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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #5150 on: November 16, 2022, 01:04:42 PM »
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He is the author of 12 books, including NATO: The Dangerous Dinosaur (2019), Gullible Superpower: U.S. Support for Bogus Foreign Democratic Movements (2019), The Ties That Blind: How the U.S.-Saudi Alliance Damages Liberty and Security (2018), Perilous Partners: The Benefits and Pitfalls of America’s Alliances with Authoritarian Regimes (2015), The Fire Next Door: Mexico’s Drug Violence and the Danger to America (2012), Smart Power: Toward a Prudent Foreign Policy for America (2008), America’s Coming War with China: A Collision Course over Taiwan (2005), The Korean Conundrum: America’s Troubled Relations with North and South Korea (2004), Bad Neighbor Policy: Washington’s Futile War on Drugs in Latin America (2003), The Captive Press: Foreign Policy Crises and the First Amendment (1995), Beyond NATO: Staying Out of Europe’s Wars (1994), and A Search for Enemies: America’s Alliances after the Cold War (1992). He also is the editor of 10 books on international issues, including NATO’s Empty Victory: A Postmortem on the Balkan War (2000), Delusions of Grandeur: The United Nations and Global Intervention (1997), and America Entangled: The Persian Gulf Crisis and Its Consequences (1991).

Carpenter is a contributing editor to the National Interest, the American Conservative, and 19FortyFive, and is a weekly columnist at Anti?war?.com. He serves on the editorial board of the Journal of Strategic Studies and was a member of Mediterranean Quarterly’s editorial board from 1998 to 2018. Carpenter is the author of more than 950 articles and policy studies. His articles have appeared in the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, the Los Angeles Times, the Financial Times, Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, the National Interest, World Policy Journal, and many other publications. He is a frequent guest on radio and television programs in the United States, Latin America, Europe, East Asia, and other regions.

Carpenter received his PhD in U.S. diplomatic history from the University of Texas.

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« Reply #5151 on: November 16, 2022, 01:05:48 PM »
In 2019 Ukraine was still the most corrupt country in Europe, and that's when the usual suspects started referencing Ukrainians who were trying to explain away their corruption and making various claims about reform.

We're not corrupt!  Trust us! . . . Ukraine


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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #5152 on: November 16, 2022, 01:06:13 PM »
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He is the author of 12 books, including NATO: The Dangerous Dinosaur (2019), Gullible Superpower: U.S. Support for Bogus Foreign Democratic Movements (2019), The Ties That Blind: How the U.S.-Saudi Alliance Damages Liberty and Security (2018), Perilous Partners: The Benefits and Pitfalls of America’s Alliances with Authoritarian Regimes (2015), The Fire Next Door: Mexico’s Drug Violence and the Danger to America (2012), Smart Power: Toward a Prudent Foreign Policy for America (2008), America’s Coming War with China: A Collision Course over Taiwan (2005), The Korean Conundrum: America’s Troubled Relations with North and South Korea (2004), Bad Neighbor Policy: Washington’s Futile War on Drugs in Latin America (2003), The Captive Press: Foreign Policy Crises and the First Amendment (1995), Beyond NATO: Staying Out of Europe’s Wars (1994), and A Search for Enemies: America’s Alliances after the Cold War (1992). He also is the editor of 10 books on international issues, including NATO’s Empty Victory: A Postmortem on the Balkan War (2000), Delusions of Grandeur: The United Nations and Global Intervention (1997), and America Entangled: The Persian Gulf Crisis and Its Consequences (1991).

Carpenter is a contributing editor to the National Interest, the American Conservative, and 19FortyFive, and is a weekly columnist at Anti?war?.com. He serves on the editorial board of the Journal of Strategic Studies and was a member of Mediterranean Quarterly’s editorial board from 1998 to 2018. Carpenter is the author of more than 950 articles and policy studies. His articles have appeared in the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, the Los Angeles Times, the Financial Times, Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, the National Interest, World Policy Journal, and many other publications. He is a frequent guest on radio and television programs in the United States, Latin America, Europe, East Asia, and other regions.

Carpenter received his PhD in U.S. diplomatic history from the University of Texas.

https://www.cato.org/people/ted-galen-carpenter

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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #5153 on: November 16, 2022, 01:06:56 PM »
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He is the author of 12 books, including NATO: The Dangerous Dinosaur (2019), Gullible Superpower: U.S. Support for Bogus Foreign Democratic Movements (2019), The Ties That Blind: How the U.S.-Saudi Alliance Damages Liberty and Security (2018), Perilous Partners: The Benefits and Pitfalls of America’s Alliances with Authoritarian Regimes (2015), The Fire Next Door: Mexico’s Drug Violence and the Danger to America (2012), Smart Power: Toward a Prudent Foreign Policy for America (2008), America’s Coming War with China: A Collision Course over Taiwan (2005), The Korean Conundrum: America’s Troubled Relations with North and South Korea (2004), Bad Neighbor Policy: Washington’s Futile War on Drugs in Latin America (2003), The Captive Press: Foreign Policy Crises and the First Amendment (1995), Beyond NATO: Staying Out of Europe’s Wars (1994), and A Search for Enemies: America’s Alliances after the Cold War (1992). He also is the editor of 10 books on international issues, including NATO’s Empty Victory: A Postmortem on the Balkan War (2000), Delusions of Grandeur: The United Nations and Global Intervention (1997), and America Entangled: The Persian Gulf Crisis and Its Consequences (1991).

