new election poll

[wetwillie]

But he’s broke

[CHONGS]

Trump is very different.

He was a shyster before his presidency. Still can't believe he made it through the primary.

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But he's no politician, the opposite of establishment, so if that's what you want...

[treysolid]

But he’s broke

he's in debt. it's different. by all outwardly appearances, he's wealthy.

[wetwillie]

Biden is loaded too....

[MakeItRain]

I’d normally vote 3rd party or Tom or whoever, especially in a safe state, but it’s too important this time to run up the score and try to reduce the chances of anything mumped up happening and get back to semi-normal. Tom and others can have my vote next time it’s two relative normals running.

Yeah, no shot I'm voting for Kamala in '24.

[cfbandyman]

He has about a 1 in 10 chance of winning. It wouldn't be that shocking to see it happen.

It's close to that, roll a d10 and tell yourself how confident you feel with the 1 showing up

https://twitter.com/lindsaycrouse/status/1317830418465460224?s=19

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Never was that off by 538. That looks like NYT's predicto

[cfbandyman]

That being said, I looked back at 538's 2016, and October 20th was Hillary's height, it went pretty much downhill after. That being said, she went from being about 7% lead to 3.6%. Biden is at 10.3% currently. It'll probably tighten, but we'll see by how much. 

[steve dave]

It’s not tightening right now. kinda running out of time for that. And Trump’s ramping up the enraged crazy person stuff, his campaign is broke, and so far Joe is bullet proof so I don’t know what that catalyst is going to be.


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[cfbandyman]

It’s not tightening right now. kinda running out of time for that. And Drumpf’s ramping up the enraged crazy person stuff, his campaign is broke, and so far Joe is bullet proof so I don’t know what that catalyst is going to be.


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Right, right now

I 100% agree overall. If it hold over the next 4-5 days, it's probably over. If it's in the same spot in 1 week, I feel like you could call it, nearly 40 mil have already voted. That being said, it was basically from this point on where the election tightened. Though that election happened 5 calendar days later (Nov 8th vs 3rd). I'm just saying, this isn't quite over yet.

[wetwillie]

Steve Dave is not a believer in the silent majority apparently

[bucket]

It’s not tightening right now. kinda running out of time for that. And Drumpf’s ramping up the enraged crazy person stuff, his campaign is broke, and so far Joe is bullet proof so I don’t know what that catalyst is going to be.


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Right, right now

I 100% agree overall. If it hold over the next 4-5 days, it's probably over. If it's in the same spot in 1 week, I feel like you could call it, nearly 40 mil have already voted. That being said, it was basically from this point on where the election tightened. Though that election happened 5 calendar days later (Nov 8th vs 3rd). I'm just saying, this isn't quite over yet.

Nate Silver expects it to tighten.

[Institutional Control]

Steve Dave is not a believer in the silent majority apparently

I’ve never met a Trump supporter that was very silent.


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[Spracne]

Steve Dave is not a believer in the silent majority apparently

I’ve never met a Trump supporter that was very silent.


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You should talk to michigancat. He can eagle eye them from miles away.

[chum1]

Hillary had a lead in the polls in 2016 and lost by a slim margin. Biden has a much bigger, much more stable lead in the polls in 2020. Pretty straightforward.

[wetwillie]

Hillary had a lead in the polls in 2016 and lost by a slim margin. Biden has a much bigger, much more stable lead in the polls in 2020. Pretty straightforward.

Yes I agree with you and Chingon that trump has a good chance of winning

[chum1]

Hillary had a lead in the polls in 2016 and lost by a slim margin. Biden has a much bigger, much more stable lead in the polls in 2020. Pretty straightforward.

Yes I agree with you and Chingon that trump has a good chance of winning

If Trump wins, his chance of winning today is close to 100%. Same for  Biden. Think about what type of cosmic event would have to occur in the next two weeks to change the outcome.

