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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #175 on: December 30, 2020, 01:08:17 PM »
The world would be a much better place without Facebook and Twitter. It would be a shame to lose YouTube, though.

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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #176 on: December 30, 2020, 01:09:12 PM »
man a world effectively without social media sounds pretty sweet.  would take.

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I think it would be good if social media sites and any internet commenting outlet went away.  I think it's been bad for us.

What do you mean it’s been bad for us?
I mean I think twitter/fb has been bad for us, for humans.  i think it's been horrible for people's mental states and our politics. 

i'm not going to write a dissertation on it, and I know there are some genuinely good things it has done, but suffice to say, i think the world would be better off without twitter/fb.


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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #177 on: December 30, 2020, 01:21:55 PM »
I disagree strongly but to each their own
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« Reply #178 on: December 30, 2020, 02:29:30 PM »
There is actually some academics that have looked into this a bit and they agree that it is really bad for humans.  Check out Jonathan Haidt.  He has been on Rogan and Sam Harris and has a book out on it.  Depression, suicide, anxiety, etc have all skyrocketed with the invention of the iPhone.

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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #179 on: December 30, 2020, 02:47:58 PM »
Still think the net benefit outweighs the downsides but it’s certainly not all positive.  Twitter has given a voice to the people and the transparency it provides as crowd sourced news is amazing.
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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #180 on: December 30, 2020, 03:00:43 PM »
Still think the net benefit outweighs the downsides but it’s certainly not all positive.  Twitter has given a voice to the people and the transparency it provides as crowd sourced news is amazing.

It also gives people like Jaden McNeil a large following instead of being a social outcast.

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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #181 on: December 30, 2020, 04:27:02 PM »
Still think the net benefit outweighs the downsides but it’s certainly not all positive.  Twitter has given a voice to the people and the transparency it provides as crowd sourced news is amazing.

It also gives people like Jaden McNeil a large following instead of being a social outcast.
Yeah, and let's people who hate jaden stew and hate read and get really angry.  And it let's people who would otherwise be on the fence about becoming "radicalized" (for lack of a better term) be subject to his influence.  I don't think any of that is constructive.

I think we were better off when you had to go way out of your way to find really horrible stuff.

Like I said, there's a lot of good things social media has done (i.e. bring all of us together here!), but humanity hasn't ever had this phenomenon where everyone can read/watch everything happening everywhere.  Maybe it turns out to be a good thing, but in my view it's a thing our brains/emotions aren't really equipped to handle in a positive way, on the whole.


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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #182 on: December 30, 2020, 04:31:35 PM »
have any of you gone an extended period of time without a smart phone(after already having one)?

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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #183 on: December 30, 2020, 04:33:02 PM »
I've gone a week. Never really missed it.

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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #184 on: December 30, 2020, 04:44:00 PM »
I've gone a week. Never really missed it.
went a year without one.. became a pain in the ass after a while though. its almost now in order to keep in contact with people that you must have one.

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« Reply #185 on: December 30, 2020, 06:04:14 PM »
have any of you gone an extended period of time without a smart phone(after already having one)?

I gave up twitter for lent this year and honestly was good for me.  May give it up for 2021.

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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #186 on: December 30, 2020, 07:05:09 PM »
What kind of jobs do you guys have? That's a nonstarter for me. And don't get me wrong. I wish that weren't so.
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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #187 on: December 30, 2020, 07:25:30 PM »
I'm an engineer. I need it for work, but I don't need it when I go on vacation.

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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #188 on: December 30, 2020, 07:45:52 PM »
I don’t need social media for work but I do need a smart phone.


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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #189 on: December 30, 2020, 10:16:30 PM »
What kind of jobs do you guys have? That's a nonstarter for me. And don't get me wrong. I wish that weren't so.

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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #190 on: December 30, 2020, 10:22:50 PM »
What kind of jobs do you guys have? That's a nonstarter for me. And don't get me wrong. I wish that weren't so.

being on twitter or having a smart phone?

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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #191 on: December 30, 2020, 10:25:54 PM »
man a world effectively without social media sounds pretty sweet.  would take.

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I think it would be good if social media sites and any internet commenting outlet went away.  I think it's been bad for us.

My best friend isn't on social media, not a single account, not even facebook, and has never, ever, not even in college had one. He doesn't think social media should be gone, it's like a non entity for him. It's like me calling for a ban on Florentine Football, it means nothing to me so I don't care about it. If everyone who thought social media was toxic would just leave social media wouldn't that just solve the problem?