Carpenter is a contributing editor to the National Interest, the American Conservative, and 19FortyFive, and is a weekly columnist at Anti?war?.com. He serves on the editorial board of the Journal of Strategic Studies and was a member of Mediterranean Quarterly’s editorial board from 1998 to 2018. Carpenter is the author of more than 950 articles and policy studies. His articles have appeared in the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, the Los Angeles Times, the Financial Times, Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, the National Interest, World Policy Journal, and many other publications. He is a frequent guest on radio and television programs in the United States, Latin America, Europe, East Asia, and other regions.

Carpenter received his PhD in U.S. diplomatic history from the University of Texas.

https://www.cato.org/people/ted-galen-carpenter

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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #5154 on: November 16, 2022, 01:10:22 PM »
#neocongE:  They're not going to stand and let anyone make fun of the most corrupt country in Europe.   :thumbsup:

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« Reply #5155 on: November 16, 2022, 01:18:44 PM »

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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #5156 on: November 16, 2022, 01:26:08 PM »
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He is the author of 12 books, including NATO: The Dangerous Dinosaur (2019), Gullible Superpower: U.S. Support for Bogus Foreign Democratic Movements (2019), The Ties That Blind: How the U.S.-Saudi Alliance Damages Liberty and Security (2018), Perilous Partners: The Benefits and Pitfalls of America’s Alliances with Authoritarian Regimes (2015), The Fire Next Door: Mexico’s Drug Violence and the Danger to America (2012), Smart Power: Toward a Prudent Foreign Policy for America (2008), America’s Coming War with China: A Collision Course over Taiwan (2005), The Korean Conundrum: America’s Troubled Relations with North and South Korea (2004), Bad Neighbor Policy: Washington’s Futile War on Drugs in Latin America (2003), The Captive Press: Foreign Policy Crises and the First Amendment (1995), Beyond NATO: Staying Out of Europe’s Wars (1994), and A Search for Enemies: America’s Alliances after the Cold War (1992). He also is the editor of 10 books on international issues, including NATO’s Empty Victory: A Postmortem on the Balkan War (2000), Delusions of Grandeur: The United Nations and Global Intervention (1997), and America Entangled: The Persian Gulf Crisis and Its Consequences (1991).

Carpenter is a contributing editor to the National Interest, the American Conservative, and 19FortyFive, and is a weekly columnist at Anti?war?.com. He serves on the editorial board of the Journal of Strategic Studies and was a member of Mediterranean Quarterly’s editorial board from 1998 to 2018. Carpenter is the author of more than 950 articles and policy studies. His articles have appeared in the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, the Los Angeles Times, the Financial Times, Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, the National Interest, World Policy Journal, and many other publications. He is a frequent guest on radio and television programs in the United States, Latin America, Europe, East Asia, and other regions.

Carpenter received his PhD in U.S. diplomatic history from the University of Texas.

https://www.cato.org/people/ted-galen-carpenter

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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #5157 on: November 16, 2022, 01:28:16 PM »
Books with big words confuse me . . . #slowdug


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« Reply #5158 on: November 16, 2022, 01:37:25 PM »
Dax, I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt and using your source for your “corruption ranking.” That source separates western and eastern europe and lumps the latter with central asia. You’re seemingly then separating that category further to declare ukraine the most corrupt country in europe.

What continent are you allocating russia to? Should the UN’s classification eff off? Are they the least corrupt (and simultaneously most corrupt) country that is in europe but also stretches into asia where 20-25% of russians reside?

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« Reply #5159 on: November 16, 2022, 01:42:28 PM »


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

Russia 29 corruption score


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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #5160 on: November 16, 2022, 02:17:50 PM »
"We allow Russia to use our country as a launching pad for Russia's dumb war against Ukraine and now Ukraine wants to block roads and bridges that could be used as invasion routes."

https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1592839572060536832?s=20&t=uWU0jlOcXYGRIUrACU3YOQ

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« Reply #5161 on: November 16, 2022, 02:27:51 PM »
Don Jr doing his best to prove that he is the stupidest of all Trumps:

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1592885159065702401?s=20&t=l-EoulokvZjidaZJLaPv9A

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« Reply #5164 on: November 16, 2022, 04:02:12 PM »
husserl knows exactly what happened to felicity jones, not a doubt in my mind.

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« Reply #5165 on: November 16, 2022, 04:54:25 PM »
it just makes them look more impotent and ineffectual.  They have been crying and whining about funding Ukraine and what has changed?  jack crap.  maga can't change their own underwear let alone the US's foreign policy.  They should stop the crying

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« Reply #5166 on: November 16, 2022, 05:03:26 PM »
Dax, I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt and using your source for your “corruption ranking.” That source separates western and eastern europe and lumps the latter with central asia. You’re seemingly then separating that category further to declare ukraine the most corrupt country in europe.

