47:55 AM »
Leave no witnesses is an interesting approach