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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #75 on: July 23, 2020, 01:03:08 PM »
another big difference is that it's possible to teach virtually

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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #76 on: July 23, 2020, 01:10:08 PM »
It's possible for rich suburban districts. Poorer districts have a lot of students that don't have access to virtual learning.
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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #77 on: July 23, 2020, 01:13:47 PM »
Yeah I think the general populace would be well served to acknowledge that this is a tough problem with significant drawbacks associated with every available solution.  I don't feel too strongly about it one way or the other, and I get annoyed by those who think any solution is obviously the correct one.

100%. I am just tired of the one side who wants to keep kids at home generally not realizing that is not a viable solution to most people, and it also is generally from people who value education, but obv aren't thinking about how most people in this country actually work and live. And that teachers are being put in this horrible spot and they are some singular victim of this, as if grocery store clerks, food workers, sanitation, etc hasn't already been dealing with that sort of crap since day 1. Heck my office has been pushing for us to go back (and we have been back). No one is acting like we're some sacrificial lamb unto the alter of society (more like we can still do this from home, why are we going back? oh because you want to, I see).

On the flip side, it's rich seeing those who would rather Besty DeVoss this crap and act like they are doing a solid for students and "caring" about education, without recognizing/caring about the real dangers and concerns of faculty, staff, and well, it's not just kids who get sick too, they will carry it to others at home and to said faculty and staff. But those the breaks in this crazy fight. I feel for the parents first, kids next, then teachers, then everyone else involved in this.

I've been trying to sort that balance in my head (without a clear conclusion), is what we are asking for teachers to do higher risk than waiters, bartenders, other essential workers. I think it probably is, but I'm sure there are some areas that are worse (meatpacking or some other manufacturing that can't distance and involves a lot of people indoors).

I guess the difference is teachers have to be accredited and have more leverage as employees (not like it's job that can easily attract new employees quickly).

For sure, I'm usually always about balance, but i just have a hard time in my head finding that without significantly changing school or how we approach things like childcare, which I don't think will get resolved in a month.

FTR, I also don't overly "blame" the schools per se on not having a good approach to this, because there are a) a ton of considerations that have to be done and take time to iron out and b) you're basing those considerations of a whole slew of different scenarios based on potentially how bad this is/not is, and all of those are subject to national, state, local, regulations potentially and how the parents and teachers feel. I do think they should be able to figure out something though.
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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #78 on: July 23, 2020, 01:19:22 PM »
It's possible for rich suburban districts. Poorer districts have a lot of students that don't have access to virtual learning.
mhk has proposed having buses with wifi hot spots in neighborhoods for this purpose.. not sure its happening anymore but not an awful idea

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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #79 on: July 23, 2020, 01:40:02 PM »
Our grade school where lil sd will start second grade is doing full back to school with masks on a normal schedule. But, medical and other requested exemptions can be made and you can do concurrent virtual study. No idea what that entails but if it’s anything like what we had to do when we quit early it is awful (for the parent) and actually pretty good (for the student) but probably super super awful for the teacher (who has to somehow do both?).


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It's really interesting listening to all the sides of this (non MAGA people that is). I got my sister who is very like "I'll do whatever they tell me, home or in person" but she's also young so she's become apathetic about it. She really did not have a fun WFH experience with the kids, and hardly any did their assignments. For her it was a ton of work and no real reward. Next door neighbor wants them to go back, but only because she and her husband are back at work, and they have no real way to support the child care/teaching from home if it came down to it. She was fairly upset they were (and this was yesterday before today's vote happened) going to push back school, since the program her kids were in wasn't going to go that long, and now she was going to have to find a sitter for the few weeks until school started.

Then you got my mom who is older, of course and doesn't really want to work, but she also knows the position she has will most likely get cut if they don't go back, she works in the classroom with kids to help them catch up, can't do that well remotely.

The whole thing is a mess and IMO there is no good answer to balance the needs between teachers/staff, kids, and parents.

steve dave's the first person I've heard say remote learning was good for the kids. (of course he's a wfh pro)

my kids will be fine academically (because obviously they're smart and everyone else in the country is gonna be behind) but it sucks for them socially and w/ extracurriculars. we were willing to do in-person because we're all healthy and never around elderly people (aside from wife's work w/ PPE)


KCPS just bodyslammed the joco districts with their reopening plan.

I guess that’s where All that administrative overhead goes.

Olathe, blue valley and Shawnee mission decision makers are made up of very average to dogshit former teachers who raced to get out of the classroom and into admin.


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what did KCPS do?