[catastrophe]

Yeah man, I'm not going to try to convince anyone to vote any way. However, not only am I a third party voter, but I'm a member of said third party. This is a real different beast though, it's really a crossroads in this country, there is a lot to lose. I do realize the stakes of this election means something different to everyone, but maybe even this is enough of a reason to change our course.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/7g0Jh4h5E1E[/youtube]

#ImWithMIR

Every other election I’ve railed against people who say voting third party is “throwing your vote away.” But this is a clear choice between reprimanding someone who has done immeasurable damage to this country or letting it slide.

Everyone who says they’d rather vote third party in this election is literally saying they are ok with what Trump has done and potentially will do.

[michigancat]

Steve Dave is not a believer in the silent majority apparently

I’ve never met a Trump supporter that was very silent.


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You should talk to michigancat. He can eagle eye them from miles away.

the easiest way is when I'm in my hometown where he got like 80% of the vote but goshdarnit they are such nice humble folks and just want people to be nice. by eliminating known dems there's like a 9 in 10 shot I'll be right! (that's like better than Biden's current odds FWIW)

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Biden is loaded too....

He is.  According to Hunter, the big guy got half of everything he made from Barisma and China.

[MakeItRain]

Steve Dave is not a believer in the silent majority apparently

I’ve never met a Trump supporter that was very silent.


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You should talk to michigancat. He can eagle eye them from miles away.

Stop crying.

Walks like a duck, etc., etc., etc.

[tdaver]

Yeah man, I'm not going to try to convince anyone to vote any way. However, not only am I a third party voter, but I'm a member of said third party. This is a real different beast though, it's really a crossroads in this country, there is a lot to lose. I do realize the stakes of this election means something different to everyone, but maybe even this is enough of a reason to change our course.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/7g0Jh4h5E1E[/youtube]

#ImWithMIR

Every other election I’ve railed against people who say voting third party is “throwing your vote away.” But this is a clear choice between reprimanding someone who has done immeasurable damage to this country or letting it slide.

Everyone who says they’d rather vote third party in this election is literally saying they are ok with what Trump has done and potentially will do.

What would you do if Gene Taylor said “Hey cat fans. I have to hire a new football coach.  Our only options are Ron Prince or Les Miles. Please send me your votes for one of those two.”?  I know what I’d do... start a campaign for someone else and then break a Bramlage sink in protest.

[wetwillie]

I’m voting for Ron Prince in that scenario

[Trim]

What would you do if Gene Taylor said “Hey cat fans. I have to hire a new football coach.  Our only options are Ron Prince or Les Miles. Please send me your votes for one of those two.”?  I know what I’d do... start a campaign for someone else and then break a Bramlage sink in protest.

That's a poor analogy.  If you want to stick with RP, it'd be that he as theoretically near the end of year 4 with the 4th year having gone ridiculously worse than the first shitty 3 to where KSU was at risk of somehow not even having football going forward if he kept at it, and the options were keep him or hire whoever was the most basic, old, safe out-of-work coach at the time.

And of course the choice would be to hire Coach Basic and at least end the crap show and reset normalcy for a more winning selection after a few years.

[Spracne]

Steve Dave is not a believer in the silent majority apparently

I’ve never met a Trump supporter that was very silent.


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You should talk to michigancat. He can eagle eye them from miles away.

Stop crying.

Walks like a duck, etc., etc., etc.

You have gravely insulted me, and I demand satisfaction.

[sys]

i agree with ipa and tdaver that voting in a non-competitive state is entirely expressive, and one need not weigh any of the considerations with which voters in competitive states are burdened or privileged.

in several previous elections i've voted for presidential candidates i did not actually wish to win, because i thought it best allowed me to express the direction i would prefer politics to shift.  i did that in 2016, and don't regret it.

in 2020, i voted for biden because the most important message i most wished to express is complete rejection of trump, trumpism, the lawless corruption, cruelty and incompetence that have characterized his presidency and the falsity of the incoherent and ignorant idea that both candidates and current iterations of both parties are in any way moral equivalents.