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« Reply #750 on: June 28, 2022, 06:22:19 PM »
Texas and Florida are easily the most important GOP states, and they are very much anti-gay.

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« Reply #751 on: June 28, 2022, 07:28:59 PM »
Weird story Texas was more competitive than Minnesota in 2020 at the Presidential Level.

Texas and Florida are easily the most important GOP states, and they are very much anti-gay.

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« Reply #752 on: June 28, 2022, 08:01:10 PM »
Weird story Texas was more competitive than Minnesota in 2020 at the Presidential Level.

Texas and Florida are easily the most important GOP states, and they are very much anti-gay.
That’s because presidential elections aren’t gerrymandered


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« Reply #753 on: June 28, 2022, 09:53:17 PM »
what about Ish Masood, stuck here and unable to transfer?  I don't know his religion for a fact but he could be Muslim based on name.

He is Muslim, Tang has spoken about it. He also could have transferred if he wanted, the NCAA hasn't really declined any waivers.


I don't think anyone addressed my point about this ruling. If they struck down the appellate court ruling they would be restricting his right to pray on the field, the ruling wasn't about coercion of his players. If it was deemed that he or anyone else were forcing players to pray, while working at a public school, then that should be dealt with as a separate issue.
I will point out again, that this ruling allows a Muslim coach to pray, publically, while coaching his team. When this happens, there is no expectation of any player joining the coach. The rights of all practicers of religion shouldn't be punished because the majority of bad actors, in this realm, are evangelicals.

u are buying into the majority's spin on the facts, which is contradicted by photographic evidence(!) in the dissent.  read it.  suffice it to say, a lot more was going on there besides the coach quietly praying on the field.

 

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« Reply #754 on: June 28, 2022, 10:11:46 PM »
Yeah, I didn't really want to get into that one, but liberal conlaw twitter is absolutely adamant that the conservatives are misconstruing the case. I don't doubt that at all. That case is perfect culture war crap that they love.

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« Reply #755 on: June 28, 2022, 10:42:59 PM »
I know that, what that statement is saying that Texas is getting more competitive. It won’t flip as fast as Georgia or Virginia but it’s something to watch in the future.
Weird story Texas was more competitive than Minnesota in 2020 at the Presidential Level.

Texas and Florida are easily the most important GOP states, and they are very much anti-gay.
That’s because presidential elections aren’t gerrymandered


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« Reply #756 on: June 29, 2022, 12:09:16 AM »
Can’t believe someone just posted a robert reich tweet

Facts can be hard to read and accept

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« Reply #757 on: June 29, 2022, 12:12:18 AM »
Robert "Third" Reich

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« Reply #758 on: June 29, 2022, 12:20:20 AM »
what about Ish Masood, stuck here and unable to transfer?  I don't know his religion for a fact but he could be Muslim based on name.

He is Muslim, Tang has spoken about it. He also could have transferred if he wanted, the NCAA hasn't really declined any waivers.


I don't think anyone addressed my point about this ruling. If they struck down the appellate court ruling they would be restricting his right to pray on the field, the ruling wasn't about coercion of his players. If it was deemed that he or anyone else were forcing players to pray, while working at a public school, then that should be dealt with as a separate issue.
I will point out again, that this ruling allows a Muslim coach to pray, publically, while coaching his team. When this happens, there is no expectation of any player joining the coach. The rights of all practicers of religion shouldn't be punished because the majority of bad actors, in this realm, are evangelicals.

u are buying into the majority's spin on the facts, which is contradicted by photographic evidence(!) in the dissent.  read it.  suffice it to say, a lot more was going on there besides the coach quietly praying on the field.

I'm not buying any spin, I've yet to read a single quote about this case, before or after the ruling, that contended that this coach mandated prayer for anyone.

Yes, the heart of this issue is conservative culture war bullshit, but once again, telling a public school employee that they can't pray at their place of work would have had ramifications far beyond the religious right. I taught with a teacher who prayed in her classroom during Ramadan, of course no one was there when she did it, but if that ruling wasn't affirmed, she 109% would have lost the opportunity to pray, alone, in her classroom.

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« Reply #759 on: June 29, 2022, 12:23:22 AM »
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« Reply #760 on: June 29, 2022, 02:14:16 AM »
what about Ish Masood, stuck here and unable to transfer?  I don't know his religion for a fact but he could be Muslim based on name.

