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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #3300 on: July 14, 2022, 10:02:17 PM »
Holy crap the confederacy of not knowers source pearl clutchers who don't even get a disclaimer.  It's so sad . . .  :frown:

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« Reply #3301 on: July 14, 2022, 10:04:44 PM »
How do you move 1.6 million civilians across a war torn country back to Russia? That sounds like a logistical impossibility.

The worst part is the confederacy of not knowers will believe every ounce of propaganda coming out of Ukraine, a very corrupt country (getting lots of help from the CIA/MI6 propaganda/disinfo "experts"). . . but not so corrupt that they won't fire a propaganda minister for lying out of her ass repeatedly.


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« Reply #3302 on: July 15, 2022, 08:59:28 AM »
It's all going according to plan . . .

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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #3303 on: July 15, 2022, 09:04:33 AM »
How do you move 1.6 million civilians across a war torn country back to Russia? That sounds like a logistical impossibility.

That has to be counting the people in the donbas region, has to be, even with that, it's pretty flimsy

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« Reply #3304 on: July 15, 2022, 10:17:57 AM »
How do you move 1.6 million civilians across a war torn country back to Russia? That sounds like a logistical impossibility.

That has to be counting the people in the donbas region, has to be, even with that, it's pretty flimsy

yeah, I don't buy it

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« Reply #3305 on: July 15, 2022, 02:34:06 PM »
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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« Reply #3306 on: July 15, 2022, 02:37:35 PM »
how would that not be very apparent via satellite?

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« Reply #3307 on: July 15, 2022, 02:41:48 PM »
how would that not be very apparent via satellite?

it is apparent via satellite.


btw, russia says 2.4 m, but presumably disputes how many are voluntary refugees vs coerced.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/13/ukraine-russia-forced-deportation-antony-blinken/
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« Reply #3308 on: July 15, 2022, 02:58:07 PM »
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #3309 on: July 15, 2022, 03:10:25 PM »
Interesting.

I don't have a problem with orphans getting good homes, provided that is what part of this is.

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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #3310 on: July 16, 2022, 09:00:08 AM »
It’s all going according to plan . . .

The EU with the largest monthly trade deficit in EU history in May.  Driven almost exclusively by skyrocketing energy costs. 

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« Reply #3311 on: July 16, 2022, 10:02:56 AM »
No one is dumb enough to actually believe that Russian society is less "degenerate" than western societies, right?



The last line of defense against degeneracy:

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« Reply #3312 on: July 16, 2022, 12:08:50 PM »
Salon takes a moment from raging on Trump/Republicans 24/7/365 to write a salient and pertinent article.

https://www.salon.com/2022/07/12/natos-endless-expansion-threatens-endless--and-potential-nuclear-holocaust/

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« Reply #3313 on: July 16, 2022, 04:15:47 PM »
Worth remembering that sanctions have not been a resounding success, and are a prime driver of the probable global stagflation looming.

The Russians are getting record revenue from oil and gas and the spread between Brent/WTI/Ural has come down significantly. This price fixing scheme seems laughable if India and China aren't on board (which they aren't).

Meanwhile, Germany is getting increasingly worried about this winter. They are already banking on pretty big rationing for households, but 27% of the consumption is factories and there are big concerns about just how much contagion there will be for Germany's economy and the rest of Europe.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/15/business/economy/germany-russia-natural-gas.html
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Influential business and political figures will argue that it will be more important to “keep people employed than keep them warm.”

Whatever the policy choices, he added, “everyone understands that this war really means a big loss of wealth for everyone in the West as well as in Russia.”

Much of the economic debate in Germany now revolves around just how big those losses may be, particularly if the supply of energy from Russia is suddenly halted. Conclusions have ranged from mild to disastrous.

Tom Krebs, an economist at the University of Mannheim and adviser to the finance ministry, estimated in May that Germany’s national output could drop as much as 12 percent once ripple effects on industries beyond energy and consumers were taken into account.


Meanwhile, the people that will truly bear the brunt will be, as usual, Africans.

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The World Bank forecast after the invasion that global food prices would rise 20 per cent this year, far outpacing raw materials.

The impact is particularly grim in Africa, which usually imports grain from Ukraine as well as producing its own food. Fertiliser prices there have risen 300 per cent, and the continent is facing a shortage of 2mn metric tons, according to the African Development Bank. It has approved a $1.5bn programme to help farmers fill the gap but warns that total production could fall by 20 per cent this year.

Janet Yellen, the US Treasury secretary, said on Friday that the world was facing “an extremely difficult time for global food security” and urged the G20 group of leading nations to halt stockpiling and export restrictions on food and provide additional financial assistance to countries and people struggling with food insecurity.
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https://www.ft.com/content/7dd4c4cc-bb2d-4725-a1de-f95c394bad93

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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #3314 on: July 16, 2022, 04:33:14 PM »
jmho, and i've never managed the energy supply of a middling-sized european country, but if i were germany i'd start by not shutting down all my nuclear plants for no reason at all.
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« Reply #3315 on: July 16, 2022, 04:45:02 PM »
jmho, and i've never managed the energy supply of a middling-sized european country, but if i were germany i'd start by not shutting down all my nuclear plants for no reason at all.

in what sense is middling-sized being used here?

And the nuclear power would absolutely be helpful, but it would be nice if people were willing to engage with the fact that the G6 has basically forced most of the rest of the world to sign up for this sanctions regime's effects in one way or another and most of the rest of the world didn't actively sign up for this but will inevitably bear the brunt of the fallout. It is one thing to blame the invasion on Russia, it is another to blame all of the sanctions on Russia completely too.

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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #3316 on: July 16, 2022, 05:43:14 PM »
modifying country not european country.
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #3317 on: July 16, 2022, 10:28:29 PM »
Germany is a lesson in what not to do, sadly for them, the #neocons running our President are out to decimate Europe.






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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #3318 on: July 18, 2022, 11:41:53 AM »

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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #3319 on: July 18, 2022, 02:37:33 PM »
So you have to declare force majeure if the state that controls your company has already threatened to nuke your customers? Seems like a bit much.
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« Reply #3320 on: July 18, 2022, 03:06:44 PM »
So you have to declare force majeure if the state that controls your company has already threatened to nuke your customers? Seems like a bit much.

orcs are not known for brains

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Re: Possible WW3 thread
« Reply #3321 on: July 18, 2022, 04:38:32 PM »
"Sanctions will stop the Russians" and every #blueanon derp (numbering in the millions upon millions) believed it.

The Biden European decimation tour rolls on unabated. 

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« Reply #3322 on: July 18, 2022, 05:08:26 PM »
We may have underestimated how used to suffering the Soviet people are.
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« Reply #3323 on: July 18, 2022, 05:19:28 PM »
Who’s more mumped, Russia or Elon vs Twitter? I think I’d go Elon at this point.
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« Reply #3324 on: July 18, 2022, 06:13:46 PM »
Start chopping wood now beloved European allies.  :thumbsup: