Supreme Court Cases Thread

[catastrophe]

FWIW - I’m Catholic and, while I disagree with Pope Francis regarding some Catholic nerd stuff, I agree with the quotes from the article.  The tweets make it sound like the Vatican is suggesting that Catholics ought to be concerned with the other issues to the exclusion of abortion - which is not how I read the quotes at all.

Isn’t the thing that makes Catholics Catholic that they believe the pope is always right on matters of doctrine?

Lol, no.  Aside from your post being reductive about “what makes Catholics Catholic,” infallibility is a bit more complicated than that.

I don’t say that to be reductive. My understanding is that Catholics would be the same as Eastern Orthodox if they didn’t recognize the absolute authority of the pope.

[Pete]

Man, libs hate religion so hard!


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I think conservatives could learn a thing or two about spirituality and how it differs from religion.

[MakeItRain]

So many issues would be better served without involving the federal government. It’s a great day for our republic.

wow

[MakeItRain]

This girl is canceled now btw

https://twitter.com/simplyabi242/status/1540485239646085122?s=21&t=EbIahj6sRPfrSkQpWFTGhw


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The tweet has 242,000 likes and she doesn't even live in the untied states.

[cfbandyman]

Man, libs hate religion so hard!


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I think conservatives could learn a thing or two about spirituality and how it differs from religion.

When a religion tells people who are not of their religion how they are to conduct themselves, it's a problem. Totally agree on the spirituality part. Dogma vs. more practical thinking about ones place within a church or group.

[MakeItRain]

So many issues would be better served without involving the federal government. It’s a great day for our republic.

This ain't one

Disagree! Based on my religious beliefs

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I don’t believe in God.

A libertarian that is also anti abortion


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The less federal oversight the better. The State is the enemy of the people. Monopoly on violence. Armed thugs.

You don't believe the first sentence, literally no one who lives in a democratic country does, it's not even remotely possible.

Your following sentences have nothing to do with your first one, nor does it have anything to do with the topic in this thread.

[nicname]

Man, I was edgelording pretty hard last night. Partied too hard I guess

[MakeItRain]

I kinda hope Clarance Thomas does get them to readdress other cases. Piss off the entire left and center leaning conservatives. Get them all good and fired up.

There's only one center leaning conservative on the court and I don't even know if that's a fair descriptor of him, he's just the only conservative that isn't overtly political.

[DQ12]

FWIW - I’m Catholic and, while I disagree with Pope Francis regarding some Catholic nerd stuff, I agree with the quotes from the article.  The tweets make it sound like the Vatican is suggesting that Catholics ought to be concerned with the other issues to the exclusion of abortion - which is not how I read the quotes at all.

You know what really rough ridin' sucks?  The fact that anyone that isn’t catholic should have to be concerned in any single rough ridin' way what the rough ridin' pope thinks when it comes to governance, legislation, or judicial precedent while living in the country born of the need of religious freedom. That really rough ridin' sucks.

Well when you live in a democracy you sometimes need to take an interest in things that influence the rest of the electorate.

[DQ12]

FWIW - I’m Catholic and, while I disagree with Pope Francis regarding some Catholic nerd stuff, I agree with the quotes from the article.  The tweets make it sound like the Vatican is suggesting that Catholics ought to be concerned with the other issues to the exclusion of abortion - which is not how I read the quotes at all.

Isn’t the thing that makes Catholics Catholic that they believe the pope is always right on matters of doctrine?

Lol, no.  Aside from your post being reductive about “what makes Catholics Catholic,” infallibility is a bit more complicated than that.

I don’t say that to be reductive. My understanding is that Catholics would be the same as Eastern Orthodox if they didn’t recognize the absolute authority of the pope.

ah yeah I guess if you’re specifically comparing Roman Catholicism to Eastern Orthodox, then yeah the authority/leadership of the Vatican is one of the primary differences, but it’s broader than the concept of infallibility.

[Cire]

FWIW - I’m Catholic and, while I disagree with Pope Francis regarding some Catholic nerd stuff, I agree with the quotes from the article.  The tweets make it sound like the Vatican is suggesting that Catholics ought to be concerned with the other issues to the exclusion of abortion - which is not how I read the quotes at all.

You know what really rough ridin' sucks?  The fact that anyone that isn’t catholic should have to be concerned in any single rough ridin' way what the rough ridin' pope thinks when it comes to governance, legislation, or judicial precedent while living in the country born of the need of religious freedom. That really rough ridin' sucks.

Well when you live in a democracy you sometimes need to take an interest in things that influence the rest of the electorate.

Yes follow rules set forth by justices appointed by presidents who lost popular votes


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[CNS]

FWIW - I’m Catholic and, while I disagree with Pope Francis regarding some Catholic nerd stuff, I agree with the quotes from the article.  The tweets make it sound like the Vatican is suggesting that Catholics ought to be concerned with the other issues to the exclusion of abortion - which is not how I read the quotes at all.