I'm hearing a lot of schools pushing school back a couple weeks, is that just so they can get ready for the inevitable distance learning? Hopefully they aren't expecting another week will make the pandemic go away.

phased repopening after laborday.  everyone starting virtual.  highest needs students start first with pre k -3rd.

hosting trainings for parents/families on tech, in person and virtual.  they have partnerships to provide childcare for families during the day essential workers have priority.

they have 10000 hotspots to give to families for internet as well as providing 1-1 devices.

on and on and on.

The phases have community health benchmarks to hit before bringing more and more kids in.

It's really great and well planned.  They proposed it to their board last night.

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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #80 on: July 23, 2020, 08:30:37 PM »
Rural community. Half the county uses Hughes net crap. Can't stream classes there. So we're starting with regular classes for half the district. Not sure what will happen if they shut schools due to outbreak.

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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #81 on: July 23, 2020, 09:05:37 PM »
It's possible for rich suburban districts. Poorer districts have a lot of students that don't have access to virtual learning.

that's still absolutely possible there. just takes funding. you can't pack meat ( :fatty: ) from home or waitress from home no matter what the gov invests in it.

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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #82 on: July 23, 2020, 09:32:59 PM »
Kcmo has 10000 hotspots that they are giving out


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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #83 on: July 23, 2020, 09:40:24 PM »
Yeah, that's good
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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #84 on: July 24, 2020, 09:20:10 AM »
I'm in favor of opening schools with optional virtual but this is also a good take

https://twitter.com/ZackCz/status/1286128607795044353

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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #85 on: July 24, 2020, 09:31:43 AM »
I'm in favor of opening schools with optional virtual but this is also a good take

https://twitter.com/ZackCz/status/1286128607795044353

It was the same when the KS Supreme Court met to decide about churches back in April. It was like, "if you have to do it this way, the answer should be obvious" which thankfully the court unanimously agreed.
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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #87 on: July 24, 2020, 12:49:52 PM »
It's possible for rich suburban districts. Poorer districts have a lot of students that don't have access to virtual learning.
mhk has proposed having buses with wifi hot spots in neighborhoods for this purpose.. not sure its happening anymore but not an awful idea

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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #90 on: July 25, 2020, 02:29:52 PM »
We’re never getting out of this




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« Reply #91 on: July 25, 2020, 03:07:45 PM »
The best and brightest will have us vaccined out of this in no time


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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #94 on: July 30, 2020, 10:35:00 AM »
More data coming in I thought I'd share:

1) some districts just essentially eliminating a week or two of school from calendar and going forward
2) some districts extending school year on the back end and trimming some vacations (not a full week at Thanksgiving, which makes sense with lack of travel)
3) a number of KC schools starting online for a couple weeks
4) KSHAA said HS sports will start basically now, some rural districts basically had "voluntary" workouts and scrimmages with kids doing it on their own, most big districts have been shut down for awhile now and are going to ramp up quickly.
5) all beginning of year teacher trainings (new teacher on boarding, all hands meetings, trainings) will be online only, how this squares with mere weeks later fully reopening is hard to figure
6) masks required for middle school/HS students and teachers, not for kids (some students with special needs get exemptions as well)
7) online option for enrollment, but schools are making parents choose by this friday to get a sense for staffing, unclear if they are getting actual individualized instruction by a teacher or a canned online curriculum
8) some schools updating HVAC systems
9) block schedules, cohort groups and limited passing periods for secondary schools

Example:
9 week semester classes split in to 4 groupings
Morning Class A
8-10am
Afternoon Class B
10-12:30 (includes lunch)
Elective class
12:30-2
Study Hall/Extra Help
2-3

(I simplified it a bit)
Then you would get two new sections of students for the next 9 weeks, then rotate back through for the 2nd semester.

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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #95 on: July 30, 2020, 02:45:13 PM »
what is the plan for when someone tests positive?
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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #96 on: July 30, 2020, 05:48:31 PM »
what is the plan for when someone tests positive?
This is something that has not been made very clear!

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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #97 on: July 30, 2020, 06:08:54 PM »
Hazmat suits are surprisingly cheap on amazon.

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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #98 on: July 30, 2020, 06:09:40 PM »
what is the plan for when someone tests positive?
This is something that has not been made very clear!

seems like a big miss

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Re: COVID Classes (back-to-school related)
« Reply #99 on: July 30, 2020, 10:43:27 PM »
what is the plan for when someone tests positive?
This is something that has not been made very clear!

seems like a big miss

I would really like to know the answer