2024 Presidential Race

[yoga-like_abana]

What are pundits saying about reason Harris lost? I assume the math says men didn't turn out for her the same way they did for Biden.

wsj "the journal" podcast indicating that people trusted Trump more regarding the economy and the border. "Trump may have said things that offended them but voters trust him on the issues that effect them.."

"voters wanted change and Harris did zero to differentiate herself from Biden, even when given the opportunity"

https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/the-journal/red-white-and-who-it-trump/90D7E169-4A4B-412B-98D3-27A4DAA21F6F

She should've sat down with Rogan

[cfbandyman]

I think the dems will need to go back to a real primary and trust their voters.  The super delegates aren't working and basically telling voters they're too stupid to make the right choice.

That's a start.

Yup, that's part of it.

What are pundits saying about reason Harris lost? I assume the math says men didn't turn out for her the same way they did for Biden.

wsj "the journal" podcast indicating that people trusted Trump more regarding the economy and the border. "Trump may have said things that offended them but voters trust him on the issues that effect them.."

"voters wanted change and Harris did zero to differentiate herself from Biden, even when given the opportunity"

https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/the-journal/red-white-and-who-it-trump/90D7E169-4A4B-412B-98D3-27A4DAA21F6F

Yeah and I think that is a big part of it too. People want change, something to make it better, and it wasn't given anything. Kind of to my "juice" comment. No substance, even if what trump offers is crap it's different.

Also yeah, probably time to get off the high horse train, like even in the little I listened to the debate with Harris/trump, and trump did horrible, there is no effort to win people over. just keep trying to win the same people

[Pete]

I think there is a LOT of people uncomfortable with a black woman as president, uncomfortable with trans people (and probably all LGBT), still pissed about Black Lives Matter, and uncomfortable with the changing lifestyle and life goals of young women.

[Pete]

I suspect people will tell you “border” and “economy,” because they don’t want to disclose their strong resistance to progressive cultural change.

Stock market is way rough ridin' up and we had better luck against inflation than any first world country.

Harris had stronger plans for immigration than Biden.

50%+ of the country is against progressive cultural change that the Dems support.

[star seed 7]

Sure all that plays a part but it's 100% the economy and inflation. The "normie" perception (right or wrong) is that the economy is in shambles and Joe is responsible for worldwide inflation. It's extremely hard to run against that perception.

[Pete]

Sure all that plays a part but it's 100% the economy and inflation. The "normie" perception (right or wrong) is that the economy is in shambles and Joe is responsible for worldwide inflation. It's extremely hard to run against that perception.

I don’t buy that people are THAT clueless. I think they know and I think they say that stupid crap because it’s more socially acceptable than saying “I don’t like homos, uppity minorities, and women wearing pants.”

[kstater]

Sure all that plays a part but it's 100% the economy and inflation. The "normie" perception (right or wrong) is that the economy is in shambles and Joe is responsible for worldwide inflation. It's extremely hard to run against that perception.

Yup.  It doesn't matter that inflation was going to happen after covid, because we had to print so much money just to survive covid.  It doesn't matter that inflation is back down to normal levels.   

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[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I think there is a LOT of people uncomfortable with a black woman as president, uncomfortable with trans people (and probably all LGBT), still pissed about Black Lives Matter, and uncomfortable with the changing lifestyle and life goals of young women.

If by "a lot" you mean one tenth of one percent, I would agree.  The only problem with the last 2 women candidates is the first was the most unlikable person available, and the second refused (or was unable) to answer simple unscripted policy questions a presidential candidate should be required to answer.

[nicname]

I suspect people will tell you “border” and “economy,” because they don’t want to disclose their strong resistance to progressive cultural change.

Border and economy matter to most people. Most people who are against progressive social change will tell you openly. <—— These are also the Hispanic men you’re wondering about
.

Stock market is way rough ridin' up and we had better luck against inflation than any first world country.

Most people don’t care about the stock market.

