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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #175 on: December 31, 2022, 05:33:13 PM »
Definitely need an upgrade at CB and WR. I was surprised how well we held up in the trenches. Usually that's where you see an immediate discrepancy but it was not there today.

We are not exactly the healthiest in our secondary, but we have continuously been exposed when our corners are one on one.


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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #176 on: December 31, 2022, 08:05:27 PM »
Definitely need an upgrade at CB and WR. I was surprised how well we held up in the trenches. Usually that's where you see an immediate discrepancy but it was not there today.

We are not exactly the healthiest in our secondary, but we have continuously been exposed when our corners are one on one.


Klandy puts a LOT of pressure on the CB’s when rushing 3. I’m just not sure you can recruit for any DB, much less 4 or 5 DB’s to hold the line for 4.5/5.0 seconds. The secondary got hit over the top a lot this year. (IMO).

Can definitely recruit better, faster stronger. But that’s just a huge ask to cover that long.

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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #177 on: December 31, 2022, 08:14:15 PM »
With the positive news with our recruiting and finds from the portal, I feel we are going to get better.
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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #178 on: December 31, 2022, 11:06:43 PM »
With the positive news with our recruiting and finds from the portal, I feel we are going to get better.

I think it’s possible they’re a better team next year. Maybe my expectations are way too high though.

Major losses will include Deuce (likely), Felix (likely), green, Huggins, top 3 WR, brents, ekow (?)

Obviously some huge losses, especially on offense, but we return a starting qb, sounds like the entire O line returning, grabbed a 4* wr transfer, and I have liked what giddens has done at times this year.

Defense has some stud LBs coming in, guessing duke moves back to DE to replace Felix, probably grab a db or 2 in the portal. Payne and Parrish looked promising.

Hopefully Klein continues to keep the offense innovative and the D continues to improve in the 3-3-5.

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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #179 on: December 31, 2022, 11:11:44 PM »
We're in good shape

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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #180 on: January 01, 2023, 12:30:30 AM »
We'll be better next year, just need some receivers out of the portal.  We should be a fairly attractive destination for immediate playing time as a starter.

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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #181 on: January 01, 2023, 04:57:07 PM »
Now that it is complete, where does this season rank all-time for you Cat football fans? In terms of overall enjoyment. I'd put it behind 1998 and maybe 1997. Maybe a hair behind 2012.

First of all, I don't hold '98 in high regard, at all. The UT and Nebraska games were awesome, other than that we essentially held serve. I feel the similarly about '12. We finished with a championship, unlike '98, but there were no wow moments, nothing groundbreaking. As cool as the UT game was, it wasn't like they were ever a threat to beat us. We were heavy favorites and easily finished them off.

I think this season we had big moments and won a championship. I don't think this team is as good as the '97 and '00 teams but I'd put this season on those levels as far as enjoyability went. Didn't finish the job to make it the clear most enjoyable season ever, but I think it still has a strong argument.

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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #182 on: January 01, 2023, 05:04:05 PM »
We'll be better next year, just need some receivers out of the portal.  We should be a fairly attractive destination for immediate playing time as a starter.

We nabbed a really good one in Keagan Johnson from Iowa but I think that’s it for influx of transfers at WR.  They have some young guys already on the roster they like and landed the best crop of HS WR’s we have brought in for at least 15 years.
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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #183 on: January 01, 2023, 10:36:29 PM »
Now that it is complete, where does this season rank all-time for you Cat football fans? In terms of overall enjoyment. I'd put it behind 1998 and maybe 1997. Maybe a hair behind 2012.

First of all, I don't hold '98 in high regard, at all. The UT and Nebraska games were awesome, other than that we essentially held serve. I feel the similarly about '12. We finished with a championship, unlike '98, but there were no wow moments, nothing groundbreaking. As cool as the UT game was, it wasn't like they were ever a threat to beat us. We were heavy favorites and easily finished them off.

I think this season we had big moments and won a championship. I don't think this team is as good as the '97 and '00 teams but I'd put this season on those levels as far as enjoyability went. Didn't finish the job to make it the clear most enjoyable season ever, but I think it still has a strong argument.

Agree this team is probably not as good / talented / dominating as some of the all time best cat teams, but man this was a surprisingly enjoyable season. . .
So I'm going to go with recency bias and accomplishing 10 wins/ Big12 championship post-Snyder and call this my most enjoyable season.

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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #184 on: January 02, 2023, 07:56:11 AM »
2011 was easily the most fun season for me. Lots of close games where we came out on top. This season is probably top 4 for me.

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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #185 on: January 02, 2023, 10:02:05 AM »
2011 was underrated as hell

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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #186 on: January 02, 2023, 10:20:40 AM »
2011 was easily the most fun season for me. Lots of close games where we came out on top. This season is probably top 4 for me.
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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #187 on: January 02, 2023, 10:59:52 AM »
I think 2024-2026 has a chance to have one of the best/fun seasons of our life times. Hard to imagine us ever having a better QB prospect than Avery paired with an OC like Klein.
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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #188 on: January 02, 2023, 11:09:53 AM »
I'm choosing not to rank seasons and just enjoying it all as it happens. :-)

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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #189 on: January 02, 2023, 11:14:00 AM »
2011 was underrated as hell

I think it would be a lot more fondly remembered if we could have won that shootout at OSU. If memory serves it was on at the same time as bama/LSU which I think the total combined score for that game was like 12. And we could have won but tlbl got his kidney lacerated trying to catch the game winning TD in the back of the endzone

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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #190 on: January 02, 2023, 11:55:58 AM »
2011 was underrated as hell

I think it would be a lot more fondly remembered if we could have won that shootout at OSU. If memory serves it was on at the same time as bama/LSU which I think the total combined score for that game was like 12. And we could have won but tlbl got his kidney lacerated trying to catch the game winning TD in the back of the endzone

Pretty sure he caught a TD being lacerated, it was sometime in the 3rd quarter IIRC
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« Reply #191 on: January 02, 2023, 12:11:04 PM »
In terms of enjoyment of season, I think it was cool to have a year we were a "dark horse" and ended up actually doing it. About a top 5 season for me.