You know what really rough ridin' sucks?  The fact that anyone that isn’t catholic should have to be concerned in any single rough ridin' way what the rough ridin' pope thinks when it comes to governance, legislation, or judicial precedent while living in the country born of the need of religious freedom. That really rough ridin' sucks.

Well when you live in a democracy you sometimes need to take an interest in things that influence the rest of the electorate.

That’s a cheap answer to a contradiction that the religious are somehow comfortable with.

[yoga-like_abana]

Man, libs hate religion so hard!


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I think conservatives could learn a thing or two about spirituality and how it differs from religion.

While I agree with your sentiment don’t paint that broad brush. I think most religious people would do well to take to heart the quote from ghandi. I like your Christ. I do not like your Christian’s. They are so unlike your Christ.


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[DQ12]

FWIW - I’m Catholic and, while I disagree with Pope Francis regarding some Catholic nerd stuff, I agree with the quotes from the article.  The tweets make it sound like the Vatican is suggesting that Catholics ought to be concerned with the other issues to the exclusion of abortion - which is not how I read the quotes at all.

You know what really rough ridin' sucks?  The fact that anyone that isn’t catholic should have to be concerned in any single rough ridin' way what the rough ridin' pope thinks when it comes to governance, legislation, or judicial precedent while living in the country born of the need of religious freedom. That really rough ridin' sucks.

Well when you live in a democracy you sometimes need to take an interest in things that influence the rest of the electorate.

That’s a cheap answer to a contradiction that the religious are somehow comfortable with.

I don’t understand how it’s cheap, nor do I understand what the contradiction is.  It’s not as if the US was founded as a place free of any religious influence.

If you don’t want to pay attention to electoral influences, then don’t.

[chum1]

If things were democratic, abortion wouldn't be illegal. Not even close.

[cfbandyman]

Man, libs hate religion so hard!


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I think conservatives could learn a thing or two about spirituality and how it differs from religion.

While I agree with your sentiment don’t paint that broad brush. I think most religious people would do well to take to heart the quote from ghandi. I like your Christ. I do not like your Christian’s. They are so unlike your Christ.


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Oh, totally forgot that quote. It's so goddamn true

[Pete]

Man, libs hate religion so hard!


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I think conservatives could learn a thing or two about spirituality and how it differs from religion.

While I agree with your sentiment don’t paint that broad brush. I think most religious people would do well to take to heart the quote from ghandi. I like your Christ. I do not like your Christian’s. They are so unlike your Christ.


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That’s a wonderful quote.

[420seriouscat69]

https://twitter.com/cernovich/status/1540880126576996352?s=21&t=-s671mLz3v7uXLHj7ZH37Q


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[420seriouscat69]

Jesus!

https://twitter.com/edpaulbangura/status/1522373121701031936?s=21&t=-s671mLz3v7uXLHj7ZH37Q


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[Spracne]

Agreed.  I always thought Miranda was just an evidentiary issue.  I haven’t read the opinion though.

§ 1983

[dal9]

Agreed.  I always thought Miranda was just an evidentiary issue.  I haven’t read the opinion though.

§ 1983

i think they were asking what u could actually sue for if the evidence is thrown out. 
the point is, sometimes the evidence is mistakenly admitted and a person spends time in prison, for which they could (previously) seek compensation (as in the case the Supreme Court heard)

[420seriouscat69]

Do you all just convince yourselves that abortion cases are because of the worst case scenario’s OAT to feel better about your stances or do you choose to ignore that 80% of the cases could be prevented by obvious precautions?


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[Spracne]

Agreed.  I always thought Miranda was just an evidentiary issue.  I haven’t read the opinion though.

§ 1983

i think they were asking what u could actually sue for if the evidence is thrown out. 
the point is, sometimes the evidence is mistakenly admitted and a person spends time in prison, for which they could (previously) seek compensation (as in the case the Supreme Court heard)

They = Dlew?

In that particular case, the evidence was admitted, though the defendant was acquitted, nonetheless.

I worked on § 1983 cases while clerking at the Solicitor General's office, and the injury can simply be the deprivation of an established right.

I'm not sure if I'm fully understanding your response, so please let me know if that's the case.

[dal9]

Agreed.  I always thought Miranda was just an evidentiary issue.  I haven’t read the opinion though.

§ 1983

i think they were asking what u could actually sue for if the evidence is thrown out. 
the point is, sometimes the evidence is mistakenly admitted and a person spends time in prison, for which they could (previously) seek compensation (as in the case the Supreme Court heard)

They = Dlew?

In that particular case, the evidence was admitted, though the defendant was acquitted, nonetheless.

I worked on § 1983 cases while clerking at the Solicitor General's office, and the injury can simply be the deprivation of an established right.

I'm not sure if I'm fully understanding your response, so please let me know if that's the case.

yeah that's what i meant.

i thought the guy spent time in prison in the case--must have misread or misremembered

but do people ever recover  anything, under 1983, for deprivation of an established right if they can't point to concrete financial damages? 

[DQ12]

Ah…yeah I’m not super familiar with 1983 stuff.