Harris had stronger plans for immigration than Biden.

Harris is probably the worst nominee in history. Not her fault really.

50%+ of the country is against progressive cultural change that the Dems support.

Definitely.

I really don’t mean this in a disrespectful way, but how thick is the bubble that a lot of you guys seem to live in?

[star seed 7]

Sure all that plays a part but it's 100% the economy and inflation. The "normie" perception (right or wrong) is that the economy is in shambles and Joe is responsible for worldwide inflation. It's extremely hard to run against that perception.

I don’t buy that people are THAT clueless. I think they know and I think they say that stupid crap because it’s more socially acceptable than saying “I don’t like homos, uppity minorities, and women wearing pants.”

I think you may be a little disillusioned as to how informed the average voter is. Apparently Google searches about biden dropping out spiked yesterday suggesting that a sizable portion of people didn't even know he wasn't running

[bucket]

Sure all that plays a part but it's 100% the economy and inflation. The "normie" perception (right or wrong) is that the economy is in shambles and Joe is responsible for worldwide inflation. It's extremely hard to run against that perception.

Yup.  It doesn't matter that inflation was going to happen after covid, because we had to print so much money just to survive covid.  It doesn't matter that inflation is back down to normal levels.   

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Don’t forgot the people who report their economic situation is good yet perceive the overall economy to be bad.

[bucket]

Also saw some stuff about America being an anti-incumbency which makes a lot of sense, too.

[nicname]

Sure all that plays a part but it's 100% the economy and inflation. The "normie" perception (right or wrong) is that the economy is in shambles and Joe is responsible for worldwide inflation. It's extremely hard to run against that perception.

I don’t buy that people are THAT clueless. I think they know and I think they say that stupid crap because it’s more socially acceptable than saying “I don’t like homos, uppity minorities, and women wearing pants.”

In my experience it’s mostly the LGBT+ stuff. Most people don’t aren’t racist or misogynist. Being pro life isn’t seen as anti women to most pro lifers.

[nicname]

Sure all that plays a part but it's 100% the economy and inflation. The "normie" perception (right or wrong) is that the economy is in shambles and Joe is responsible for worldwide inflation. It's extremely hard to run against that perception.

A lot of people are struggling; hence my “most people don’t care about the stock market” comment. To most people the stock market says little about the economy.

[Pete]

I suspect people will tell you “border” and “economy,” because they don’t want to disclose their strong resistance to progressive cultural change.

Border and economy matter to most people. Most people who are against progressive social change will tell you openly. <—— These are also the Hispanic men you’re wondering about
.

Stock market is way rough ridin' up and we had better luck against inflation than any first world country.

Most people don’t care about the stock market.

Harris had stronger plans for immigration than Biden.

Harris is probably the worst nominee in history. Not her fault really.

50%+ of the country is against progressive cultural change that the Dems support.

Definitely.

I really don’t mean this in a disrespectful way, but how thick is the bubble that a lot of you guys seem to live in?

Most of the ads I saw from the GOP were about trans stuff. What am I misunderstanding?

[bucket]

I suspect people will tell you “border” and “economy,” because they don’t want to disclose their strong resistance to progressive cultural change.

Border and economy matter to most people. Most people who are against progressive social change will tell you openly. <—— These are also the Hispanic men you’re wondering about
.

Stock market is way rough ridin' up and we had better luck against inflation than any first world country.

Most people don’t care about the stock market.

Harris had stronger plans for immigration than Biden.

Harris is probably the worst nominee in history. Not her fault really.

50%+ of the country is against progressive cultural change that the Dems support.

Definitely.

I really don’t mean this in a disrespectful way, but how thick is the bubble that a lot of you guys seem to live in?

Doesn’t help being attacked by all sides. Too progressive for Nic. Progressives voting for Stein because mod den’s aren’t delivering for them. I’m aware that you cannot please everyone but dem’s appear to have to walk a much tighter rope than pubs.

