Supreme Court Cases Thread

[steve dave]

lmao

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1521875715641298944

[Spracne]

I consider myself pro life but I don’t believe in completely banning abortion.

If I were the philosopher king I’d probably make abortion legal up to a few weeks before viability. Then ban it starting around 20 weeks or so, allowing exceptions where the fetus is not viable or where the mother’s health is at serious risk by continuing the pregnancy. I’d probably make an exception to that last exception in cases where the baby is far enough along it could reasonably be “birthed” just as much as it could be terminated.

All of this stuff about abortion IMO always dances around to me the real issue I have with abortion, and really more people who advocate "prolife". I get all what I'm about to say (and by the way not really directed at you, just the idea of let's philosopher king thing makes me just want to say what I think is best and what we should really work towards) is going to be a lil long, and bit straw man and ad hoc to make it work, but I'll keep it as brief as I can.

IMO my biggest beef with anti-abortion/prolife people is they never either follow through on their philosophy or provide viable alternatives to the issue at hand that basically make the idea of abortion the solution, even if it's perceived as morally heinous. Those people tend to shut down any avenue of reprieve that makes you either want to have the kid, or because having the kid will put you in the poor house, you want to prevent it.

Comprehensive sex education? Not in my school. Free/reduced contraception and education on it? It'll turn kids into fornicators. Then shame them for when they're out of wedlock and have a kid in high school or whatever. The only solution to them is sex in marriage, and abstinence outside, and anything less you're an awful person (can you tell I went to a Catholic Church growing up at this point).

Then what about actually getting the child born. Maternity/Paternity leave? Nope, get back to work, provide for that child. Childcare? Nope, should've thought of that and make enough money! Education, ugh, this little crap is causing my property taxes to rise, let's gut the education system especially since it's going to turn that kid liberal. Healthcare? Better work! Ain't nothing for free!. On and on, there is no "prolife" from many of them, it's pro birth and take care of it on your own you heathen, don't bother me with it the second the poor kid is ushered into a world that celebrates it's completion of pregnancy and curses the burden it now apparently puts on society. The only real alternative is adoption, which is good, but often leaves that kid in foster care or in a very uncertain situation, and hardly the answer for an additional 600k births/year.

If pro-lifers really were pro-life, they should do everything they can to care of the kid after it's born, and teach their sons and daughters the importance and responsibility of being a parent, and give them every tool out there to keep it from happening until the mom was ready to actually have the kid, and when she did know that by having the kid she could get some goddamn paid time off, some childcare, and an education system that will help them thrive, and some damn healthcare to care for them when they're sick regardless of their employment status. We become a better society when we secure our basic needs, not make it crush us under the weight of indifference.

That's what I'd do as the philosopher king, abortion would be legal, but I'd do everything I could to make it be the last resort, and not the resort from narrow hallways and giant hoops to jump through, but because you are armed with the things to prevent it, and even if you do want it you'll have the means to do it. Pie in the sky? Of course, but ugh it bothers me so goddamn much. I guess in summary if there was a perfect solution it'd be to somehow codify the right for a woman to get pregnant when she wants to is all I'm really looking for, with the out she can still abort even if I think that's not the answer I want.

Which is also one last thing, I do feel so many pro-birthers think pro-choice people get off somehow on having abortions, which is such a misread of the situation, but it's also only how it's presented to them.

Hello. I would like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.

Seriously, so much of this resonated with me (including the Catholic part). Sometimes I wonder (a) how I survived this long on the Earth, and (b) whether I'm permanently mumped up. 

[Spracne]

On one hand, many experts said the new justices would not reverse Roe. On the other, that's EXACTLY what they were put there to do.

Real being real, of all the big hot button culture war issues this is the one I care about the least, like by far. I think that ultimately these states will roll back some of the most extreme abortion restrictions while still heavily restricting abortions.

What pisses me off about this is that Gorsuch and Kavanaugh both said in their confirmation hearings that Roe vs. Wade was settled precedent. That idiot Susan Collins voted yes for both of them and said she did so because they wouldn't overturn Roe vs. Wade. People are going hard with the performative outrage about the leak, as if it means anything substantiative, but have nothing to say about these dudes lying their asses off.

Yeah, the bolded part is what really rustles my jimmies. I'm already cynical and didn't want to become more cynical :(

[Rage Against the McKee]

There probably isn't a way to actually fix the courts now, right?

[Spracne]

There probably isn't a way to actually fix the courts now, right?

Let's wait until when/if the rumored decision comes down. But if it does, I'm team BID

[CNS]

There probably isn't a way to actually fix the courts now, right?

Between the two party system and corporate money, it's been over.

