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« Reply #150 on: May 05, 2022, 05:10:52 PM »
so the only potential recourse would be to impeach a sitting Justice...i guess my question would be "is lying during your confirmation hearing an impeachable offense?"

I am not joking when I say that if decision comes down as expected, the Supreme Court just tazed their balls off. eff around and find out kinda stuff.

This.  Knowing that the SC is a partisan group of hacks who lie will have an effect on all levels of appellate law.  and holy crap when unhealthy shits like Alito and Thomas pass watch out for justices Kalen and Ellen if there is a dem in the WH.  They literally turned it into the House

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« Reply #151 on: May 05, 2022, 05:14:13 PM »
so the only potential recourse would be to impeach a sitting Justice...i guess my question would be "is lying during your confirmation hearing an impeachable offense?"

I am not joking when I say that if decision comes down as expected, the Supreme Court just tazed their balls off. eff around and find out kinda stuff.

They tazed their balls off with the original Roe decision.

You mean the one you've never read?

Can you explain to me again why Biden's employer vaccine mandate will be found constitutional again?

The one that this Court found unconstitutional? Or the government employees one? Thanks for admitting you found Roe wrongly decided without having actually read it, btw.

Roe was wrongly decided. I don't have to read the decision if the conclusion it reached was wrong.

Regardless, there are plenty of legal scholars that think Roe was poorly reasoned and there are many in favor of the conclusion that believe it was poorly reasoned. That's enough for me to conclude it was poorly reasoned, especially given that I think the conclusion it reached was wrong.

Here's a version you can read for free. Don't take my or anyone else's word for it. Read it for yourself! https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/410/113

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« Reply #152 on: May 05, 2022, 06:45:40 PM »
so the only potential recourse would be to impeach a sitting Justice...i guess my question would be "is lying during your confirmation hearing an impeachable offense?"
I’d need to check the transcript, but assuming there is apparent perjury and Congress doesn’t look to impeach one of the new guys then we should just abolish confirmation hearings.

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« Reply #153 on: May 06, 2022, 07:06:52 PM »
lmao, I wonder why that is?


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« Reply #154 on: May 06, 2022, 09:05:04 PM »
Ol' Uncle Rukus ass

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« Reply #155 on: May 07, 2022, 09:56:29 PM »

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« Reply #156 on: May 08, 2022, 11:43:52 AM »
Ridiculous

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« Reply #157 on: May 08, 2022, 12:21:10 PM »
Protestants don’t read.
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« Reply #158 on: May 08, 2022, 06:50:54 PM »

nobody said changing tribes would be pretty.
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« Reply #159 on: May 08, 2022, 07:20:03 PM »
Matt Bruenig made a point that I don’t think has been appreciated much yet and that is the 6-3 majority is likely to be extremely durable now that strategic retirement is just completely baked in the cake for republicans as it would take like 3-4 straight presidential elections to guarantee getting a seat back for dems.
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« Reply #160 on: May 08, 2022, 07:36:11 PM »
i don't think people are actually that good at predicting either of when they'll no longer want to work or when they'll die.
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« Reply #161 on: May 08, 2022, 07:43:11 PM »
Matt Bruenig made a point that I don’t think has been appreciated much yet and that is the 6-3 majority is likely to be extremely durable now that strategic retirement is just completely baked in the cake for republicans as it would take like 3-4 straight presidential elections to guarantee getting a seat back for dems.

I don't think I've said this yet in my countless conversations I've had about this lately (I'm pissed), but if I know John Roberts (I do), and were I John Roberts (I'm not), I would announce my retirement during this session and allow Biden to break serve.

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« Reply #162 on: May 08, 2022, 08:33:26 PM »
Roberts is the only one who isn’t hyper partisan.


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« Reply #163 on: May 09, 2022, 12:16:04 AM »
i don't think people are actually that good at predicting either of when they'll no longer want to work or when they'll die.

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« Reply #164 on: May 09, 2022, 12:16:39 AM »
Roberts is the only one who isn’t hyper partisan.


