2024 Presidential Race

[Rage Against the McKee]

The constitution clearly gives the Border Czar 100% responsibility for developing and enforcing all policies and procedures related to the nation's borders.

the title thing is dumb...as far as I can tell, that term started with Abbot down in texas when he wrote her a letter saying she ought to visit the border since she's the "border czar."  then a lot of mainstream media picked it up and now they're backtracking from it.

point is, she did have an actual responsibility in trying to curb immigration.  she was tasked with both (1) the so-called "root causes" wishy washy stuff that wouldn't show any effect for a long time (and is a pretty unlucky assignment for someone with presidential aspirations); and (2) curbing illegal crossings more immediately.  a lot of Harris apologists are trying to say her role was exclusively the former (and saying she had no role in the immediate effects), but that doesn't really jive with contemporary reports:

A senior administration official said Harris' role would focus on "two tracks": both curbing the current flow of migrants and implementing a long-term strategy that addresses the root causes of migration.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-taps-harris-lead-coordination-efforts-southern-border-n1261952

So yeah, there's obviously no such title as "border czar," but she was tasked with "curbing the current flow of migrants," at least per NBC's March 2021 reporting.  But it is bizarre seeing clips like the one dax quoted with current day media reports saying "border czar??? huh?  what are these guys talking about???" when there's a bunch of clips from contemporary media referring to her as the "border czar."

It kind of sounds like maybe she provided recommendations that led to the border bill that the republicans demanded and then voted down.

[Dugout DickStone]

super nervous confirmed

[sonofdaxjones]

The Republicans voted down a bill . . . but we never ever talk about all the tack ons and insanity that were on the bill itself. 

#blueanon 101

Then get the simple brained legions (numbering in the millions) to repeatedly parrot about how the Pubs rejected a bill . . 

#blueanon 101

[sonofdaxjones]

The Parrots are making the rounds . . .

https://twitter.com/Banned_Bill/status/1816581620704641271

[Pete]

One thing is for certain, and that is that no one is changing their minds and the only “decision” is whether to show up and vote.

Presently, it appears that the democrats have gained a great deal of motivation to show up and vote. Who knows whether this new enthusiasm will last.

It seems like ages ago that Trump was injured during the attempt on his life. It was exciting for Maga republicans, but Rinos seemed a great deal less motivated by it initially and perhaps even indifferent about it presently.

[Stevesie60]

Spot on. If Trump loses, it isn't because people changed their vote from him to Harris. It's because a large amount of people showed up to vote for Harris who wouldn't have shown up for Biden.

[CNS]

Trump has terrible luck in his near blasting wasn’t close enough to Election Day.

[star seed 7]

The constitution clearly gives the Border Czar 100% responsibility for developing and enforcing all policies and procedures related to the nation's borders.

the title thing is dumb...as far as I can tell, that term started with Abbot down in texas when he wrote her a letter saying she ought to visit the border since she's the "border czar."  then a lot of mainstream media picked it up and now they're backtracking from it.

point is, she did have an actual responsibility in trying to curb immigration.  she was tasked with both (1) the so-called "root causes" wishy washy stuff that wouldn't show any effect for a long time (and is a pretty unlucky assignment for someone with presidential aspirations); and (2) curbing illegal crossings more immediately.  a lot of Harris apologists are trying to say her role was exclusively the former (and saying she had no role in the immediate effects), but that doesn't really jive with contemporary reports:

A senior administration official said Harris' role would focus on "two tracks": both curbing the current flow of migrants and implementing a long-term strategy that addresses the root causes of migration.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-taps-harris-lead-coordination-efforts-southern-border-n1261952

So yeah, there's obviously no such title as "border czar," but she was tasked with "curbing the current flow of migrants," at least per NBC's March 2021 reporting.  But it is bizarre seeing clips like the one dax quoted with current day media reports saying "border czar??? huh?  what are these guys talking about???" when there's a bunch of clips from contemporary media referring to her as the "border czar."

So not orwellian, just bad journalism?

[star seed 7]

Correction: president trump was never actually granted the rank "captain bone spurs"

Dlew12: MEMORYHOLED!