[sonofdaxjones]

I hope the #blueanoner who leaked this gets awarded the #blueanonGe DeflectoBot of the Year Medal

[Dugout DickStone]

lmao

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1521875715641298944

maga all star

[Spracne]

lmao

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1521875715641298944

maga all star

And she also wasn't nominated/confirmed by the date this draft was circulated. Lol.

[Kid In the Hall]

If/when this goes through, it'll be interesting to see how the business community responds. It's obviously a tough position, but I imagine there will be requests for boycotts, requests to formally state positions, etc. Will groups like the Chamber of Commerce respond in a similar manner as they've done with LGBTQ issues? And, for states with greater access, will the reverse be true with respect to requests for boycotts from pro-lifers?

[ChiComCat]

If/when this goes through, it'll be interesting to see how the business community responds. It's obviously a tough position, but I imagine there will be requests for boycotts, requests to formally state positions, etc. Will groups like the Chamber of Commerce respond in a similar manner as they've done with LGBTQ issues? And, for states with greater access, will the reverse be true with respect to requests for boycotts from pro-lifers?

Who/what is getting boycotted?

[catastrophe]

If/when this goes through, it'll be interesting to see how the business community responds. It's obviously a tough position, but I imagine there will be requests for boycotts, requests to formally state positions, etc. Will groups like the Chamber of Commerce respond in a similar manner as they've done with LGBTQ issues? And, for states with greater access, will the reverse be true with respect to requests for boycotts from pro-lifers?

Who/what is getting boycotted?

I think he’s getting at a situation similar to the Bathroom Bill stuff where artists and other companies refused to do business in states that passed stupid laws.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Has anyone seen any polling on the Kansas anti-abortion amendment that is on the ballot in August? I'm assuming that thing passes with like 70% of the vote since the democrats rarely even have anything on their primary ballot, but just curious.

[Spracne]

If/when this goes through, it'll be interesting to see how the business community responds. It's obviously a tough position, but I imagine there will be requests for boycotts, requests to formally state positions, etc. Will groups like the Chamber of Commerce respond in a similar manner as they've done with LGBTQ issues? And, for states with greater access, will the reverse be true with respect to requests for boycotts from pro-lifers?

I'm tempted to go into business as an abortionist, myself.

[Justwin]

Has anyone seen any polling on the Kansas anti-abortion amendment that is on the ballot in August? I'm assuming that thing passes with like 70% of the vote since the democrats rarely even have anything on their primary ballot, but just curious.

I have not seen any polling, but I will be voting in a primary for maybe the first time ever. I will be voting Yes.

[sonofdaxjones]

Just looking forward to when the Pink Hats/Code Pink disrupt official government proceedings (again).

Based on recent observation, we need to keep all weapons away from Liz Warren.   She's coming unhinged.   Don't want James Hodgkinson Part II.

[Spracne]

Dax, this isn't the thread for this post and is totally off-topic, but it came to me that you are John Bender from the classic 80's romp The Breakfast Club. It seems like you want this ethos.

[sonofdaxjones]

Terrible analogy (no surprise there)

 

You and your fellow #neoconGe are the last people that can say that.

Thus the name, deflectobots.

Liz Warren's meltdown today was wholly driven by the Supreme Court leak, topical as hell.

JFC dude, you responded to a bullshit Tweet about a dipshit Newsmax commentator just a few posts back.

[Spracne]

Terrible analogy (no surprise there)

It was a metaphor, Bender.

You mess with the bull, you get the 'horns.

[sonofdaxjones]

Terrible analogy (no surprise there)

It was a metaphor, Bender.

You mess with the bull, you get the 'horns.

Steer is vastly more appropriate.

Nice edit on the rest of my spot on post, tho.   How very Phil Titola of you.

[Spracne]

Terrible analogy (no surprise there)

It was a metaphor, Bender.

You mess with the bull, you get the 'horns.

Steer is vastly more appropriate.

Nice edit on the rest of my spot on post, tho.   How very Phil Titola of you.

[sonofdaxjones]

A tsunami of tapouts.   Oh, and please stop facilitating SteveDave and Chum (as well as others) when they try to inject non topical items or extremely poor barely topical humor from Elon Musk's evil Twitter machine.

[Spracne]

A tsunami of tapouts.   Oh, and please stop facilitating SteveDave and Chum (as well as others) when they try to inject non topical items or extremely poor barely topical humor from Elon Musk's evil Twitter machine.

[sonofdaxjones]

The steer is running back to the herd.

Sad

[Spracne]

Might need a separate Tweets I Wished I Authored Thread, but lol:

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1522007908308951040?s=20&t=pGY2ArA4gYLbHu_TQ01YnA