He is Muslim, Tang has spoken about it. He also could have transferred if he wanted, the NCAA hasn't really declined any waivers.


I don't think anyone addressed my point about this ruling. If they struck down the appellate court ruling they would be restricting his right to pray on the field, the ruling wasn't about coercion of his players. If it was deemed that he or anyone else were forcing players to pray, while working at a public school, then that should be dealt with as a separate issue.
I will point out again, that this ruling allows a Muslim coach to pray, publically, while coaching his team. When this happens, there is no expectation of any player joining the coach. The rights of all practicers of religion shouldn't be punished because the majority of bad actors, in this realm, are evangelicals.

u are buying into the majority's spin on the facts, which is contradicted by photographic evidence(!) in the dissent.  read it.  suffice it to say, a lot more was going on there besides the coach quietly praying on the field.

I'm not buying any spin, I've yet to read a single quote about this case, before or after the ruling, that contended that this coach mandated prayer for anyone.

Yes, the heart of this issue is conservative culture war bullshit, but once again, telling a public school employee that they can't pray at their place of work would have had ramifications far beyond the religious right. I taught with a teacher who prayed in her classroom during Ramadan, of course no one was there when she did it, but if that ruling wasn't affirmed, she 109% would have lost the opportunity to pray, alone, in her classroom.
you are completely misreading it the case.  (or, more likely, not reading the case, just commentary about it.) 
1) there can be inappropriate coercion without an explicit mandate.
2) even the majority admits that even if the coach lost the case, your teacher friend could face no consequences.  (school in this case offered the coach time to pray behind closed doors in private, but that was not good enough for either the coach or the majority)

anyway, it's not that long read it for yourself  https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21-418_i425.pdf

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« Reply #761 on: June 29, 2022, 09:15:44 AM »
what about Ish Masood, stuck here and unable to transfer?  I don't know his religion for a fact but he could be Muslim based on name.

He is Muslim, Tang has spoken about it. He also could have transferred if he wanted, the NCAA hasn't really declined any waivers.


I don't think anyone addressed my point about this ruling. If they struck down the appellate court ruling they would be restricting his right to pray on the field, the ruling wasn't about coercion of his players. If it was deemed that he or anyone else were forcing players to pray, while working at a public school, then that should be dealt with as a separate issue.
I will point out again, that this ruling allows a Muslim coach to pray, publically, while coaching his team. When this happens, there is no expectation of any player joining the coach. The rights of all practicers of religion shouldn't be punished because the majority of bad actors, in this realm, are evangelicals.

u are buying into the majority's spin on the facts, which is contradicted by photographic evidence(!) in the dissent.  read it.  suffice it to say, a lot more was going on there besides the coach quietly praying on the field.

I'm not buying any spin, I've yet to read a single quote about this case, before or after the ruling, that contended that this coach mandated prayer for anyone.

Yes, the heart of this issue is conservative culture war bullshit, but once again, telling a public school employee that they can't pray at their place of work would have had ramifications far beyond the religious right. I taught with a teacher who prayed in her classroom during Ramadan, of course no one was there when she did it, but if that ruling wasn't affirmed, she 109% would have lost the opportunity to pray, alone, in her classroom.

What would your opinion be if the teacher would have prayed out loud to start class off every day and encouraged the rest of the class to join in? Students who weren't interested would be able to stay in their seats, of course.

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« Reply #762 on: June 29, 2022, 09:31:07 AM »
what about Ish Masood, stuck here and unable to transfer?  I don't know his religion for a fact but he could be Muslim based on name.

He is Muslim, Tang has spoken about it. He also could have transferred if he wanted, the NCAA hasn't really declined any waivers.


I don't think anyone addressed my point about this ruling. If they struck down the appellate court ruling they would be restricting his right to pray on the field, the ruling wasn't about coercion of his players. If it was deemed that he or anyone else were forcing players to pray, while working at a public school, then that should be dealt with as a separate issue.
I will point out again, that this ruling allows a Muslim coach to pray, publically, while coaching his team. When this happens, there is no expectation of any player joining the coach. The rights of all practicers of religion shouldn't be punished because the majority of bad actors, in this realm, are evangelicals.

u are buying into the majority's spin on the facts, which is contradicted by photographic evidence(!) in the dissent.  read it.  suffice it to say, a lot more was going on there besides the coach quietly praying on the field.