[DQ12]

The constitution clearly gives the Border Czar 100% responsibility for developing and enforcing all policies and procedures related to the nation's borders.

the title thing is dumb...as far as I can tell, that term started with Abbot down in texas when he wrote her a letter saying she ought to visit the border since she's the "border czar."  then a lot of mainstream media picked it up and now they're backtracking from it.

point is, she did have an actual responsibility in trying to curb immigration.  she was tasked with both (1) the so-called "root causes" wishy washy stuff that wouldn't show any effect for a long time (and is a pretty unlucky assignment for someone with presidential aspirations); and (2) curbing illegal crossings more immediately.  a lot of Harris apologists are trying to say her role was exclusively the former (and saying she had no role in the immediate effects), but that doesn't really jive with contemporary reports:

A senior administration official said Harris' role would focus on "two tracks": both curbing the current flow of migrants and implementing a long-term strategy that addresses the root causes of migration.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-taps-harris-lead-coordination-efforts-southern-border-n1261952

So yeah, there's obviously no such title as "border czar," but she was tasked with "curbing the current flow of migrants," at least per NBC's March 2021 reporting.  But it is bizarre seeing clips like the one dax quoted with current day media reports saying "border czar??? huh?  what are these guys talking about???" when there's a bunch of clips from contemporary media referring to her as the "border czar."

So not orwellian, just bad journalism?

I mean, call it what you want.  It feels a little “we were always at war with Eurasia.” 

[star seed 7]

That feels like a gross misrepresentation to me. These are factually accurate, publicly stated corrections. You even admit this yourself.

The media running with border czar in the first place should be more concerning.

[star seed 7]

If there are outlets saying the border wasn't one of her focuses then that's fine to criticize, obviously.

[sonofdaxjones]

#blueanon usual media now nuancing a call to give to MN freedom fund, as not actually KH giving to the MN freedom fund.

IMO it was just overcompensating for her days as a cop, putting low wealth parents in jail because their kids skipped school.

Pretty freakin cheap if she was out there telling people to contribute and but not giving any money herself.  Damn . . . SMDH

#blueanon media usual's dig in hard and circle those wagons fast.

You guys should be proud.

[star seed 7]

That feels like a gross misrepresentation to me. These are factually accurate, publicly stated corrections. You even admit this yourself.

The media running with border czar in the first place should be more concerning.

Eh, this may be more weird than I thought. I had remembered czars being official titles during the Obama admin but I guess they've always been unofficial.

[Kat Kid]

Biden spent the first year trying to dump unpopular issues on Kamala including and especially the border.

The dumb part is taking Biden admin people seriously about her being the “border czar.” It just underscores how badly Biden screwed her because what authority or budget does a rough ridin' vice president have to tackle illegal immigration? It was solely done to protect Biden’s image.

[sonofdaxjones]

Even worse KK, she absolutely didn’t get the assignment and ran away from it as fast as she could.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/01/politics/harris-immigration

Before she even did exactly jackshit they were already trying to dumb it down for selfish political purposes only.

Really dug in on behalf of her job and her country. Just as she’s been described repeatedly, half ass effort across the board
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[Stevesie60]

Pretty freakin cheap if she was out there telling people to contribute and but not giving any money herself.  Damn . . . SMDH

No rough ridin' way a Trump supporter just said this.

[waks]

Pretty freakin cheap if she was out there telling people to contribute and but not giving any money herself.  Damn . . . SMDH

No rough ridin' way a Trump supporter just said this.

He's not a Trump supporter, Stevesie

[CNS]

Biden spent the first year trying to dump unpopular issues on Kamala including and especially the border.

The dumb part is taking Biden admin people seriously about her being the “border czar.” It just underscores how badly Biden screwed her because what authority or budget does a rough ridin' vice president have to tackle illegal immigration? It was solely done to protect Biden’s image.

Biden appears to be doing her a solid right now and staying in office to absorb the Israel/Palestine grenade. I am convinced that this is why the GOP wants Joe out of office so bad right now.

