Possible WW3 thread

[sonofdaxjones]

In defense of the B1 it's air frame wasn't designed to be  bomb truck loitering above mud huts every day waiting to drop 2,000 pound JDAM's on a tree line where a couple of guys in a Toyota are parked.  It was designed to sit on alert for days on end, ready to go attack the Soviet Union when General Beringer gave the go order.

[star seed 7]

Lol dax has someone agree with him and immediately has to begin a defense for the thing that was agreed upon

[Sandstone Outcropping]

This war criminal may have been targeted using his Strava data:

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/7/11/russian-submarine-commander-killed-by-gunman-on-morning-run


https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1678508099085246468?s=20

[sonofdaxjones]

Lol dax has someone agree with him and immediately has to begin a defense for the thing that was agreed upon

You are absolutely nailing being wrong, more than usual. 

I wasn't disagreeing with KK, you giant ass derp.

[Kid In the Hall]

Just more proof that our military - industrial complex is full of grifters and con artists.

After 60 Minutes and many others have documented numerous hundreds of billions of dollars (collectively trillions) of weapons systems that don't work and were huge mistakes.  They're sending B-1's to mothballs, they're sending a whole block of F-22's to the boneyard because it will cost more to upgrade them then they're worth, the F-35 needs a new engine because the one they have overheats, an entire line of Navy ships sucks absolute ass , they're looking to re-engine a 70 year old bomber so it can fly until it's 100, and there's such a gap in capabilities with 5 gen jets the Air Force is buying new F-15's - which first rolled off the assembly line in the 70's etc. etc. etc. 

Now there was apparently no replacement for the Stinger and apparently no capacity of any kind to build new one's, and apparently no one around with the brains to do it. 

Sadly, there's giant derps on this board who believe the military-industrial complex needs even more money.

https://www.defenseone.com/business/2023/06/raytheon-calls-retirees-help-restart-stinger-missile-production/388067/

Just need to bring back the F14 and then all the fighter planes used in regular Nintendo games will be in action once again. Let's do this, America.

[sonofdaxjones]

Well at least the UkroGrifters are getting theirs

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/10/politics/air-force-funding-personnel-moves-bonuses/index.html

[sys]

https://twitter.com/JosephPolitano/status/1678840217384497157

[cfbandyman]

That's crazy (GDP part)

Also enjoying sweden joining, lol

[Kat Kid]

https://twitter.com/JosephPolitano/status/1678840217384497157

We just wound down two expensive wars, and we found a proxy war to fund and debate whether we should have a clash of rough ridin' civilizations with China while you and many others complain we aren’t spending enough on defense. Still no welfare state, still no Medicare for all.

I’m not taking a victory lap yet.

[sys]

Still no welfare state, still no Medicare for all.

you aren't funding a generous welfare state with half a percent of gdp, or whatever it is you think you can squeeze out of defense spending.  if you want a welfare state, convince americans to pay taxes like they do in countries where they have those.

[sys]

https://twitter.com/Stealx/status/1678741923400384512

[Kat Kid]

Still no welfare state, still no Medicare for all.

you aren't funding a generous welfare state with half a percent of gdp, or whatever it is you think you can squeeze out of defense spending.  if you want a welfare state, convince americans to pay taxes like they do in countries where they have those.

First off, GDP is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that chart because we still spend a tremendous amount on defense relative to anyone else.

I’m talking about the post WW2 paths that we chose vs Europe. The UK got the NHS and council estates and we got employer based health insurance and redlining. There are lots of reasons why going back to Teddy Roosevelt and the empire that was built but I think the UK is the clearest example that we just made bad choices.

Obviously, we can’t fund Medicare for all by not doing anything for Ukraine. But you and others want to raise defense spending when we already spend the most so that seems like a better way to frame things than that chart.

[steve dave]

we can have both. just gotta tax rich people a lot more and start taxing religious institutions. tithe to your community healthcare not your church, it's what jesus would irl do.

