Post Covid Things

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Any projections for when there will be an in-person gE gathering in Manhattan? Would like to IRL meet gE'rs for some beers.

[chum1]

I've been doing some applying/interviewing for remote work over the past couple weeks. I feel like there is a greater number of remote opportunities now than there was in the past. I've also been directly told by the majority of recruiters I've talked to (4 or 5 out of 6) that they decided to make the position permanently remote over the past year.

I may never work in an office again.

[steve dave]

I've been doing some applying/interviewing for remote work over the past couple weeks. I feel like there is a greater number of remote opportunities now than there was in the past. I've also been directly told by the majority of recruiters I've talked to (4 or 5 out of 6) that they decided to make the position permanently remote over the past year.

I may never work in an office again.

we are closing regional offices for full time remote. North American HQ will be at about 40% in person. not sure what our international offices are doing but assume it's similar. we were already heading this direction (my employees and I have worked from home for the last 5'ish years) but Covid accelerated it by at least a decade. my industry is definitely one that WFH works for, obviously all industries won't.

[star seed 7]

My company just started offering work from home in January. I asked and they told me I live too close to the office.

 

[Phil Titola]

literally nobody on the planet has said or believes that....

They weren't thinking 60% return by a longshot. I think that's even low if we flash forward 7 years. Depends on the industry of course.

Anyways super smart Dimon and I are on the same page unsurprisingly.

[Phil Titola]

My company just started offering work from home in January. I asked and they told me I live too close to the office.

 

Lol this has been part of our quandry. Move further away!

[star seed 7]

They decided on a 25 mile min, I'm at like 16 miles or something. I would have to live south of 435 and frankly that's just not worth it to me.

[Phil Titola]

They decided on a 25 mile min, I'm at like 16 miles or something. I would have to live south of 435 and frankly that's just not worth it to me.

Yeah not worth that. New city time!

[8manpick]

Let’s be honest, distance from the office is a really stupid way to evaluate whether someone should be able to work from home.

[star seed 7]

Let’s be honest, distance from the office is a really stupid way to evaluate whether someone should be able to work from home.

Absolutely, and I very diplomatically let them know that. It's just the initial roll out, I'm hoping that requirement gets relaxed. Only like 3 of 20ish people were eligible.

[michigancat]

Let’s be honest, distance from the office is a really stupid way to evaluate whether someone should be able to work from home.

Yes. Facebook paying different salaries for remote employees depending on where they lived is also really stupid.

[Trim]

Any projections for when there will be an in-person gE gathering in Manhattan? Would like to IRL meet gE'rs for some beers.

FattyFest, September or October.

[steve dave]

Let’s be honest, distance from the office is a really stupid way to evaluate whether someone should be able to work from home.

Yes. Facebook paying different salaries for remote employees depending on where they lived is also really stupid.

We do this, I believe it’s pretty standard in most industries. NYC and SFO are only a 120% compa which seems really not worth living there. OMA is a 95% which infuriates me.


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[8manpick]

Let’s be honest, distance from the office is a really stupid way to evaluate whether someone should be able to work from home.

Yes. Facebook paying different salaries for remote employees depending on where they lived is also really stupid.

Why?  Location was part of the reason for increased salary. If you no longer need to live in an expensive place, it makes sense to adjust the salary down.

[yoga-like_abana]

My company just started offering work from home in January. I asked and they told me I live too close to the office.

 

Time to set up a domicile PO box in South Dakota

[Rage Against the McKee]

Let’s be honest, distance from the office is a really stupid way to evaluate whether someone should be able to work from home.

Yes. Facebook paying different salaries for remote employees depending on where they lived is also really stupid.

Why?  Location was part of the reason for increased salary. If you no longer need to live in an expensive place, it makes sense to adjust the salary down.

Nobody working from home needs to live in an expensive place. The job should pay what it pays and employees should choose where to live accordingly.

[8manpick]

Let’s be honest, distance from the office is a really stupid way to evaluate whether someone should be able to work from home.

Yes. Facebook paying different salaries for remote employees depending on where they lived is also really stupid.

Why?  Location was part of the reason for increased salary. If you no longer need to live in an expensive place, it makes sense to adjust the salary down.

Nobody working from home needs to live in an expensive place. The job should pay what it pays and employees should choose where to live accordingly.

Sure, but the previous pay benchmark was based on being present in SF.  If that is no longer the benchmark it will be reduced everywhere else.

[steve dave]

Let’s be honest, distance from the office is a really stupid way to evaluate whether someone should be able to work from home.

Yes. Facebook paying different salaries for remote employees depending on where they lived is also really stupid.

Why?  Location was part of the reason for increased salary. If you no longer need to live in an expensive place, it makes sense to adjust the salary down.

Nobody working from home needs to live in an expensive place. The job should pay what it pays and employees should choose where to live accordingly.

an employer will pay to market (or whatever percent above or below market) to obtain and keep the level of employee they need in the role. that may mean paying more to recruit and retain employees in NYC and less in OKC. this isn't a government program. and by having formal compa ratios by geography you avoid discrimination cases.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I get that not all employees work for the same salary and that a company is going to hire at the market rate. It's the whole idea of getting a paycut from the job you already have because you decide to pack up and move to OKC part that I don't understand. That seems more in line with a government program to me.

[8manpick]

I get that not all employees work for the same salary and that a company is going to hire at the market rate. It's the whole idea of getting a paycut from the job you already have because you decide to pack up and move to OKC part that I don't understand. That seems more in line with a government program to me.

It’s no longer really the same job!

[Stupid Fitz]

I've been doing some applying/interviewing for remote work over the past couple weeks. I feel like there is a greater number of remote opportunities now than there was in the past. I've also been directly told by the majority of recruiters I've talked to (4 or 5 out of 6) that they decided to make the position permanently remote over the past year.

I may never work in an office again.

we are closing regional offices for full time remote. North American HQ will be at about 40% in person. not sure what our international offices are doing but assume it's similar. we were already heading this direction (my employees and I have worked from home for the last 5'ish years) but Covid accelerated it by at least a decade. my industry is definitely one that WFH works for, obviously all industries won't.

We are still up in the air with our policy. We already had a day or 2 at home if you wanted. They keep saying we will have people back in the office, but still haven't decided what that means. I think they realize how stupid it is since we've been out a year and everything is fine and most people want to continue, but can't pull the trigger. I'm sure I'll have to go back in a day or two at some point and I'll be pissed about it. All of my team members are in other cities so I will just be going to an office to be on zoom meetings all day. Its dumb.

[Pete]

I get paid less than counterparts that work in Chicago, NYC, etc.   I don't know HOW much less, but I have been specifically told that this is the case.  I don't love that, but I also know that I am comparably more valuable as a lower cost provider of the same services.

[catastrophe]

Let’s be honest, distance from the office is a really stupid way to evaluate whether someone should be able to work from home.

Yes. Facebook paying different salaries for remote employees depending on where they lived is also really stupid.

This is a hilariously SF way of thinking.

Although I will say the salaries at my company are the same across all offices, which REALLY makes me feel for my NY and DC colleagues at times like this.

[Phil Titola]

4 days in the office this week. Only one. Feels good. DMX blasting on the floor!

[star seed 7]

I got like a 10% col bump when I moved from Topeka to the kc office