I'm not buying any spin, I've yet to read a single quote about this case, before or after the ruling, that contended that this coach mandated prayer for anyone.

Yes, the heart of this issue is conservative culture war bullshit, but once again, telling a public school employee that they can't pray at their place of work would have had ramifications far beyond the religious right. I taught with a teacher who prayed in her classroom during Ramadan, of course no one was there when she did it, but if that ruling wasn't affirmed, she 109% would have lost the opportunity to pray, alone, in her classroom.
you are completely misreading it the case.  (or, more likely, not reading the case, just commentary about it.) 
1) there can be inappropriate coercion without an explicit mandate.
2) even the majority admits that even if the coach lost the case, your teacher friend could face no consequences.  (school in this case offered the coach time to pray behind closed doors in private, but that was not good enough for either the coach or the majority)

anyway, it's not that long read it for yourself  https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21-418_i425.pdf
I only got 2 pages in;
"The contested exercise here does not involve
leading prayers with the team; the District disciplined Mr. Kennedy
only for his decision to persist in praying quietly without his students
after three games in October 2015."
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« Reply #763 on: June 29, 2022, 09:56:20 AM »
I only got 2 pages in;
"The contested exercise here does not involve
leading prayers with the team; the District disciplined Mr. Kennedy
only for his decision to persist in praying quietly without his students
after three games in October 2015."

Isn't this what is said is being misconstrued, though? Lots of smart, reasonable people say that the conservative justices lied about the facts of the case. (The same justices who lied under oath about Roe.)

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« Reply #764 on: June 29, 2022, 12:24:29 PM »
https://twitter.com/jonshorman/status/1541980613791694850?s=21&t=96W1r51rz5oDJtPH306JFQ


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« Reply #765 on: June 29, 2022, 12:31:11 PM »
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« Reply #766 on: June 29, 2022, 12:49:46 PM »
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« Reply #767 on: June 29, 2022, 01:33:03 PM »
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WTF. Are even the most hardcore fringe’y anti abortion people against plan B? Seems like this would fall to total ban with no exceptions. Concur DLew?

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« Reply #768 on: June 29, 2022, 01:35:21 PM »
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WTF. Are even the most hardcore fringe’y anti abortion people against plan B? Seems like this would fall to total ban with no exceptions. Concur DLew?

A lot of people are completely against post-sex contraception because they believe in making sluts face the consequences.

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« Reply #769 on: June 29, 2022, 01:48:11 PM »
Can’t believe someone just posted a robert reich tweet
Just reminded me of how Rush Limbaugh used to say "Robert Reisssssshhhhh" on his show.

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« Reply #770 on: June 29, 2022, 01:55:20 PM »
Saint Luke’s stopped giving plan b pills


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WTF. Are even the most hardcore fringe’y anti abortion people against plan B? Seems like this would fall to total ban with no exceptions. Concur DLew?
Scared of  Missouri’s new law


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« Reply #771 on: June 29, 2022, 02:35:26 PM »
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WTF. Are even the most hardcore fringe’y anti abortion people against plan B? Seems like this would fall to total ban with no exceptions. Concur DLew?
Well, first, plan B isn't prohibited.  https://missouriindependent.com/2022/06/29/missouri-ag-says-state-abortion-ban-does-not-prohibit-plan-b-or-contraception/

Second, even if it was prohibited, i don't think that would render it "total ban no exception" if an exception exists for "medical emergencies" right there in the text of the statute.



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« Reply #772 on: June 29, 2022, 02:47:55 PM »
Some random lib: the sun is hot
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Robert “Third” Reich is not some random lib and any ProgLib (or anyone else) who openly lobbies for Pol Potian re-education camps deserves every ounce of ridicule they get. 

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« Reply #774 on: June 29, 2022, 03:25:48 PM »
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/the-myth-at-the-heart-of-the-praying-bremerton-coach-case/

Pretty good summary of the coach praying case.

So how did this happen? Were these facts not included in the record on appeal? How did SCOTUS mangle the facts so badly? As they say, bad facts make bad law.