[sonofdaxjones]

Pretty freakin cheap if she was out there telling people to contribute and but not giving any money herself.  Damn . . . SMDH

No rough ridin' way a Trump supporter just said this.

#blueanongE: Where all roads lead back to Don Trump. Accelerate that 10x if someone is trying to discuss the current crap show presidential administration.

#softcoup’24

#deflectoconsgE


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[Sandstone Outcropping]

The constitution clearly gives the Border Czar 100% responsibility for developing and enforcing all policies and procedures related to the nation's borders.

the title thing is dumb...as far as I can tell, that term started with Abbot down in texas when he wrote her a letter saying she ought to visit the border since she's the "border czar."  then a lot of mainstream media picked it up and now they're backtracking from it.

point is, she did have an actual responsibility in trying to curb immigration.  she was tasked with both (1) the so-called "root causes" wishy washy stuff that wouldn't show any effect for a long time (and is a pretty unlucky assignment for someone with presidential aspirations); and (2) curbing illegal crossings more immediately.  a lot of Harris apologists are trying to say her role was exclusively the former (and saying she had no role in the immediate effects), but that doesn't really jive with contemporary reports:

A senior administration official said Harris' role would focus on "two tracks": both curbing the current flow of migrants and implementing a long-term strategy that addresses the root causes of migration.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-taps-harris-lead-coordination-efforts-southern-border-n1261952

So yeah, there's obviously no such title as "border czar," but she was tasked with "curbing the current flow of migrants," at least per NBC's March 2021 reporting.  But it is bizarre seeing clips like the one dax quoted with current day media reports saying "border czar??? huh?  what are these guys talking about???" when there's a bunch of clips from contemporary media referring to her as the "border czar."

Thanks for the thoughtful response. I think I agree with most of what you said in there. I think that the Biden administration signaling that it would have a softer approach to the border probably led to an increase in attempted crossings and a lot of the humanitarian fallout that goes along with more attempted crossings. As long as the US has the world's richest economy and several (nearly) failed states as neighbors to the south, the border is going to remain a problem. Both sides (probably Republicans more that Dems at this time) are refusing to deal with the issue because it is more valuable as a tool they can use for demagoguery and fundraising purposes. Republicans love to talk tough about the border but know that red state industries like meatpacking need an ongoing supply of workers with no other options in the global economy.

[Pete]

It seems the GOP’s position is to let those immigrant dependent companies and industries fail and stop artificially propping them up with government assistance via immigration exceptions.

Ending socialism has costs and the GOP is telling us that Americans are ready to incur those costs. If that means no more meat, then so be it.

I say we go for it and let the GOP have their way.

[sonofdaxjones]

It seems the GOP’s position is to let those immigrant dependent companies and industries fail and stop artificially propping them up with government assistance via immigration exceptions.

Ending socialism has costs and the GOP is telling us that Americans are ready to incur those costs. If that means no more meat, then so be it.

I say we go for it and let the GOP have their way.

Pete, per our current POTUS circa 2008 (and as documented on this blog by me), illegal immigration and cheap labor was an evil rich Republican plot and he was going to end it if elected.

What has changed since then?

[Dugout DickStone]

Pretty freakin cheap if she was out there telling people to contribute and but not giving any money herself.  Damn . . . SMDH

No rough ridin' way a Trump supporter just said this.

He's not a Trump supporter, Stevesie

Yeah, he thinks trump should not be president and is also far too old (and gross) to be president

[Sandstone Outcropping]

It seems the GOP’s position is to let those immigrant dependent companies and industries fail and stop artificially propping them up with government assistance via immigration exceptions.

Ending socialism has costs and the GOP is telling us that Americans are ready to incur those costs. If that means no more meat, then so be it.

I say we go for it and let the GOP have their way.

Ted Cruz says Kamala can pry his cheeseburger from his cold dead hands. My congressman likes to talk tough on this stuff until the the Kansas Livestock Association is like "you really don't want to shut down the southwest Kansas meat factories and bring our entire industry to its knees." They got a taste of this at the start of the pandemic and it really scared the industry.