I'd put this season as very similar to 2003, if not almost a perfect analog to it. Biggest difference was TCU was no OU (though I am rooting for them to take it all), and we did worse in the big bowl game. That being said, early questionable loss (albeit to what ended up being a very good Tulane team) a loss to Texas, (no good way to match TCU to OSU loss though), all while having a tiny explosive running back.

I think the biggest difference is unlike 2003 I think next year's team has the ability to either match, and potentially succeed this years team. This feels more like the program is ramping up, not the culmination of something we've sought for a long time.

My general expectation for next year is going to be making it back to the Big 12 Champ game, and 10 wins in the regular season, if we get certain players in the portal or certain guys come back next year, it'll elevate to being big 12 champs, and being in that serious discussion of being the playoffs. If everyone like Felix and Deuce and the entire oline and other crazy crap like that, then eff it, win the whole rough ridin' thing. FFS this is probably Georgia's last hurrah at the top, Bama has to replace Bryce Young, and tOSU is the same with Stroud gone, and Michigan will never fully scare me, same with USC, so why the eff not (if that unlikely scenario plays out).

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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #192 on: January 02, 2023, 01:03:03 PM »
I think many of you have WAY TOO HIGH of expectations. I hope you mean HOPES.

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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #193 on: January 02, 2023, 01:05:39 PM »
I think many of you have WAY TOO HIGH of expectations. I hope you mean HOPES.

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« Reply #194 on: January 02, 2023, 01:15:51 PM »
I think many of you have WAY TOO HIGH of expectations. I hope you mean HOPES.

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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #195 on: January 02, 2023, 01:17:23 PM »
I think many of you have WAY TOO HIGH of expectations. I hope you mean HOPES.

You think stefon diggs HOPES to make it to the Superbowl?

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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #196 on: January 02, 2023, 02:05:32 PM »
Now that it is complete, where does this season rank all-time for you Cat football fans? In terms of overall enjoyment. I'd put it behind 1998 and maybe 1997. Maybe a hair behind 2012.

First of all, I don't hold '98 in high regard, at all. The UT and Nebraska games were awesome, other than that we essentially held serve. I feel the similarly about '12. We finished with a championship, unlike '98, but there were no wow moments, nothing groundbreaking. As cool as the UT game was, it wasn't like they were ever a threat to beat us. We were heavy favorites and easily finished them off.

I think this season we had big moments and won a championship. I don't think this team is as good as the '97 and '00 teams but I'd put this season on those levels as far as enjoyability went. Didn't finish the job to make it the clear most enjoyable season ever, but I think it still has a strong argument.

Add 1993. Top-tier season of enjoyment and good times.
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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #197 on: January 02, 2023, 05:51:02 PM »
2011 was underrated as hell

I think it would be a lot more fondly remembered if we could have won that shootout at OSU. If memory serves it was on at the same time as bama/LSU which I think the total combined score for that game was like 12. And we could have won but tlbl got his kidney lacerated trying to catch the game winning TD in the back of the endzone

Pretty sure he caught a TD being lacerated, it was sometime in the 3rd quarter IIRC

I just moved lacerated kidney higher on my list of things I hope like hell never happen to me.  That sounds terrifying.

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« Reply #198 on: January 02, 2023, 07:22:12 PM »
2011 was underrated as hell

I think it would be a lot more fondly remembered if we could have won that shootout at OSU. If memory serves it was on at the same time as bama/LSU which I think the total combined score for that game was like 12. And we could have won but tlbl got his kidney lacerated trying to catch the game winning TD in the back of the endzone

Pretty sure he caught a TD being lacerated, it was sometime in the 3rd quarter IIRC

I just moved lacerated kidney higher on my list of things I hope like hell never happen to me.  That sounds terrifying.

Yup, watching it here it isn't great, just got hit in the right spot

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Re: What's your K-State FB outlook?
« Reply #199 on: January 03, 2023, 09:16:40 AM »
We'll be better next year, just need some receivers out of the portal.  We should be a fairly attractive destination for immediate playing time as a starter.

We nabbed a really good one in Keagan Johnson from Iowa but I think that’s it for influx of transfers at WR.  They have some young guys already on the roster they like and landed the best crop of HS WR’s we have brought in for at least 15 years.

Being optimistic here, with the loss of Knowles (725), Brooks (587), Warner (456) and Vaughn (378), we have to replace ~2,100 yards next season to replicate this season. All things considered for this quick math exercise, I'm going to assume that CK7 will find a way to move Deuce's receiving numbers to whatever RB is in the game....hopefully Giddens.

We return Sinnott, RJ Garcia and Seth Porter with '23 recruits Spivey and Davis headed our way. Additionally, we have Keagan Johnson transferring in. Lets not forget baby Lockett will now have the chance to shine as well coming off his RS.

Between the guys we somewhat know: Garcia, Porter, Johnson need to cover 1,750 yards....all of those guys can easily put up close to Warner's numbers from this year and I would hope that Johnson can be our new Knowles. Everyone else's numbers are gravy. This doesn't even account for Spivey, Davis, Lockett, etc.

From the QB perspective, 9AM didn't put up huge passing numbers either early in the season. ~175 yds/game. Howard averaged ~240 yds/game over his stretch, which I would argue was against much better defenses.

All in all, not worried about our receiving corps.