[nicname]

Sure all that plays a part but it's 100% the economy and inflation. The "normie" perception (right or wrong) is that the economy is in shambles and Joe is responsible for worldwide inflation. It's extremely hard to run against that perception.

Yup.  It doesn't matter that inflation was going to happen after covid, because we had to print so much money just to survive covid.  It doesn't matter that inflation is back down to normal levels.   

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Printing so much money is the root of most of our problems.

[Kat Kid]

I think replacing Biden with Kamala was unquestionably better than running Biden.

I also think the mismatch between policy and people's votes for candidates/parties is worth looking at:

Why do 57% of Florida voters was to pull the 6 week ban and also want Trump?
Why does Missouri pass min wage and sick days and vote for Trump?

Because the working class is not part of the democratic coalition any more.

[Pete]

According to the Motley Fool site, 67% of non-retired Americans have some sort of retirement account. It amazes me that this population didn’t notice that the fuckers went sky high as of late.

[nicname]

I suspect people will tell you “border” and “economy,” because they don’t want to disclose their strong resistance to progressive cultural change.

Border and economy matter to most people. Most people who are against progressive social change will tell you openly. <—— These are also the Hispanic men you’re wondering about
.

Stock market is way rough ridin' up and we had better luck against inflation than any first world country.

Most people don’t care about the stock market.

Harris had stronger plans for immigration than Biden.

Harris is probably the worst nominee in history. Not her fault really.

50%+ of the country is against progressive cultural change that the Dems support.

Definitely.

I really don’t mean this in a disrespectful way, but how thick is the bubble that a lot of you guys seem to live in?

Most of the ads I saw from the GOP were about trans stuff. What am I misunderstanding?

I’m agreeing with you. Most people aren’t into the LGBT stuff/agenda whatever you want to call it.

[nicname]

I think replacing Biden with Kamala was unquestionably better than running Biden.

I also think the mismatch between policy and people's votes for candidates/parties is worth looking at:

Why do 57% of Florida voters was to pull the 6 week ban and also want Trump?
Why does Missouri pass min wage and sick days and vote for Trump?

Because the working class is not part of the democratic coalition any more.

Yep.

[Pete]

I suspect people will tell you “border” and “economy,” because they don’t want to disclose their strong resistance to progressive cultural change.

Border and economy matter to most people. Most people who are against progressive social change will tell you openly. <—— These are also the Hispanic men you’re wondering about
.

Stock market is way rough ridin' up and we had better luck against inflation than any first world country.

Most people don’t care about the stock market.

Harris had stronger plans for immigration than Biden.

Harris is probably the worst nominee in history. Not her fault really.

50%+ of the country is against progressive cultural change that the Dems support.

Definitely.

I really don’t mean this in a disrespectful way, but how thick is the bubble that a lot of you guys seem to live in?

Most of the ads I saw from the GOP were about trans stuff. What am I misunderstanding?

I’m agreeing with you. Most people aren’t into the LGBT stuff/agenda whatever you want to call it.

Sorry, misunderstood! Yep, that stuff put a LOT of people off.

[Pete]

I think replacing Biden with Kamala was unquestionably better than running Biden.

I also think the mismatch between policy and people's votes for candidates/parties is worth looking at:

Why do 57% of Florida voters was to pull the 6 week ban and also want Trump?
Why does Missouri pass min wage and sick days and vote for Trump?

Because the working class is not part of the democratic coalition any more.

Yep.

Agreed!  Dems need to make the value proposition so great for workers that they can’t afford to vote another way.

[Kat Kid]

Honestly it was smart of the Teamsters leader to try and leverage his membership for concessions from Trump. Trump is a rat, but he can be transactional and letting him drive a big rig will probably get something.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

According to the Motley Fool site, 67% of non-retired Americans have some sort of retirement account. It amazes me that this population didn’t notice that the fuckers went sky high as of late.

Retirement accounts don't pay the bills today.