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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #192 on: December 30, 2020, 10:32:42 PM »
Still think the net benefit outweighs the downsides but it’s certainly not all positive.  Twitter has given a voice to the people and the transparency it provides as crowd sourced news is amazing.

It also gives people like Jaden McNeil a large following instead of being a social outcast.
Yeah, and let's people who hate jaden stew and hate read and get really angry.  And it let's people who would otherwise be on the fence about becoming "radicalized" (for lack of a better term) be subject to his influence.  I don't think any of that is constructive.

I think we were better off when you had to go way out of your way to find really horrible stuff.

Like I said, there's a lot of good things social media has done (i.e. bring all of us together here!), but humanity hasn't ever had this phenomenon where everyone can read/watch everything happening everywhere.  Maybe it turns out to be a good thing, but in my view it's a thing our brains/emotions aren't really equipped to handle in a positive way, on the whole.

So true.  I first had experience with twitter when I had gone back to Boston to see Royals @ Red Sox at Fenway with some bros.  It was the day after the marathon bombing and there was a twitter account that had a police scanner and reported the lock down and bomber pursuit in real time.  I was reading tweets from this account (outloud to my friends as we sheltered in place) about the MIT shooting/carjacking, pursuit into Watertown and the final standoff much, much faster than the news was reporting it.  I was blown away. 

After that, the experience to read while I watched sporting events or major world events via twitter was transformative.  I still follow Ari Fleischer who on the anniversary of 9/11 he real time tweets what he went through with Bush in Florida and beyond that day.  Quotes like "Mr. President, we are at war" while Bush is reading the goat book are amazing and a real benefit to those of us who care

And now, it is still great for those things.  Tweeting during a cats game is fun and you can vent and complain and cheer and lots of people you've never met are liking and sharing your feelings.

But, the dark side of it is real, it's lame and at it's worst very bad.

Would be fine giving it up.  but Dlew is nails, it is approaching a net negative for the general mental ramifications on a lot of its users. 

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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #193 on: December 30, 2020, 10:52:39 PM »
man a world effectively without social media sounds pretty sweet.  would take.

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I think it would be good if social media sites and any internet commenting outlet went away.  I think it's been bad for us.
If everyone who thought social media was toxic would just leave social media wouldn't that just solve the problem?
I don't think so because I think there are a number of different problems related to social media, and I don't think your proposed solution solves any of them. Even if everyone who thought social media was net bad left it, Qaren would still be going balls out #wwg1wga'ing, for example.


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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #194 on: December 30, 2020, 11:34:51 PM »
man a world effectively without social media sounds pretty sweet.  would take.

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I think it would be good if social media sites and any internet commenting outlet went away.  I think it's been bad for us.
If everyone who thought social media was toxic would just leave social media wouldn't that just solve the problem?
I don't think so because I think there are a number of different problems related to social media, and I don't think your proposed solution solves any of them. Even if everyone who thought social media was net bad left it, Qaren would still be going balls out #wwg1wga'ing, for example.

The existence of wackos and conspiracy theories have nothing to do with the internet or social media.  There have been some awful atrocities committed in the history of this planet that happened without the need of social media. Jim Jones was able to attract and kill people who believed in his crackpot theories without a computer or cell phone.

Are you guys actually being serious about this? You really think the bad of social media outweighs the good, like y'all think it's even close? If you think societies ills can be solved by getting rid of social media or if you think the world has been negatively affected by it, you either have no concept of what happened in the world before 2005, or you really do need to take a social media break, likely both. Because for every shitty interaction I've had or seen on social media, I have hundreds of laughing at a funny video, chatting with my buds about the cleat yeet, video chatting with my kids and their grandparents, seeing someone finding a kidney on Facebook, etc.

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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #195 on: December 31, 2020, 06:40:43 AM »
Keep social media. Ban cell phones

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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #196 on: December 31, 2020, 07:30:47 AM »
Yeah nobody said getting rid of social media would “cure society’s ills.”

I just think overall we were better off without it.


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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #197 on: December 31, 2020, 07:35:44 AM »
It’s too late anyway, we can ever go back. We will adapt to it over time like people did with other mediums that people thought would cause long term societal ills.
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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #198 on: December 31, 2020, 12:04:16 PM »
Trump thinks social media companies are mean to him so burn it all down is his answer. It’ll go away in a month.


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Re: Economics Of The Election
« Reply #199 on: December 31, 2020, 12:27:02 PM »
It’s too late anyway, we can ever go back. We will adapt to it over time like people did with other mediums that people thought would cause long term societal ills.

I think what we are seeing is how people have already adapted to it. President Trump, half the population refusing vaccines, everyone knowing at least a couple of Q people, etc. These things are not going away and will only get worse.