[Pete]

we can have both. just gotta tax rich people a lot more and start taxing religious institutions. tithe to your community healthcare not your church, it's what jesus would irl do.

Completely agree

[sys]

First off, GDP is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that chart because we still spend a tremendous amount on defense relative to anyone else.

yes, we're a very rich country.  the other side of that coin is we get less defense for our dollar than other countries because we pay rich country wages for what we purchase.

I think the UK is the clearest example that we just made bad choices.

kinda hard to use the uk as a counterexample to envy these days.  other than brexit, it's not obvious to me where they've gone wrong, but not many peer countries would trade places with them.

[sonofdaxjones]

Who could have possibly expected this from the Banderites   

Walks hand in hand with the UkroNazi white washing that's taken place over the last 18 months

Since Russia began its invasion of Ukraine last year, Kyiv and its NATO allies have posted, then quietly deleted, several photos of soldiers with patches bearing Nazi emblems.

In each photograph, Ukrainians in uniform wore patches featuring symbols that were made notorious by Nazi Germany and have since become part of the iconography of far-right hate groups.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols-ukraine.html?smid=url-share

[Kat Kid]

First off, GDP is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that chart because we still spend a tremendous amount on defense relative to anyone else.

yes, we're a very rich country.  the other side of that coin is we get less defense for our dollar than other countries because we pay rich country wages for what we purchase.

I think the UK is the clearest example that we just made bad choices.

kinda hard to use the uk as a counterexample to envy these days.  other than brexit, it's not obvious to me where they've gone wrong, but not many peer countries would trade places with them.

Sure the UK is not exactly the envy of the world, but they are the most comparable socially and politically to the US imo. NHS for all its problems is miles better than our system. Most of the UKs recent problems have been issues with their politics taking its cues from us, not the other way around.

[Spracne]

Sys, what exactly are you arguing?

[cfbandyman]

First off, GDP is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that chart because we still spend a tremendous amount on defense relative to anyone else.

yes, we're a very rich country.  the other side of that coin is we get less defense for our dollar than other countries because we pay rich country wages for what we purchase.

I think the UK is the clearest example that we just made bad choices.

kinda hard to use the uk as a counterexample to envy these days.  other than brexit, it's not obvious to me where they've gone wrong, but not many peer countries would trade places with them.

Sure the UK is not exactly the envy of the world, but they are the most comparable socially and politically to the US imo. NHS for all its problems is mikes better than our system. Most of the UKs recent problems have been issues with their politics taking its cues from us, not the other way around.

 

[sonofdaxjones]

The UK, where the current military status is one of the most anemic and ill equipped first world (alleged) fighting forces in the post WWII era. 

Thankfully the United States houses about $10 billion dollars worth of fighter planes on a couple of bases there.

[Dugout DickStone]

The UK, where the current military status is one of the most anemic and ill equipped first world (alleged) fighting forces in the post WWII era. 

Thankfully the United States houses about $10 billion dollars worth of fighter planes on a couple of bases there.

I thought our fighter planes suck and are lame and also depleted.

[star seed 7]

Woke fighter jets

[sys]

Sys, what exactly are you arguing?

1.  we don't spend as much on defense as people think.
2.  we should spend more on defense, not less.

[steve dave]

It is important to me personally that the USA spend materially more on military than the next few countries combined. IRL.


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[sys]

we can have both. just gotta tax rich people a lot more and start taxing religious institutions. tithe to your community healthcare not your church, it's what jesus would irl do.

if by rich people you mean the upper middle class, then yeah.

like, i obviously don't know what everyone on this board makes, but my general impression is that everyone, or almost everyone, who posts here would pay more in taxes than they would receive in benefits with a euro style social welfare and taxation system.

if that doesn't accord with your understanding of what it takes to fund a generous welfare system, then i don't think you have a realistic funding model in mind.