Possible WW3 thread

[steve dave]

those things are like those pictures of tiny little baby ants carrying around like an entire almond or something.

[nicname]

They've given those drones bee strength!

[Pete]

Someday everyone is going to look back at this conflict as where really cool (but horrific) ideas came from.

[Pete]

Meanwhile, Russia is using the same tactics Stallin used.

[sonofdaxjones]

Pete, can you provide some links about these tactics?

[Dugout DickStone]

hardcore anti-russia think tank links only

[Pete]

Pete, can you provide some links about these tactics?

There have been quite a few reports from media outlets from diverse countries of origin about Russia throwing wave after wave of ill equipped human cannon fodder against the enemy.

[Pete]

Also the well documented WW2 era dependence on train rails (which do not match Europe standards) to resupply.  It basically like they froze all strategy in the 40’s. 


Credit to them for hypersonic missiles  tho. However, they allegedly cannot produce them very quickly.

[Tobias]

Two Russian Su-27 aircraft conducted an unsafe and unprofessional intercept with a U.S. Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance unmanned MQ-9 aircraft that was operating within international airspace over the Black Sea today.

At approximately 7:03 AM (CET), one of the Russian Su-27 aircraft struck the propeller of the MQ-9, causing U.S. forces to have to bring the MQ-9 down in international waters. Several times before the collision, the Su-27s dumped fuel on and flew in front of the MQ-9 in a reckless, environmentally unsound and unprofessional manner. This incident demonstrates a lack of competence in addition to being unsafe and unprofessional.

“Our MQ-9 aircraft was conducting routine operations in international airspace when it was intercepted and hit by a Russian aircraft, resulting in a crash and complete loss of the MQ-9,” said U.S. Air Force Gen. James B. Hecker, commander, U.S. Air Forces Europe and Air Forces Africa. “In fact, this unsafe and unprofessional act by the Russians nearly caused both aircraft to crash.”

“U.S. and Allied aircraft will continue to operate in international airspace and we call on the Russians to conduct themselves professionally and safely,” Hecker added.

This incident follows a pattern of dangerous actions by Russian pilots while interacting with U.S. and Allied aircraft over international airspace, including over the Black Sea. These aggressive actions by Russian aircrew are dangerous and could lead to miscalculation and unintended escalation.

U.S. Air Forces in Europe – Air Forces Africa routinely fly aircraft throughout Europe over sovereign territory and throughout international airspace in coordination with applicable host nation and international laws. In order to bolster collective European defense and security, these missions support Allied, partner, and U.S. national objectives.

https://www.eucom.mil/pressrelease/42314/russian-aircraft-collides-into-us-unmanned-system-in-international-waters

[sonofdaxjones]

Also the well documented WW2 era dependence on train rails (which do not match Europe standards) to resupply.  It basically like they froze all strategy in the 40’s. 


Credit to them for hypersonic missiles  tho. However, they allegedly cannot produce them very quickly.

Russia's support mechanisms have been discussed and that's one of the reasons why the whole Russia is going to roll over all of Europe narrative that extreme mush brains continually parrot to defend the perpetual war and blank checks is so very  .  But that's what #neocons do, they convince simp brained derps to believe nearly impossible narratives so in turn the simp brained derps parrot the nonsense and sign up for blank check perpetual wars. 

But who is documenting these human wave attacks?  Any links?

[sys]

i think dax is correct that it is misleading to say russia is using "human wave" attacks or ww2 tactics.  neither side can mount anything like an attack on ww2 scale, partly because neither side has ww2 resources, but mostly because with constant surveillance and v accurate weaponry, if you aggregate personnel or armor you create a target attractive enough to use expensive pinpoint munitions and everything gets blowed up.

what russia is doing (at least wagner) is using small groups of infantry to conduct recon by suicide.  they push forward until ukraine has to kill them and in doing so reveal their position letting russia target them with artillery.

these are small groupings on both sides of the equation.   

[wetwillie]

I think when Pete says large waves of humanity he means how many troops Russia has managed to have die in a year. Not that they are sending in large physical groups of people in one concentrated place. They have lost like 70k people and twice as many wounded.

[Dugout DickStone]

I think when Pete says large waves of humanity he means how many troops Russia has managed to have die in a year. Not that they are sending in large physical groups of people in one concentrated place. They have lost like 70k people and twice as many wounded.

yes, I think he meant the way moscow doesn't care even a little about how many russians die.

[sonofdaxjones]

First world weapons fighting first world weapons is a very deadly thing.

It's not lobbing smart bombs from 28k feet into mud huts, with a few guys with AK-47's inside and a couple of old Mahindra pick-ups parked out front.

[wetwillie]

I enjoyed that imagery Dax. I pictured a 96 Toyota Tacoma with a turret mounted on the back since I don’t know what a Mahindra is.

[star seed 7]

First world weapons fighting first world weapons is a very deadly thing.

It's not lobbing smart bombs from 28k feet into mud huts, with a few guys with AK-47's inside and a couple of old Mahindra pick-ups parked out front.

Maybe your guy should have thought about before invading, at least Stalin was wasting a generation on stopping the nazis

[sonofdaxjones]

First world weapons fighting first world weapons is a very deadly thing.

It's not lobbing smart bombs from 28k feet into mud huts, with a few guys with AK-47's inside and a couple of old Mahindra pick-ups parked out front.

Maybe your guy should have thought about before invading, at least Stalin was wasting a generation on stopping the nazis

So just allow NATO and the EU to park on the Russian doorstep?

The United States has never allowed similar, but you expect the Russians to allow it.  Fascinating . . . very hegemonic

As an aside, remember, you guys completely lost your minds about Trump, and he wanted to move more U.S. forces even closer to Russia (cancelled open skies, preached U.S. energy dominance which hurt Russia, wanted the Europeans to spend more on defense . . . that doesn't help Putin, and buy gas from the United States . . . thus hurting Putin).  Which collectively makes #blueanonneocon/#neocongE the most fascinating observation ever.  You guys are just weird as rough ridin' eff, man.

[wetwillie]

If you believe that Peter Ziehan guy the Russians don’t think they will be around in a relevant manner a generation from now unless they reclaim pre Soviet Union collapse territory.

[Spracne]

Isn't it interesting that the "bringing NATO to Russia's doorstep" narrative is being presented as an excuse to (attempt to) bring Russia to NATO's doorstep?

[sonofdaxjones]

Isn't it interesting that the "bringing NATO to Russia's doorstep" narrative is being presented as an excuse to (attempt to) bring Russia to NATO's doorstep?

The Soviet Union (Russia) was at NATO's doorstep for the first 40 years of NATO's existence.  During that time there wasn't a single land war in Europe.

Should we compare and contrast the dropping of NATO bombs and the use of NATO weapons in Europe since the end of WWII til the break-up of the Soviet Union and since the break up of the Soviet Union?

[star seed 7]

With the benefit of hindsight Ukraine should have joined NATO long ago to protect themselves from the savages next door

[sonofdaxjones]

With the benefit of hindsight Ukraine should have joined NATO long ago to protect themselves from the savages next door

We don't need hindsight to tell us that when Ukraine even slightly drifts towards Moscow, this country overthrows the government of Ukraine and kills a lot of people in the process 

[star seed 7]

Well that certainly does sound way worse than bombing pediatric hospitals

[sonofdaxjones]

But not as bad as continuously hiding troops and weapons behind civilians as the Amnesty International report stated.

Some people are easily manipulated and propagandized, StalkerBot.7 is one of those people.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

Well that certainly does sound way worse than bombing pediatric hospitals

don't forget about the nazis (numbering in the millions upon millions!)