Any derp who believes some of these stories without an independent investigation is, well, a derp.
Remember, #neoconGe's beloved James "Theranos" Mattis stated in 2017 that the United States and the Defense Intelligence agency had no certifiable evidence that Assad used chemical weapons in Syria.
In 2007 U.S. Department of State memos discussed Gaddafi's moves on nationalizing Libya's energy production, moving away from trading energy in dollars, and how that would limit the United States ability to "exploit" (direct quote) Libya's vast energy resources. By 2011 they had cooked up the human rights/atrocities stories to overthrow the Libyan government and that country was destroyed and been at war ever since.
Stories of the propaganda wars go on for days. So while I fully believe that both sides are capable of atrocities in Ukraine given the deep seated multi generational conflict between the two sides which dates back to before WWII and even before then. No one should believe these stories until independent verification. Of course now saying that draws scorn for #blueanonneocon/#neoconGe . . . which is just amazing to me given the the progression (or actually regression) of #proglibs to #blueanonneocon/#neoconGe. Again, once upon a time, #proglibs believed nothing the defense-intelligence state-state department told us relative to justifying going to war or supporting wars.
At this time, one could make an argument that the sanctions against Russia have hurt Europe more then it's actually hurt Russia. Which is one reason why I believe the current war mongering administration in the United States is perfectly fine with this war dragging on and on.