What continent are you allocating russia to? Should the UN’s classification eff off? Are they the least corrupt (and simultaneously most corrupt) country that is in europe but also stretches into asia where 20-25% of russians reside?

Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe.

We are not supporting Russia, we are supporting Ukraine.  As of 2019 Ukraine was 120th, still the most corrupt country in Europe. 

I appreciate that #neocongE feels so compelled to defend mega corrupt Ukraine.






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« Reply #5167 on: November 16, 2022, 05:12:41 PM »
Dax, I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt and using your source for your “corruption ranking.” That source separates western and eastern europe and lumps the latter with central asia. You’re seemingly then separating that category further to declare ukraine the most corrupt country in europe.

What continent are you allocating russia to? Should the UN’s classification eff off? Are they the least corrupt (and simultaneously most corrupt) country that is in europe but also stretches into asia where 20-25% of russians reside?

Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe.

We are not supporting Russia, we are supporting Ukraine.  As of 2019 Ukraine was 120th, still the most corrupt country in Europe. 

I appreciate that #neocongE feels so compelled to defend mega corrupt Ukraine.







Oh sorry, again to be clear, I used your link/source and found the ranking I asked for and saw russia ranked as more corrupt than ukraine. Your source has the two in the same continental region, and russia is categorized by most as european or at least majority european, so that’s why I’m asking how you’re declaring ukraine the most corrupt country in europe. Again, I’m checking that statement against your source, notwithstanding how questionable that source might be.

Maybe the ranking system you’re using to declare ukraine the most corrupt country in europe is something else?

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« Reply #5168 on: November 16, 2022, 05:28:51 PM »
Maybe the ranking system you’re using to declare ukraine the most corrupt country in europe is something else?

The DREAM (Dax Ranks European Asian(?) Malfeasance)?

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« Reply #5169 on: November 16, 2022, 05:31:31 PM »
Dax, I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt and using your source for your “corruption ranking.” That source separates western and eastern europe and lumps the latter with central asia. You’re seemingly then separating that category further to declare ukraine the most corrupt country in europe.

What continent are you allocating russia to? Should the UN’s classification eff off? Are they the least corrupt (and simultaneously most corrupt) country that is in europe but also stretches into asia where 20-25% of russians reside?

Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe.

We are not supporting Russia, we are supporting Ukraine.  As of 2019 Ukraine was 120th, still the most corrupt country in Europe. 

I appreciate that #neocongE feels so compelled to defend mega corrupt Ukraine.







Oh sorry, again to be clear, I used your link/source and found the ranking I asked for and saw russia ranked as more corrupt than ukraine. Your source has the two in the same continental region, and russia is categorized by most as european or at least majority european, so that’s why I’m asking how you’re declaring ukraine the most corrupt country in europe. Again, I’m checking that statement against your source, notwithstanding how questionable that source might be.

Maybe the ranking system you’re using to declare ukraine the most corrupt country in europe is something else?

The majority of Russia lies on the Asian continent (77%), so I don't know who this "majority" is, could it be the same people trying to explain away the mega corruption of Ukraine? 

The latest transparency.org ranking has Ukraine at 122nd, the most corrupt country in Europe.

I know you're one of the leading members of the Resident Confederacy of Not Knowers, but not that long ago, the U.S. was super super concerned about corruption in Ukraine, so much so that your boy Joe pulled of a quid pro quo to get somebody fired.  You may have heard about it.



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« Reply #5170 on: November 16, 2022, 05:32:36 PM »
This is like arguing over whether the bloods or crips are better (or worse) community activist groups.
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« Reply #5171 on: November 16, 2022, 05:37:08 PM »
Posting this list again for reference ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

There isn't a European country worse in the corruption index than Ukraine -- unless you count Russia.
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« Reply #5172 on: November 16, 2022, 05:44:58 PM »
This is like arguing over whether the bloods or crips are better (or worse) community activist groups.

It would be just like that if the guy yelling at nobody that the bloods are worse was doing so while decked out in all blue and then strangely cited a source that said that indeed the CRIPS are the worst community activist group and then explained that away by saying most crip-controlled area is in some other region that doesn’t count notwithstanding that the majority of crips do their crip’n in the same spot as the bloods.

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« Reply #5173 on: November 16, 2022, 05:46:28 PM »
Posting this list again for reference ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

There isn't a European country worse in the corruption index than Ukraine -- unless you count Russia.

Yes, that’s the wiki page for the same thing we’re talking about that was cited in dax's The American Conservative commentary.

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« Reply #5174 on: November 16, 2022, 05:48:59 PM »
Russia being corrupt is understood.

We are not supporting Russia, we are sending billions upon billions of dollars to an extremely corrupt Ukraine.   

So while the "experts" argue about whether Russia is European or Asian, we can confidently say that there's one country in this discussion that is most assuredly European, and that country is the most corrupt country in Europe, and has been for a very long long time.

Smart people get this, and non smart people don't.