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How exactly did you determine this?

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« Reply #165 on: May 09, 2022, 06:47:10 AM »
Yeah, in hindsight, pretty obvious that they were itching to do this.


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« Reply #166 on: May 09, 2022, 08:04:17 AM »
I would be scared shitless 24/7 to be on the Supreme Court. A bullet to the head is pretty cheap and there have to be people out there considering it.

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« Reply #167 on: May 09, 2022, 10:36:41 AM »
Yeah, in hindsight, pretty obvious that they were itching to do this.


comey and kav were all they needed to cert this thing.  I think the R v. W questions should have been a little more exhaustive

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« Reply #168 on: May 09, 2022, 03:27:48 PM »
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« Reply #169 on: May 13, 2022, 05:20:19 PM »
I consider myself pro life but I don’t believe in completely banning abortion.

If I were the philosopher king I’d probably make abortion legal up to a few weeks before viability. Then ban it starting around 20 weeks or so, allowing exceptions where the fetus is not viable or where the mother’s health is at serious risk by continuing the pregnancy. I’d probably make an exception to that last exception in cases where the baby is far enough along it could reasonably be “birthed” just as much as it could be terminated.

All of this stuff about abortion IMO always dances around to me the real issue I have with abortion, and really more people who advocate "prolife". I get all what I'm about to say (and by the way not really directed at you, just the idea of let's philosopher king thing makes me just want to say what I think is best and what we should really work towards) is going to be a lil long, and bit straw man and ad hoc to make it work, but I'll keep it as brief as I can.

IMO my biggest beef with anti-abortion/prolife people is they never either follow through on their philosophy or provide viable alternatives to the issue at hand that basically make the idea of abortion the solution, even if it's perceived as morally heinous. Those people tend to shut down any avenue of reprieve that makes you either want to have the kid, or because having the kid will put you in the poor house, you want to prevent it.

Comprehensive sex education? Not in my school. Free/reduced contraception and education on it? It'll turn kids into fornicators. Then shame them for when they're out of wedlock and have a kid in high school or whatever. The only solution to them is sex in marriage, and abstinence outside, and anything less you're an awful person (can you tell I went to a Catholic Church growing up at this point).

Then what about actually getting the child born. Maternity/Paternity leave? Nope, get back to work, provide for that child. Childcare? Nope, should've thought of that and make enough money! Education, ugh, this little crap is causing my property taxes to rise, let's gut the education system especially since it's going to turn that kid liberal. Healthcare? Better work! Ain't nothing for free!. On and on, there is no "prolife" from many of them, it's pro birth and take care of it on your own you heathen, don't bother me with it the second the poor kid is ushered into a world that celebrates it's completion of pregnancy and curses the burden it now apparently puts on society. The only real alternative is adoption, which is good, but often leaves that kid in foster care or in a very uncertain situation, and hardly the answer for an additional 600k births/year.

If pro-lifers really were pro-life, they should do everything they can to care of the kid after it's born, and teach their sons and daughters the importance and responsibility of being a parent, and give them every tool out there to keep it from happening until the mom was ready to actually have the kid, and when she did know that by having the kid she could get some goddamn paid time off, some childcare, and an education system that will help them thrive, and some damn healthcare to care for them when they're sick regardless of their employment status. We become a better society when we secure our basic needs, not make it crush us under the weight of indifference.

That's what I'd do as the philosopher king, abortion would be legal, but I'd do everything I could to make it be the last resort, and not the resort from narrow hallways and giant hoops to jump through, but because you are armed with the things to prevent it, and even if you do want it you'll have the means to do it. Pie in the sky? Of course, but ugh it bothers me so goddamn much. I guess in summary if there was a perfect solution it'd be to somehow codify the right for a woman to get pregnant when she wants to is all I'm really looking for, with the out she can still abort even if I think that's not the answer I want.

Which is also one last thing, I do feel so many pro-birthers think pro-choice people get off somehow on having abortions, which is such a misread of the situation, but it's also only how it's presented to them.

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